Live Poll: Minority Report

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These days, on-screen representation of every group of persons is an ongoing point of controversy, arguments and dissatisfaction. Which of the following do you believe to be unfairly discriminated against, or denied rightful recognition in TV and cinema?

List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls022518944/

Poll: https://www.imdb.com/poll/fTBAiv9dZ3A/
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Ariel

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Posted 1 year ago

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Peter, Champion

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Interesting. I like the title!
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Stephen N Russell

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Christians, Asians, Africans, Hispanics, ALL by white Hollywood estd system.
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Hi and welcome to the poll board,

For your poll suggestion to be considered, you need to add a link in your list that leads back to this thread:

[link=https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/poll-suggestion-minority-report]Discuss here[/link]
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Thanks, Jessica. I'm still trying to understand out how the system works, so I appreciate the advice. I can't see an edit feature - should I re-submit the poll suggestion with said changes made? I've added the link to the list on IMDb, but I don't know how to change the text above on this page.
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Ariel,

May I suggest that you simply copy this entire text into your list, to make the link clickable:

[link=https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/poll-suggestion-minority-report]Discuss here[/link]

Once someone responds to your post here on GS, you can't edit it anymore. Only a user with admin rights can edit posts.

The link above is only necessary to have in your list, not here in this thread.
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Ah, excellent - I understand now, thanks again.
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It is not a question of people of different ethic and racial backgrounds getting onto the screen, it is the racial stereotyping being written into the roles that needs to go.
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Welcome Ariel. Great idea for a poll.

Here are some other groups you could add to your list:
Jewish people
Disabled people
Hispanics
Lower class groups ("poor white trash", untouchables, homeless, etc.)
Mentally disabled
Native groups (Native Americans, First Nations, Aborigines, Maori, etc.)
Albinos
Plus sized people
Atheists
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Thanks very much - the poll now reflects your input. Much appreciated. Poll-making isn't as hard as I thought it might be! 
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I think it's a real interessting poll that catches me at one time. Why not disabled or mentaly disabled? At Nazi-Germany there were so many disabled, who were killed by Euthanasia. I as a german should choose jews. Even just because what Germany all-in-all did to them. But I'm tried to pick the natives, that were treated even more bad than black people (in U.S.) and worldwide!
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Ok, so I picked the Natives.
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Hi Ariel and welcome to poll authoring. :)

'Good idea!

You include Africans and Asians but not people of African descent, such as African-Americans, and people of Asian descent. I strongly suggest including those groups, as well. 

Again, this is a good idea and you chose good images. You're well on your way once you copy and paste (into the description field of the list) what Jess suggested above. 
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Thank you for your suggestions - I've incorporated them into my poll! Nice to see there's still a community alive on IMDb after the apocalypse of the boards! Thanks again for your help. 
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I like the additions. Oh, the the title is great, if I didn't mention that. I really like this poll.

I do have one more suggestion: I think it's likely that #12 would win in a landslide. To make it more competitive and interesting for voters, you could change "Which of the following do you believe to be unfairly discriminated against, or denied rightful recognition in TV and cinema?" to "Which of the following do you believe to be most unfairly discriminated against, or denied rightful recognition in TV and cinema?"

('Very nicely written introduction, by the way.)

And I so agree with you that it's nice that there's still an IMDb community after "the apocalypse of the boards!" ...And you seem like a great addition to that community. :)
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Ariel,

Thank you for your poll suggestion and welcome to the IMDb Poll Board on Get Satisfaction. I vaguely remember seeing some of your posts on the now deprecated Disney and OuaT IMDb message boards.

You've done a great job in creating your first poll. I would like to second rubyfruit76's
comment that your introduction is well written and her suggestion to change:
"Which of the following do you believe to be unfairly discriminated against, or denied rightful recognition in TV and cinema?"
to
"Which of the following do you believe to be most unfairly discriminated against, or denied rightful recognition in TV and cinema?"

