Poll Suggestion: Uchronic Movies

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Uchronia" is a literary genre that consists of narrating historical facts with some modifications or fictional ends far from reality. This genre has managed to reach the cinema through these movies. Which of these "uchronic movies" is your favorite?

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Joe,

This is an interesting concept for a poll. I was unfamiliar with the term uchronic until I saw your poll suggestion, but I've been familiar with the concept since alternate histories is a common science fiction trope.

If you are not already familiar with this website, you may find it interesting:
http://www.uchronia.net/

My initial vote:
Back to the Future Part II (1989)
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Thanks for the data Dan, for a long time I read novels and watched movies of this type without knowing that they had a genre with their own name.
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My "uchronic" favorite is 'V For Vendetta'
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I don't know what these movies are based on:

What is uchronic in V for Vendetta, X-Men: Days of Future Past and District 9? They are pure fiction.

I suggest to delete:

 How can The Last Temptation of Christ be different from ''Historical Facts'' since there are no facts?


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cinephile, I mean, I'm a Christian (technically Orthodox, but I don't consider myself a part of any particular denomination) and I can partially agree with that opinion: Bible definitely was written, re-written and edited too many times to consider it 100% factual. 
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The way I understand 'uchronic', it relates to stories that deliberately change accepted historical facts for narrative purposes. That doesn't really apply to the Bible, which is a vast collection of myths written by many different authors who weren't familiar with the kind of scientific approach we have nowadays.

'The Last Temptation of Christ' doesn't differ so much from historical facts as it differs from a myth. We know some facts of course as some places and people were definitely real, very probably including Jesus himself, but most of the Christ chronicle is either unprovable or so unlikely that we can call it made up. Anyway, my conclusion is the same, The Last Temptation of Christ doesn't fit.
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I don't consider myself a Christian, I agree with everything they say, the Bible may be one of the best uchronic examples in history and I hadn't taken it into account, I'm sorry. The Last Temptation of Christ was on the list because it is a different view of the story of Jesus that we know (the incorruptible servant of God) and that has been banned by the Vatican did not influence my decision, has been eliminated, thank you for correcting me in that.
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'How can The Last Temptation of Christ be different from ''Historical Facts'' since there are no facts?
Gonna give my two cents to this argument, since I love the topic of history. In fact, I've been a history enthusiast for most of my 31 years of life, so much so, that a lot of the people I know say I'm living in the past (which is true, I guess). So, unlike an average Joe, whose knowledge of history comes from films or skimmed-through Wikipedia articles, I'm that weird guy who enjoys reading all those big fat books, full of 'boring' details, citations and references that make reading a chore, rather than fun.

With that being said... do you have an idea how many commonly accepted historical events and persons are based on a single (!) contemporary writing, which itself is probably based on rumors that writer heard? A LOT! More than you think, in fact. Of course, historians have their on criteria of how they decide whether to trust an old writing, or not. But even then, there's no clear-cut line between factual and fictional, since some writings have a decent measure of facts and fiction. Of course, as times go by, some of those texts are labeled as unreliable, which in turn means that some persons and events are demoted from factual to fictional, while some are promoted to historically true, especially if a new archaeological evidence is found.

History (especially ancient history), as presented to us via school-books and films, is made to look as a clear timeline, based on facts. However, it's actually like a never-ending puzzle, pieced-by historians, which every new find can change. What we don't see in schoolbooks is exactly what we see in proper historical books (the ones I mentioned at the beginning) - the terms 'probably', 'most likely', 'presumably', etc, because very few things are considered a hard fact.

My point is - claiming that the Jesus Story (as we commonly know it) is certainly fictional because of the lack of hard facts is just as wrong as claiming that it's entirely true because the Bible says so.
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In fact, I have another short thought... during the years, I have seen a particular problem, when multiple historians are trying to uncover whether some event/person tied to some religion is historical or just a myth.
The problem being:
a) historian belonging to that religion which is being researched, would aim to prove said religion is true
b) historian who is a militant atheist would aim to prove said thing is false

The thing connecting them is that both will use pieces of their research to fit their own ends. But that shouldn't be, because when researching any past event, there's only one thing you need to aim towards - THE truth.
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'Really good idea, Joe! I'm a bit unsure about two films but they're movies about which I'm not remembering some things clearly. I'd probably vote 'Inglorious Basterds' or 'V' from this list. There must be others but I'm drawing a complete blank right now. Your list i a good one so far.  
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This is really bugging me that I can't think of any others, lol. 
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FYC: 
Tower of London (1939) (highly fictionalized horror version of King Richard III murdering his way to the throne aided by fictional executioner Mord)
The Mummy (1999)
Van Helsing (2004)
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Nikolay, Tower of London has been added, Why does the other 2 titles consider a "uchronia"?
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joe siegelVan Helsing (2004) has semi-real setting (although it might be considered too steampunk and vague to really be uchronic), so it's 50/50, but The Mummy (1999) should be eligible: it is set in 1926 with several mentions of real contemporary events supplied with a main plot that concenctrates on magic, but also has real history overtones, namely uses real pharaoh Seti I. 
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Thanks Nikolay, The Mummy has been added.
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FYC
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter (2012)
Forrest Gump (1994)
History of the World: Part I (1981)
Ben-Hur (1959)
JFK (1991)
Braveheart15. Braveheart (1995)
Pearl Harbor 49. Pearl Harbor (2001)
The Great Escape 88. The Great Escape (1963)
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Thanks Ed, I did not include Forrest Gump in the list because it does not convince me completely, this movie does not change the story we know, it only introduces a character in these events but there is no drastic change in the story that characterizes the "uchronia" on the other hand 'JFK', 'History of World Part I' and 'Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter' have been added.
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I do not understand why consider the rest of the movies you mentioned as "ucronía", however, I have only seen Braveheart and Pearl Harbor, on PH the only thing I remember are many historical inaccuracies and Braveheart I am probably forgetting something, unfortunately I have not seen Ben -Hur so I can't argue.
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Forrest Gump is a complete fictional person, The movie is just taking several shreds of historical facts to mix them up as a collage of Americas history, telled by Forrest.
I don't think it's really uchronic. It uses facts and puts them together loose. For me Forrest is a wildcard for every good American who wants to be a good person. He is lovely, I really like that character.
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I'm not sure if all of these fit, but FYC:

Adaptation
Angels in American
The Favourite
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
Bobby

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Ed and Rub, give me some time to review and add his suggestions
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Thanks Rub, your suggestions have been added except Angels in America since I think you are referring to the tv miniseries and this is an exclusive list of movies, if I'm wrong, correct me.
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The Last Temptation of Christ, District 9, Days of Future Past, all has been eliminated.
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Is this concept the same as 'alternative history' (or revisionist history) or is it different? I find it a bit confusing.
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It's quite confusing even for me, but I think they relate to each other.
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'Amadeus':
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086879/
(it's known to be historical uncorrect, even though it's a very good movie)

'Operation Overlord':
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4530422/

'Dead Snow':
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1278340/


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/

And 'Iron Sky'

'300':
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416449/

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Thanks Breu, all has been added