Poll Suggestion: Cliché Europe

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Every of these movies contains some scenes, that provide clichés.
Just think of the examples below and/or maybe other movies with similar
contents, you have seen. Please try to keep your vote as objective as
you can. The texts may contain spoilers. Please only reveal the secret
if you really want to.

So what of the clichés in the movies below is the most overused stereotype about europeans?


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Deutsche sind pünktlich.
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Hi, Dan. :)

Du hast meinen Tag gerettet. :D
You saved my day. ;)
Now i just need a movie, that contains that cliché.

I just Thought about "Run Lola Run", but this movie contents the opposite. ;)
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Hello, Breumaster.

A good list, but a few entries feel either a tiny bit forced (Dracula: Dead and Loving It is both a parody and a period piece: even if the first aspect is eliminated, at the time it depicts cliché was pretty much real; there are a few other deliberate parodies in the list) or underwritten ("Italians and love"?.. Um... I mean I haven't been to Italy but this movie seemes like an accurate representation of countryside, even if comedic). Also there is a typing error: "Scottisch" instead of "Scottish". 

That... And being from Eastern Europe (Ukraine) I have a few things to add. 
Red Heat (1988) (USSR was pretty much Russia without even cosmetic cultural or national differences between republics)
EuroTrip (2004) (EVERYTHING that you have mentioned regarding other movies; I mean wow - this movie is MADE of clichés and stereotypes)
Everything Is Illuminated (2005) (Ukraine is mostly countryside)
Hostel: Part II (2007) (Italy still looks like in the Giallo movies of the 70's)
The Fourth State (2012) (Kyiv and Moscow look pretty much identical, with exception of Red Square; this movie turns into unintentional comedy to many Post-Soviet people because it is fairly obvious they are trying to substitute Moscow with Kyiv)
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Thank you for showing up my typo, i'll correct it. :)

The russian regions are not my strengh to know. I gues russia could get a sepperate poll for it's stereotypes around the world. So i sepparated russia from Europe. I wanted to choose stereotypes from classic European Countrys, which i count the east europeans, too. Like Hungary, Bohemia, the czech republic and those states. When it comes to Ukraine, i would not count it to them. And on the other hand - i don't know any stereotypes about ukrainians. But maybee, i can plan a little time to watch the movies, you suggested. Anyway - thank you for taking part. :)

And about the dracula movie with Leslie Nielsen - i might delete that, but I want to wait one or two days. Maybe someone other has a better suggestion for that.
"Eurotrip" seems to be a good hint. I think, i saw that movie, but fastly forgot it. But i remember slightly, it dealed with europeans stereotypes. :)
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Well, when it comes to Ukraine, we actually do consider ourself a European country and so do many people. Especially since over different historical periods different parts of Ukraine were also parts of what you have called "classic European countries" - Poland, Austria etc. and it's hard to deny the influence.

Ukraine is also VERY different to Russia, despite latter country's citizens often having views that Ukraine is merely a part of their country. 

Glad to be of any help, anyhow. I hope I will be able to remember more interesting movies for the poll! 
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That's a heavy political decision, i can't handle. I accept, when citizens want to be europeans. Despite the other ancesters from my family, who all came from germany, my grandfather was a picture-painter from a former USSR-State. A more unknown one. He came from near Ukraine, but todays politic is not like 70 or 90 years ago. Major things changed. Today mostly  all things are digitized. Governments will be digital in future. Politic is not more a matter of simple things. Borders are harder than any time in history. That turns politic decisions to be more complicated than ever. And i don't know, how it will turn out for the Ukraine. But i hope there will be respect and wisdom in the poltical decisions. And the world knows, that Putin would like to connect Ukraine to USSR. So it's open, what will happen. I hope the best. But i didn't want to create a political poll, it's just about Clichés.
Nikolay, I hope you understand my motivs. It's more about social societys view.
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But this has nothing to do with politics, it's about geography, and Ukraine has always been a part of Europe geographically. That has never been a dispute even when it was part of the now-defunct USSR, and not even Putin would deny it.
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Ok, so i may studie movies with the Ukrainian clichés in it. Because i know not one. ;)
I made the fault many people would do. For Europe, i just thought of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, The Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, Czech Republik, Austria and Hungary. I see, I have to think over some points. I've never counted the Ukraine to Europe. Maybe because i was born in the 70's, when the Iron Curtain was a fact.
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Well, Soviet government partially succeeded at isolating both Soviet republics from Europe and Western world and vice versa. I'd say in some aspects we are still yet to recover and that is not doing us any favors... 
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I hope the digital revolution will lead to a better end for all humans. We're not so different like the wayfaring stereotypes tell us. But governments are a manifestation of peoples fears. The governments rather repress what the people fear than freeing, what the people hope for. That's the same in dictatorship as well as in democracy. Fears are more easy to calm, than giving hope a 'controlled' strengh for a better end. It's more easy to suffer from fear than to take strengh from hope. And the better persons are positioned in a system, the more fear can take part of them. After war the people in soviet gulags were torn down to the ground. They had no perspective and lived from hope. That's because they had no choice.
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I wanted to say ... Isolation is easier than to build a bridge. Sorry for that. ;)
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The idea is good, it has potential, but I'm not sure I understood your understanding of the world cliché.