... and remove choice #12:
I agree with more than one of the above.

Based upon our experience with over 6,000 live polls, I strongly suspect choice #12 and #14 ...
Couldn't care less. What I want is clever stories, told using the characters relative to the story.

... will dominate the poll.
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Look guys, I was dead serious when I said “it is the stereotyping being written into the roles that has to go!” Why? Because the sad truth is the media (including literature, newspapers, and theater) and the entertainment industry has always been the maincreators, desemminators, and the opposite of racial, sexual and social stereotypes. What was the main purveyor the black stereotype into communities that had no African Americans in it? The minstrel shows, vaudeville, and printed media! What took over after these started to fade? Movies, television and radio! Look at how the yellow peril fear was created to prepair the USA to enter World War 2! And what was it that was used to debunk these stereotypes starting with the Jack Benny show, and movies and plays? The very same things that had created it! The sad part is that there is still quite few still existing. So I do think it is a viable option that it is not enough to have more people on of different ethnic back grounds on screen but to get rid of stereotypes written into the roles even more important. Even political correctness is a form of stereotyping.
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Jen you should not have said “Mentially ill” because I can use that as a point for my case about stereotyping. Remember that I just did a poll about your home is your prison. That poll included movies with physical disabilities (The Bone Collector - a wheelchair bound man - include “Ironsides” too and blindness in “Wait Until Dark”)) and a mental illness - angoraphobia. And I do know of films where the mentally sick are portrayed in a more positive light: “Spellbound”, “Rainman”, “Forrest Gump”, “Shutter Island”, and “One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest”. But remember homicidal maniacs are mentially sick too. Look at the over whelming number of films that present mentally sick people are murders and killers, especially serial killers.: (the one I just watched for my Ghost Ship poll) “The Phantom Ship, “The Ghost Ship” (the Captain is the serial killer of all who question his authority), “Wait Until Dark” (has an as-sociopath in it), “silence Of The Lambs”, “Psycho”, “Shadow Of A Doubt”, “Hannibal”, “The Strangers”, and “The Purge”. The list is endless and it dwarves the number of films showing people with mental illness as not being harmless or people with a problem.
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I was thinking more of TV than movies.
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I agree, of course, that stereotyping is a problem but so is representation: For example, women get less than one-third of speaking roles. 

And Abi, clearly there are not "a zillion" roles with Marlee Matlin and she's one actor; also she rarely gets big parts. The evidence is quantifiable so there's not much of a debate.

granger, you make a very good point here:  "The list ... dwarves the number of films showing people with mental illness as not being harmless or people with a problem." Indeed.
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 rubyfruit76

Regarding the physically disabled (be they deaf, blind, paraplegic, and so forth) do you think the numbers of such characters portrayed in cinema and /or television are disproportionate to the percentage of broader society that they make up? Or do you WANT to see a disproportionately high number of such characters, and if so, why?

Regarding mental illness, I can think of a number of excellent, multidimensional mentally disabled characters portrayed over the years, including Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man, Winona Ryder and Angelina Jolie in Girl, Interrupted, Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump, Bradley Cooper & Jennifer Lawrence in Silver Linings Playbook, Claire Danes in Homeland, Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind, and so on.

Yes, there are a lot of kitsch slasher films with villains portrayed as having some sort of Axis II Cluster B conditions, but that's one of those niche genres.

