Poll Suggestion: The Ultimate Cinematic Sequence

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Watching movies often is a matter of personal taste. But sometimes a real intense sequence in a movie has taken the breath of a wide audience. The IMDb Poll Board users are asked to find out what would have been the ultimate Sequence in a close to perfect - or simply perfect - movie.

So the rules are:
The movie should be rated by more than 50.000 (debateable) users.
The rating should be 8.0/10 or higher. (exact rating border debateable)
The sequence should be a very intense visualized sequence of image, sound and storytelling.
One user can only pick one sequence to suggest.
The user will be mentioned in the option ("Suggested by ...")
If someone has chosen exactly the option you would have suggested, agree and join the "Suggested by ..."-Line. But just on one option. Not two or more agrees.
The sequence should be exemplary for best cinematic entertainment in anyway.

The list is here:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls045846621/
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I want to add one rule:
No second or third option for one movie.
Each movie only one option in the list !
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Please don't forget to leave an IMDb-image-link for a good exemplary Image of the sequence and just a short line for the description like in the first two examples.
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20 hours, 24 clicks and no one took notice - really?
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In my experience, there is no point in inquiring about any lack of feedback or engagement around here, especially during or around holiday weekends. This poll suggestion seeks feedback yet also somehow sort of does the opposite of seeking feedback. Does that make sense? But maybe I see paradoxes where there are none.
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Thorin
Done. That's a good idea.

Jeorj Euler
I made an exact suggestion, where every user can put in exact 1 option, bound to rules. As I explained several times, I wanted diversity. Not 2 or 3 users doing all options they think should match for all the other people. It's an exact question, some did not understand at first sight. By doing it another way, the idea is not what it is meant to be. It's not a paradox. It's the attempt to bring diversity in a highly elitist movie question by asking not only three, maybe four people. In the best case there will be 35 people and when there are 20 at the end, it's fair enough.
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How many options do you want on the poll, Breumaster? Any number should be enough, right? Ten seems like a good number. Twenty is a good number too, but it may take time. There is no reason to believe a reconciliation would be reached right away.
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"That's for real movie nerds, freaks, professionals." Totally not an elitist remark, hm?
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On the subject movie it is. It may be normal for you to know so much about movies, but let me tell you: Germany (and maybe some other countries) are different from USA. When I tell someone how many movie I watch in a year, they ask me, if I've too much time. I've not more time than the others. I just use much time to do my hobby. My last kid is 19 y.o. So me and my wife have plenty of time to "waste" it on watching movies. For many people, we are freaks, even if the hobby filmwatching or moviewatching is accepted more and more in G. Others sit 6 hours on the river and do the fishing. No one would call that waisting time. That's ok by me.

For suggesting to the poll, the user should know the difference between low and high level entertainment. If one just watched 20 movies in his/her life, he/she might not know the difference. But there are thousands and thousands of people who are not in business, but like this form of art and have seen hundrets or thousands of movies. That's a good basis for judging if a sequence is elitist or not. Specially when they keep their orientation not only on critics. I often read or hear critics that write one from another. And some got their own head.

When you look at the examples that were mentioned and are on the list now, don't you think these sequences are elitist?
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I like this poll, but the problem is that I already got my answer: "The Godfather" the baptism sequence... I thought your rules were too restrictive, actually, it's not challenging enough... it's not a comment on the idea which is good... I wish I could think of something else but nothing can beat the climax of my all-time favorite movie.
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Done.
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This one feels more "intense"
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068646/mediaviewer/rm2730970624

It's a good thing to ask our favorite sequences but I feel like this poll could have a reasonable set of "objective" suggestions, I mean I couldn't imagine many classic sequences missing such as the Potemkin climax, the "News on March" from "Citizen Kane", the 'Singin' on the Rain' scene etc. etc. 
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I understand that. It's good, when many people suggest different high-climax-sequences. But the clue on everyone including myself can only suggest one of the options is, that anyone should clearly think of one! One, not two, not three. So it saves the whole thing from one person suggesting 10 options and dominating the ultimate-poll, which should be a choice of all of them who take part on it. So everybody has one voice to choose while making the poll. It's made by all who made it, not only by one person or one fraction. I want to have more diversity on this.
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I have put your image to the poll. It really is better. Thank you for suggesting. :D
I hope this will be a poll suggestion of many people.
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So please ELMo, no further suggestions, to not influence other users.
But - please still feel free to discuss. :)
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Too complicated perhaps.
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Yes, Jeorj.

