PROBLEM WITH TERMS & CONTIONS!!

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Good morning/afternoon.

I complained about an extremely vile person, who had
caused several people to leave IMDb completely. After getting a PM from one saying she
couldn't take the bullying and stalking anymore and that she had to leave, I decided to complain. I have ZERO time for people who bully and belittle others and you can see them literally breaking them down, just to please themselves. It's NOT right!

I expected this person would retaliate by reporting me, even though I am not on her threads, but I am extremely frustrated at having the Terms & Conditions still up when I go to post.
As a member of 11 years, until I posted in "their" threads, I'd NEVER had a single report against me! However, since I joined that thread, I've had numerous. When I asked why they report everyone that disagrees with them, "because I can and I don't like you!" Now, what can you say/do to that?! So, I deleted the few messages I had on those threads, not many, put the person on ignore and have not been back since!!

I mostly just contribute data now, as people are just trouble and I have NO RECOURSE!
I've accumulated quite a few badges and lists and I do NOT want this person to interfere with any of this 'just because they can and they don't like me'! If you were to look at the 2 or 3 threads they've flooded (every post is at least a 1/4 of a page long and it is one after the other after the other), how much they bully every single person that disagrees with them, you'd be surprised they still have an IMDb account!! It's atrocious. Personally, I think the two/three of the worst threads should be entirely deleted, they're off-topic, serve no purpose, are full of ranting and raving, definitely breaching Terms & Conditions, and to be honest, they don't reflect well on IMDb. It's really that bad!

Links to three of the worst threads:

1. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1089991/board/nest/245802965?p=1
2. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1089991/board/nest/249722861?p=1
3. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1089991/board/nest/248831659?p=1

I'm no longer involved, but given I'm the one that reported them, they're not happy about it and, knowing them, they're probably laying low and 'innocent'. As for, 'I must have said something', no I didn't, I disagreed with them, but nothing that breached the terms and conditions. Could it be that my complaint is being looked into and so I get the Terms & Conditions message also?

Either way, I'm fed up with it all and I'm disappointed nice people have deleted their IMDb accounts because of one ring leader. Some people are more fragile and can't take the non-stop bullying and barrage of ranting from others.

I know you won't discuss what you do, but I would greatly appreciate it, if you could please look into this for me.

Thank you for your time.
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*BUMP*

May I ask why no-one has taken the time to read my post?

Thanks.
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IMDb historically does not address message board abuse or account status of user causing problems, on public forums, other than to suggest you use the report abuse function and put the person on ignore. Further, most replies here come from other users who cannot do anything about it so they use their time to help people correct credits, etc., which are activities more relevant to the site's purpose and mission...creating a searchable database of film facts.

Just curious...how would someone who has been reported know it was you who filed the report if you didn't say so?  The system is anonymous and he'd have no other way of knowing.

The warning you receive means someone has filed a report of abuse that has not been reviewed yet or you've been overusing or abusing the report system (though I am not certain of the second part-they'd be more likely to just permanently disable your report abuse privilege-which is done silently and cannot/will not be reversed). I'd encourage you, if you are reporting the person, to do it once, use ignore, then forget the person and move on.

If other users are so fragile they cannot stand to be on the boards, leaving is probably in their best interest. Otherwise they should also be using ignore and not worrying about it.  You cannot be "bullied" by someone you never see nor hear.

I'd also recommend you don't participate in a discussion by disagreeing with an abusive user, then reporting him. It can be difficult to see who is baiting/trolling whom and they might just zap both of you.  So ignore list can benefit you by removing the temptation to respond, which can get you the same account sanctions as the other person.

I understand your frustrations and concern for other users but really, do you want to spend even a minute of your time dealing with internet trolls?  I know I don't...(and can't imagine staff wants to either).

Good luck, though!
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I'd encourage you, if you are reporting the person, to do it once, use ignore, then forget the person and move on.
This is exactly what I did and they will remain on ignore for as long as I'm on IMDb!

do you want to spend even a minute of your time dealing with internet trolls?
No I don't want to deal with trolls, at all! That's why I ignored the person immediately and have not returned to post. I've had a warning up for two months now and I know there's no valid reason for it. I've gone 11 years without one warning and that counts for nothing, it seems.

I'd also recommend you don't participate in a discussion by disagreeing with an abusive user, then reporting him.
What purpose would that serve me? I reported them because the thread had become out of control, off topic and completely overrun by one very impolite person.

They knew it was me because once I reported them, I disappeared. Some weeks after writing to the IMDb staff, I checked to see if the thread was still there and the poster had said they knew I had reported them. I did not respond, and have not been back since.

