Poll Suggestion: Face-Off: More Michael Moore

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Michael Moore is arguably one of the most well-known documentarians in America. He is known for creating hard-hitting documentaries that expose social injustices and corruption in America, and tackle controversial issues such as gun laws, terrorism, the health care system, Donald Trump, and capitalism. With his upcoming film, "Fahrenheit 11/9", set for release on September 21st of 2018, now is as good a time as ever to reflect back on his previous work. Of his three documentaries that received an average IMDB rating of 7.5 and above based on upwards of 70,000 votes, which one did you find the most interesting/shocking? Or, similarly, which film opened your eyes the most to things you weren't previously aware of?

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Never saw his stuff, 2 one sided. Rodger & Me ( saw in snipets, ads then) didnt doanything or solve anything.
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Absolutely agree. I saw Roger. I liked it. But his hate America stuff......Thumbs Down
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All his stuff is Anti USA etc, why bother, No solutions given
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I haven't seen Roger & Me. & I get what you mean, but the point with stuff like Sicko is for it to be one-sided. The people who decide on health care policies are the ones with the power to push their agendas in the media constantly in a one-sided way.  He's showing the other side of the story that the affected people often don't get the opportunity to tell so publicly, so there really isn't a point in mentioning the politician's side of things, because they can do that themselves
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I have my criticisms of Michael Moore, for sure; he uses too much pathos. He's very talented and I agree with most of his views but his overuse of pathos and underuse of logos render his films less effective, I think. I can't see how anyone could see him as even slightly anti-American, though. All of his movies are efforts to help change things to benefit more Americans. Whether one agrees with him or not, I can't fathom how he could be seen as anti-American. I don't agree with George Will on almost anything and I don't think what he advocates would be good for the States but I don't think he's anti-American. 
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I've seen several of Moore's "docs" including the infamous most popular three, but I've also seen two debunking, counterpoint documentaries made by other people who expose Moore's dishonesty:I wouldn't exactly denounce him as anti-USA. He just happens to be one of the many Americans who (1) does not believe in sacrificing United States military personnel to aide and abet foreign dictatorships, (2) does not believe in foreign outsourcing of Americans' jobs, (3) does believe, however, in having United States (federal) government resources being committed to "positive liberty" and "social safety nets" as in tax-funded public programs well beyond the concepts authorized in the United States Constitution. He is a Democrat, in other words, but a slightly atypical one. I only find the third of the three aforementioned positions disagreeable. There is also the big dispute about the extent of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. I'm not so sure about denouncing people as anti-American on account of their advocacy of gun control beyond what some of us would consider to be friendly to liberty and the security of free States, because often (not necessarily always) those people are genuinely concerned for the safety of innocents. Ice-T has schooled Moore on the subject:

In addition, I should not and perhaps do not have any qualms about bringing up the fact that many gun control advocates (perhaps Moore included) don't agree with the "Take the guns first, Go through due process second" approach/notion. Does that remark sound familiar? It should, because made by an influential state actor who seemingly wants to appear bigger and more grandiose than the National Rifle Association, in an "I'm not afraid of them" kind of way.
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i actually love michael moore's stuff and i liked all three of the documentaries listed...but...i'd probably vote for 'fahrenheit 9/11'...
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I think I would rather a random maniac discharge an "assault weapon" in the direction of my central nervous system at a crowded public place than choose among the "documentaries" (made by him) with an IMDb rating no lower than 7.5 and with no less than seventy thousand votes.

An example of much better material from the same author would be...

 