For the record, I myself have psych diagnoses, and I honestly do not feel that Hollywood's portrayal of people like myself is particularly problematic. Claire Danes' character in Homeland is a great example of someone like myself, excellent at what she does while struggling, with varying degrees of success, against a mental disability.
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Thanks to me not proof reading, and my clumsy grammar and the computer’s auto-correct program’s knack for automatically inserting words or correcting my misspellings with the wrong word, one of the sentences that I wrote came out humble. It was supposed to say, “The list is endless and it dwarves the number of films showing people with mental illness as not being harmful or people with a problem.”
I say it should be proportional to the population. However, I wouldn’t say slasher film are a ‘niche’ genre ether since there was a lot of films with psychotic killers well before those terms “Slasher films” and “Mad Slasher” were created for the film “Halloween” (1978) (and there is new Halloween film coming out this year). Another “Psychotic killer” films was “The Spiral Staircase” (1946) and has a woman heroine, Hellen, who has a mental illness of psychological muteness. Yeah, a film that has a mental illness in both killer and damsel in distress victim. (I still like Ethel Barrymore‘s performance as Mrs. Warren in that film.)
Also I could name a few films that treated mental illness as sometime to laugh at: “Harvey”, “Mr. Deeds Goes to Town”, and “Arsenic and Old Lace”.
Despite Alfred Hitchcock’s high number of films psychotic killers in them (“Rope”, “Shadow Of A Doubt”, “Strangers on the Train”, “Psycho”, and “Frenzy”), it seams like he was the only director to take mental illness seriously in his “Spellbound” and “Marnie”. It also shows in “Psycho” too at the end.
For film and tv series with blindness, an espisode Of “Mannix”, “Longstreet”, “See No Evil” (1971) *, “Deadpool”, “Deadpool 2”, both Daredevil movies, and “The Blues Brothers” (Ray Charles).
BTW: I was thinking about blindness lately when this came up. I was working on a poll about “Superhero dogs” in a private list. It was orginnally meant to be funny and have fun with but also have a few entries to give serious homage to dogs that are hero’s in real life society. I wanted to find a picture of Longstreet’s white German Shepherd seeing eye dog “Pax”** for medical service dogs and I couldn’t find one. I had to settle for an entry of PAW Patrol to represent all dogs in emergency rescue and medical service dogs. The poll suggestion goes public today. I had a pain in the ass time with Alan Scott/Green Lantern’s dog, Streak The Wonder Dog. There is no pictures of him or the dog on the IMDb and I had to settle for using a picture of the wrong green Lantern, Hal Jordan, and use the notes to talk about Streak and Alan Scott.

* There is more than one movie with that name and, yes, it is a psychotic killer/mad slasher film. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067727/...

** Pax is the first one I think of when it comes to seeing eye dogs in television or in movies.
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I'm not sure the "couldn't care less" option really helped the purpose of the poll... most IMDb or Internet users are generally against "forced diversity quotas" which they perceive as PC (or lobbying) matters. That said, some would fairly consider that a few minorities are objectively under-represented. Being against quotas isn't really incompatible with having an opinion on the subject but if you add a "couldn't care less" option, you just force their hand.
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Yeah, I basically was interested in finding out how many people were generally irritated by the ongoing PC in films, and how many actually lobbied for it. Do you have any alternatives to sugggest (I'm not sure if it's too late to edit the poll, now that it's up)?
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Well, your two subjects of interest are interesting but if you wanted to get to such a binary result (how many pro? how many against?) then you could have made it a Face-Off suggestion. I think it's too late because you can't remove an option... I think a majority of users are irritated by PC but that doesn't mean PC is always wrong.
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Yes, I think you're right about that majority. Looks like it's going to win by a lot! Thanks for the suggestion, in any case; sorry I couldn't use your advice. 
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Thank you for the "Couldn't Care Less" option, and I think the fact that it is leading by a landslide is telling.
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*Africans and people of African descent are overrepresented already, with over a century of frequent and notable depictions. (Not only blacks, everyone from the Egyptians, the Berbers, and the Carthaginians, to the Boers and the Hindu minorities.)
*I don't see much difference between Hispanics and the average European.Romance-language speakers with a primarily Christian culture. 
*Christians and Muslims are not minorities, they are the majority of the human population. And very proud about it. 
*Jews underrepresented? Not all.

The one group who I think keeps getting the shaft are Asians. All of them, not just East Asians. Rarely used in major roles, limited screen time, and omitted entirely in many productions.