For instance, Hooligans deals with Hooliganism so obviously it will feature booze, sport and violence, the movie doesn't intend to maintain a cliché, but it intends to deal with it and understand its roots, its reasons to be... and by the way, it's not even a cinematic cliché. How many famous movies tackled that subject?
A cliché about UK or England is the bad food or the bad weather (fog when it doesn't rain, rain when it doesn't fog)

Same with Braveheart, it's set in a time where most Scotsmen wore kilts so it's not a cliché, it's just historical accuracy. It's like saying that a movie set in prehistorical times feature men wearing fur and making animal noises, that wouldn't be a cliché, a cliché would be if any of these men were pulling a woman by the hair.

Ratatouille's theme is cooking and gastronomy, well this one can work because it seems that many movies established France as a place where food is no joke (or no junk) but when I think of clichés involving France, it's always Paris, the sound of the accordion, people at a café and speaking with Charles Boyer's accent and fashion: any dress with the ugliest assemblage of motifs and colors will be described as the 'last sensation in Paris'.

My advice is: don't make your clichés too specific by taking a movie as a starting point, you have to figure out the cliché and then ask yourself "how many movies features that clichés" so that you can go to the common denominator, for instance, the death trap thing in Hostel. You can just think of Taken, 25th Hour or some James Bond movies and name the cliché of the 'sinister crime-related East-European with a creepy accent'.

Spain and Italy are good (just some rewriting to be done) but please not the Leprechaun one for Ireland :)
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Braveheart is actually a good example. It is set in the 13th century, when kilts hadn't even been invented yet :)
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Totally agree about Green Street Hoolingans - a better example of football hooliganism as a cliché could be found in EuroTrip (2004)

albstein's point about Braveheart (1995) is accurate, rather brilliant and only one of this movie's rather hilarious goofs. :)
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@sdk ElMaruecan:
Thank you for the wide explanation. For example: I thought about "Dracula" with Leslie Nielsen, because that Cliché is used in many movies from the early time of movie-making with Bela Lugosi and "dance of the Vampires" from Polanski to nowerdays "Dracula untold". It's a Cliché, that stucks - and movies did their part to the Cliché. Maybe the title or the explanation  of the Poll isn't exact enough.
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Nikolay and Elmo make good points, and it should be noted that Wild Tales is from Argentina :)
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Hallo, Albstein. :)

Schön, daß Du da bist. :) Schade, was passiert ist. :( Deutsche Ironie. ...
I missed, that "Wild Tales" is from Argentina, thank you for showing me this point.
Maybe we all together can bring the Poll Suggestion to a better turn.
I try to understand even if my english has a lack of terms. ;)))
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Danke, Breumaster. Schön, dass du dich auch wieder an Polls versuchst :)
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Zweimal hatte ich bereits das Glück. Macht Freude. :)
Ich bin aber nicht böse, wenn es nichts wird, auch der Austausch ist
bereits erquickend und labend. ;D
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Ich habe "Wild Tales" jetzt rausgenommen, weil Du natürlich vollkommmen recht hast. ;)

I just deleted "Wild Tales" because Albstein remembered me, it's from Argentina. I will think of another movie tomorrow. But I'm pretty sure, i will remember a few examples from Spain. ;) Just gotta check the accuracy of my memories in future. ... A head full of movie memories. :D
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Ok, I'm tired from work. Maybe a few days later. ;)
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Breumaster: I don't think you need spoiler tags on the two cliches you have put them on. I've never seen Hostel or Green Street Hooligans, but I don't think that the alleged cliches you list for them give away anything significant from those movies for me that I wouldn't have suspected from the fact that one is a horror film and the other is about hooligan sport fans.
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Ok, "Hooligans" are a concept, so i will turn the spoiler-banner off. But i think specially in "Hostel", it's a major movie-turn, that nearly every east-european turns out to be a potential death-trap-contact. Sorry, if i did spoil you right now. ;)
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French people only eat fine meals and no fast food
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I skipped the list. This suggestion can be deleted.
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Breumaster,

Generally, we do not delete threads if there is a response.
I will archive this list after you had a chance to see this message and respond.
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Thank you, Dan.
The thread doesn't really have to be erased. When I wrote this, I had real bad linguistic proficiencies. And I didn't know about that handling about that on getsatisfaction. It's 9 month ago. Thank you for being so kind. I deleted the list and the mentioning of that should be enough. I wonder a little how it's come to come back to this now, 9 month later.
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Thank you for explaining. :D
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Maybe you have another try at it and make a new list. I was going to bump it when I saw it. I thought it was a good idea.
Cheers