Problem with Howard Hughes (I) Page

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Some one has attached Hughes (nm0400652) as a misc crew credit as a presenter to all of his Movies and then some, on titles Produced by Batjac Productions (John Wayne) and others. There are approximately 24,000 misc crew entries for "presenter". This is such a vague reference that it in my opinion needs a review as a job description.
The 24 submissions  #190318-044556-394000
were made and declined for removal as "we were unable to accept your submission as we were unable to verify the information provided".

The information could not have been verified when it was added, let alone for my deletion submission!

Also it is in reality another way of saying Producer (presenter).
Speaking of Producer credits by the way, 2 are actual and the other 24 are uncredited. I would venture that they are questionable as well.



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Posted 7 months ago

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The films may have the credit "Howard Hughes presents" or "Presented by Howard Hughes".

Producers guide:
A note on "presented by": For films produced under the studio system, such credits often indicated the head of the studio and nothing more. They might, in some cases, be somewhat analogous to a modern Executive Producer credit, but should not be translated into such; they should be added to the miscellaneous crew section as "presenter".
https://help.imdb.com/article/contrib...
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This is how the 20th Century Fox started:
[opening titles in the original order]




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Reprint:
A note on "presented by": For films produced under the studio system, such credits often indicated the head of the studio and nothing more. They might, in some cases, be somewhat analogous to a modern Executive Producer credit, but should not be translated into such; they should be added to the miscellaneous crew section as "presenter".
Then he Qualifies how?
These are not in the studio system.
The other titles have an executive producer.
He is already credited as Producer (uncredited) on all the same titles!?!?
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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050562/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

Produced by 
Jules Furthman ... producer
Howard Hughes
... producer (uncredited)

Other crew 
Howard Hughes ... presenter
J.S. Nash
... project pilot (as Captain J.S. Nash)
Clarence A. Shoop
... assistant to producer (as Brig. Gen. Clarence A. Shoop)
Philip G. Cochran
... technical advisor (uncredited)
Evelyn Earle
... script supervisor (uncredited)
Paul Mantz
... pilot (uncredited)
Stan Margulies
... publicist (uncredited)
Dixie McCoy
... dialogue director (uncredited)
Sidney Zipser ... Technicolor technician (uncredited)



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Many duplicates of already accepted accreditation.


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Hi Ed,

It seems like the credits for Howard Hughes are eligible and correctly placed into the miscellaneous crew department if he is credited in this way on screen. The "presentor" moniker can indicate a different level of involvement in the production, depending on the case and individual in question. If other users have researched his work on those titles and concluded that he did complete the work of a producer on the title then the additional (uncredited) producer credit may well be valid on the title.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Will
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It just seems odd that he is credited twice for the same basic job.
And I can recall no Presenter in any movie billing.
"Presented by" Howard Hughes or
Howard Hughes "Presents".
Yes.


Seems that "policy" incorrectly reflects what is seen on screen.
Just a thought!
Cheers
and Thanks, Will
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Hi Ed,

If you can confirm from having watched the title that he wasn't credited under that moniker on screen then you can submit a delete against the credit and our data editors will be happy to take a look.

Regards,
Will
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And neither have I
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Repeating myself again
It was Will
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I was referring to your post which starts "When a title is listed in that fashion, which most titles were then in that era, the producer credit is now deleted??????"

They didn't say anywhere that the producer credits would be deleted.
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The post progressed if you read it all. Will, Michell, and I were beyond that point and on to other points.
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As mentioned previously, in circumstances where the original contributor is confident a person had active involvement when it comes to producing a title - it can be acceptable in those cases to provide an (uncredited) listing for that role.

However, if you are confident this role wasn't performed on the titles, please feel free to submit a deletion request with additional evidence supporting this and one of our editors can review this further for you.

Joel