...which is perhaps "underrated".
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That is something of Mike's I like
It was soooo funny
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He is a master of speculative fiction.
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I'll speculate that there will never be a "Kennedy Center Honors" for Mikey
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Imma watch this tonight since I'm Canadian & it looks funny
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I would have suggested 'where to Invade Next' if there wasn't the 70,000 ratings rule. :)
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I tried watching that the other day, but I stopped after the second country (France) because he literally talked for 10-15 minutes about their glorious school lunches. I regret not skipping ahead to see what he said about my country.. but meh
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I think you got the point without noticing the point. It is a comedy. Its funny because on a comedic level its anything but. That's why it hilarious. I can't stand him. I actually liked Roger and Me. Still do. But he went from obnoxious, to Corporate America, to obnoxious to America. You can,t do the same thing over and over again. Take a hard look at what he does. It is the same thing every time except for the topic. Same formulatic stagnation.
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I get the point of it (as much as I can having only watched the first half hour). The intro and his Italy bit was promising, but then in France he sat at a lunch table with elementary school kids for 10 minutes talking about their food...then to wrap it up he showed the gourmet menu of kids at the poorest school in France, and then moved to another country. OK u could've made the point by ONLY showing how bomb the poor kid's food is, Michael Moore. I know from watching Sicko that new mothers in France get free nannies on demand and the country has a crapload of other awesome things, and the only thing u show me is a school lunch menu?? I would've given it more of a chance if I wasn't near the end of my second round of Scream Queens, but still wasn't impressed
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I'm just gonna put on all his movies and take away the 'face-off' since that's what everyone's going for. I just have a thing for face-offs guys
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Ah...
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T'is changed, but I put a minimum rating of 5 to exclude his docs that got ratings in the range of 2-4 and only a couple hundred votes
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This would have been a good face-off. The three most popular will dominate a regular poll, anyway, so a face-off would make it more competitive. Of all of his films, I'd say 'Roger & Me' is his best; of the ones in the face-off, I'd probably vote "Fahrenheit 9/11," although some of 'Bowling for Columbine' is great. I actually didn't see 'Sicko.'
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Sicko gets my vote. I haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11, and I enjoyed Bowling for Columbine & Sicko a great deal. However, I forget most of Bowling and quite a bit of Sicko still burns in my memory- probably because I knew a lot about school shootings beforehand, and since I'm American I knew nothing about their health care system.  I was shocked that when a guy lost 2 fingers he had to choose between them because one cost 10 grand to reattach and the other was like 50 (based on memory), and other stories of letting children die because they didn't have insurance. I'm sure stuff has changed since then, but either way this is the 21st century common people (not being Anti-American)
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Hi, groovyvic. Please bear in mind that Moore's work is not the most truthful material. He is kind of like a practitioner of the art of yellow journalism, and he is notorious for leaving out details.
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I'm trying to remember the number of celebrities (Moore among them) that said they would move out of the US "IF" a certain President was elected (Bush & Trump) but actually left? Is the number "0"? Moore should be living in Canada! He said he'd go!
Also is it me or does he look like Mr. Magoo?
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I only remember observing separate reports of Madonna and Samuel L. Jackson vowing to entertain such nonsense. They technically still have a chance to make good on their claims, since they didn't indicate how quickly they would get moving. We just assume that they desire to escape whatever environment their adversary intends to or would otherwise inadvertently create in the process of civil and military administration. They are being drama queens when they talk like that, trying to allude to for emigration of artists and scientists (Albert Einstein, for example) from Nazi Germany, or like Ayn Rand emigrating from the Soviet Union.
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Jeorj Euler I understand the reason these people were in a situation to not get care during an emergency in the first place was because they took the risk of not getting insurance. However, it's kind of a crappy position to be in if you can barely afford to feed your family and you'll go starving if you purchase medical insurance for something that might not even happen at all.  That's just kind of a crappy system regardless of the sob stories, since other wealthy countries have free/free-ish health care.  They also will find any excuse to crank up the price of your insurance, whether relevant to health risk or not.  I know he doesn't tell the whole truth and I don't know enough (i.e. anything) about the US health care system to critically evaluate his claims, but in any situation there isn't a logical way to explain why one finger is worth 48,000 more than the other (I looked it up), even if one was a bit more complicated to reattach. "The uninsured man who lost two fingers in an accident and was offered the choice of reattaching his ring finger for $12,000 or middle finger for $60,000. (He went for the cheaper option.) " Like what hahahah hope there have been some positive changes since the film came out.
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Bowling for Columbine.
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Bump since Sept 21st is less than a week away
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Since your list has more than five options, you should remove the "Face-Off" in the title.

Correction: 
Of his documentary films that received an average IMDb rating of at least 7.0, which one ...

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Bump.