That's for real movie nerds, freaks, professionals. But I realized, there really should be enough people here to find at least 20 options, isn't it ? It's no shame to take part, even if your option doesn't win. There are many different kinds of movie taste. I guess at the end there will be something other on top, not my sequence from 'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly', which I admire. I guess neither will be the docking sequence of 'Interstellar' on top at the end - But who knows ? Maybe one of it is ?

I guess most people will take the sequence from 'Godfather' or another big strike in movie history.
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My suggestion got such strict rules, because it really should be an ultimate sequence in movie history. When it comes to older movies (maybe before 1960), I might put down the 'more than 50.000 users rule'. That's debateable, if there are worthy opinion-suggestions.

This is not about winning or losing. It's about what most people mostly would take as "The Ultimate Movie Sequence" from them we users from pollboard have chosen before.
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Perhaps.
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A very broad topic- there's so many examples but one that has to be on the list is the final sequence in 2001: A Space Odyssey. I don't entirely know what it means, it's something about the rebirth of humanity, but one thing is for certain and that is it's absolutely breathtaking!  


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Thank you, James. :)
I've put your suggestion to the list.
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One of my favorite sequences is the Copacabana long take scene in Goodfellas which I call "Discoriving the Henry Hill's world". It's was a gem.


But since you are asking intensity, I opt for the amazing last performance in whiplash. That was intense https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2582802/...
If you find a better image, I'm totally fine.
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I've put it to the list. But it's debateable, if I should count that as a scene or a sequence. As the title says, it's about sequences. In my huble opinion it's both, because the two actors are getting out of the frame sometimes and the audience can watch other people in some seconds. But it still stays debateable.
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It's a long take. It's hard to say but if you don't think that fit you can remove it, it's perfectly acceptable. :)
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No, it's ok by me. But I don't know how this discussion will turn out. For now I see, that there is no will to name only 1 sequence for many guys. A few will take the rules and only name one as you did and e.g. Moviesmith did. The question is, if it is to  hard to follow the hard rules i sat up for this ... I should call it elite of the sequences. I let your suggestion stay on the list. I see it as a scene and a sequence in one. And for me it follows the rules. But I can't write for other users.
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I see your point and I understand perfectly. I think the position of their rules is very clear.
The reason I put here 2 options wasn't that I wanted you to put both. My favorite is the Goodfellas, but in the description of your gs you said that it needed to be "intense" and this long take is not intense at all. So I thought if it has to be intense, then I'll opt for Whiplash.

... but since you said Goodfellas is acceptable, then yes. This is what I want my suggestion to be.

The main idea of ​​this research is to each suggest only one sequence to be your representative. I do not see the confusion around this.

Thanks for add my option. ;)

P.S: correct the fourth image link to the profile user.
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Once Upon a Time in America (1984)

Dominic is shot by Bugsy and dies in Noodles' arms. "Noodles... I slip... ped."

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087843/mediaviewer/rm1449662720
 


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There was a brief side discussion in an older thread about the difference between "scene" and "sequence", as the terms pertain to motion pictures.
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Oh, yeah. I know. This time it's sequences.
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As I have seen this movie about 10 to 12 years ago, I don't have a proper memory of this sequence. I let the discussion decide, if it is a sequence or just a scene. Since then I count it as a sequence. Thank you for suggesting. :D
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This part is an important sequence of events in the movie. After Dominic has been shot, Noodles retaliates and stabs Bugsy with a switchblade several times before a policeman tries to stop him. Noodles, still in a fit of rage about Dominic, stabs the cop and is arrested. He is sentenced to 12 years. His friends turn out to see him delivered to the juvenile reformatory. This marks the end of part one and sets the tone for the remainder of the movie.
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Thank you, I remember now. Yes, this really is a sequence. That's the stuff I meant with this p.s. :D
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Adding Exception from rules:

Movies from earlier than 1970 - Ratings should reach 15.000 or more.

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We now got 5 (!) options. Thank you, guys.
I guess, we'll reach the 20. Maybe 35 ?
It's up to you guys. I count on you.
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An interesting idea Breu.

FYC: The scene in which Derek stomps the head of one of the thief on the curb (from American History X)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120586/...
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Hi, Ibrahim.
This time it's not about scenes, it's about whole sequences. Just the scene is to less. I count it as 'The home burglary with following self-justice', then it's a sequence.
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Done. Thank you for contributing. :D
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I'm taking the 50.000 user ratings rule down for movies that were made before 1970.
For 1970's and later it's still 50.000
For movies made earlier than 1970 it's ...
15.000 now.

Sorry, I forgot - I've set the rule earlier.
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I understand you wanted voters to make their decision easily by adding only popular films. But that makes poll board's job really hard. :D
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I have apocalypse now final sequence in mind. (Not till the end) It starts with the scene Kurtz  visiting Willard's cell and ends with death scene of Kurtz. This may not be my final choice though.

(BTW, my vote goes to baptism sequence in Godfather no matter what my suggestion is.)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078788/mediaviewer/rm4198414592

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I take this as agreement to the 'The Godfather'-scene. So you won't really put 'Apocalypse Now' into the race. Ok by me.
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Thank you for sugessting. I'll put it to the list, even though I think the movie is very unrealistic from the more modern point of view today. The acting and the first 2/3 part of the story is really good for the time, the movie was released. But film it today with the same writing and nowerdays actors, it will flop for sure - even if you would cast highly acclaimed actors. In the sixties it might be, that it catched the masses.
 With more knowlegde in the masses, it weakens strongly.
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If you think about it, 'The Sum of all Fears' is a close copy! A variation on the idea.
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And corrected the Suggestion of Ed_Jones (XLIX). ;D
Looks better now.
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And corrected the Suggestion of Ed_Jones (XLIX). ;D
Looks better now.
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I'd love to suggest one, but my scenes are from movies rated 6-7 or less.  :)
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Okay, I think I found one that qualifies.  Avengers: Infinity War Scene at the end where everyone disappears.  
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Hello, NIA.

Yes, that sequence fits the rules of the poll. Sorry for reacting so late. I had to work. Thank you for your patience. :D
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That's fine!  Thank you!  :)
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8.0 is a really high bar. My suggestion would be from a film with a 94 Metacritic score but it's not your average movie-goer's standard fare so its IMDb rating is 7.6, which is high, just lower than critics' assessment. Generally, for poll board suggestions, 7.0 is the standard. Sometimes I go lower but 7 is the norm. 

I could choose another scene from a movie that has an 8.0 ('Mystic River') but is a lesser movie than my first choice, in my opinion (and critics,' actually, as well) and the scene is great almost entirely because of the acting (Sean Penn), whereas my first choice fits your guidelines better because it has more elements that are operating on a high level. So is a 7.6 ok? 

I like this idea, by the way. : )
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P.S.:
ruby, I've put in some more black guys in the 'Cool Blokes in Favored Roles' list. What do you think about? Is that list black enough? We still have a little lee-way.
(I hope "lee-way" is the correct set phrase. I tried hard to get a correct translation for the german phrase "Spielraum" on google.) ;D
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LOL... I have no idea how to spell lee-way!  :D
Just looked it up... It's typed leeway, so no dash.  :)
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I just disagree that a high IMDb score is indicative of "cream of the cream." 'Bohemian Rhapsody,' for example, is a mediocre film but it's an intentional crowd pleaser that was also widely released so it has a high IMDb score. Critics, on the other hand, see a lot more films than the average non-critic: like any connoisseur, they've had creme brûlée so aren't that impressed with mass produced cookies from a box. The film I'm thinking of is my favorite film, has a 94 Metacritic score, but is too ahead of it's time, quite frankly, for mass audiences. That it has a 7.6 is actually surprising (I always expected it to be lower) but the median score is a good bit higher. It's weighted mean, however, is representative of the fact that most people who saw it (in its limited release) gave it 8s, 9s, and 10s, but the second most common scores were 3s and 4s. 

So I was choosing what I consider to be the best. You and I just probably disagree about what rating is most indicative of quality. IMDb scores are far superior markers than the Box Office, for certain, but critics from esteemed publications are, to me, higher markers, still. 

That said, I completely respect your inclusion criteria and will go with the sequence that is from a film that meets those guidelines, which is 'Mystic River:' The sequence is Sean Penn's performance when he gets past the police and close to the crime scene and realizes that his daughter is dead. It's more performance based than what would be my first choice and I could probably think of other sequences that are more complete than performance-dominated but still meet the inclusion criteria so I'll think on it. 
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Well creme brûlée gets an 2/10 from me. For caviar on egg I'm willing to give a 8/10  What you say leads the FYC-thing of targeting a x/10 to ad absurdum. Why should I put that rule to any poll suggestion, if it negates itself by the users who rate dumb? No, the more users rate a movie and the more they give a big voting the more the factor grows, that I would watch it. Why woud IMDb create a rating-system for dumb users that are not so clever like these highly acclaimed critics?

I don't give a pie on critics. If IMDb was invented earlier - maybe the 60's or 50's - I guess Alfred Hitchcock would have earned a few oscars before he died. But it's always the same. Many critics are not clever, they need a job. I don't need a critic to know if my steak is ok, I taste it myself. If a critic has the same taste like me, what was formerly proven by only a few critics in past times, I tend to try what he judges for good. If I formerly found that a critic had not the same taste, he has bad chances to get my ear. There might be 2 or three critics I would trust. If all people around tell me to watch a special (new) movie, I'm temped to watch it. That doesn't happen often.

The most movies that I try I've selected on different ways. Critics are only a very little part of it. For someone who is sure about his taste, there are many other factors for choosing a movie. IMDb's rating is also a little part, but not the first one for me. It's more like checkin' what some people think about it. If there are 200 votings, it's still poor luck. If there rated 20.000 people, the result is more meaningful.

At first I watch a trailer or at least I search for a trailer of the movie, when I got a recommendation from outside. If the trailer gets me - and after 4000+ movies it needs a little to get me. Most trailers of cheaper productions" tell the whole story". If it doesn't get me, I might skip it. When someone of friends or coleagues is hot about it, it might trigger me. That also depends on his former recommendations. My most ratings are 7/10. That comes from my own preliminary selection of the movies I try. It's not my intention to watch the most boring or awkward movies I can find. So I got a little practice to find my special cup of meat. If I feel that the images of a trailer look cheap, but the content seem interesting, the movie might have a chance by me. Sometimes I realize that I was wrong. Then the movie gets a bad rating by me.

Sure - If there is a "serious" drama which is rated 3/10 by 2000 people, I sure won't watch it. I don't have time for crap. A horror movie with a 5/10 can even be fun, if it's intended b*llshit like e.g. 'Piranha 3D' (2010). But with this suggestion I want to get the cream of the cream by giving as many as can different users a chance to present "their" highest cinematic pleasure. I understand your intention. You want to promote your cup of meat. But if I do it this way, soon there will be a big flood of second row movies like the also wonderful 'Stranger Than Fiction', which then stand next to 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly' or '2001' or 'Interstellar'.

The only way to suppress such a flood, which dangers my suggestion idea to be useless, I have to be hard. So 8.0/10 is a hard, but fair rule to also find a few hundred movies, other people might have seen. To enable older movies, which are not so popular, I allready lowered the score to 15.000 for movies made before 1970. If I don't get anymore options, then it is like it is. It doesn't have to be a poll, if the idea weakens. ;)

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