If other users are so fragile they cannot stand to be on the boards, leaving is probably in their best interest.
I'm sorry, I know I've had a few nice discussions with you of late, but, in my opinion, I think that response is beneath you. Good people should not have to leave because IMDb allows others to breach the terms and conditions. I was just as shocked when I read your response to another member who'd said he'd dared to say something negative about the collective work of a deceased actor. You actually said he deserved to have his quota increased, and more! What happened to freedom of speech? Just because they're dead, does not mean our opinion of their work changes... correct?
 
Anyway, I'm just wasting everyone's time here. Dealing with repugnant people in ANY way on IMDb, has become nauseating and disadvantageous. It seems terms and conditions are just a fallacy. To be honest, I'm not sure why they even bother having them, if, at the end of the day, they're failing to enforce them.

I'll continue contributing data here, which I thoroughly enjoy, and I'll find another movie website, where I can discuss movies in a polite and appropriate manner.

Thanks 'bluesmanSF' for your response and have a pleasant day/evening, wherever you may be.
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No I don't want to deal with trolls, at all!
But, you're discussing it here/now...

I've gone 11 years without one warning and that counts for nothing, it seems.
Don't be offended by that message.  It means there's been a report of abuse...no action has been taken.  If you'd have done something wrong without knowing it's wrong, it'd be your warning to look into it.  The automated message doesn't think..."well...this is the first time in 11 years, lets skip the whole thing.:"  It's an automated function that will happen while a report is pending review.

Good people should not have to because IMDb allows others to breach the terms and conditions
They don't have to leave.  I've been trolled (or bullied is the new catch phrase) before and just put them on ignore and gone on and had a great time.  If someone gets so caught up in it that they have to battle it out, perhaps there's something much more fun they can be using their time for. If they've deleted their account and moved on, it's their choice and I hope they're doing what's best for them. 

I was just as shocked when I read your response to another member who'd said he'd dared to say something negative about the collective work of a deceased actor
When people gather on a board of someone recently deceased and they're mourning the person, it shows lack of class, common sense, ignorance of etiquette, etc., to go there to make jokes about the person or criticize the person. If you show up at a funeral and make jokes and say the person had no talent, you should expect to get kicked out (or punched out, for that matter).

There's a reason the site has a no-tolerance policy about such trolling and abuse (and a reason such posts get reported-staff only responds to reports of abuse so clearly that person had been reported, perhaps by many, many people).
What happened to freedom of speech?
Just because you can say something ignorant, inappropriate and lacking in common sense doesn't mean you should (not implying you would-I mean, like the person who made fun of a dead person and got his account actioned).

I don't know why people think they have "freedom of speech" but there is no such thing on IMDb or any other private business or property. IMDb has Terms and Conditions and rules of etiquette clearly stated and privilege to use the interactive areas of the site can be revoked at any time. You cannot say or do anything you want.  If you could, you'd have no reason to be complaining about others. You're saying an account should be actioned but you should be able to say or do whatever you like because you have some perceived right?  That makes absolutely no sense.

You cannot walk into a business and badmouth them without being thrown out.  You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You can't make jokes about "bombs" while boarding a plane. While you can criticize the US president's policies and/or promote other forms of government, in the US, you can't say he should be killed. There are many places you cannot curse or talk about explicit sexual subjects. You certainly cannot walk into someone's home and say anything you want. If they object, they can remove you or have you removed. Certainly, if you're an employee, you cannot say or do whatever you want while representing the business in any way (and in most cases now, even if you're on your own spare time).

There really is no such thing as having the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want to. I don't get why people say they have such a right.

I'll find another movie website, where I can discuss movies in a polite and appropriate manner.
There are many that, unlike IMDb's boards, are actively moderated.  IMDb has 10,000,000 message boards and 250,000,000 visitors monthly. They also have a small staff that mostly works on maintaining the main site.  Message boards are low priority and they can't be expected to, at this point, waste too much time following internet trolls around. Active moderation really shouldn't be expected.

They simply provide Terms and Conditions and ask us to follow them or else actions can occur and posts can be deleted. There not going to follow abusive posters around making sure they behave.

So if you're planning on spending a lot of time on forums, perhaps moderated ones would work better.

Even the terms and conditions warn of how the moderation takes place and says that if you don't agree with it,  you should stick to the core features of the site and perhaps take discussions elsewhere.

Anyway...good luck!  Sorry you've had problems.
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Oh, and it's middle of the night (California)! I don't sleep much at night...lot's of meds, lots of pain, long story...
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But, you're discussing it here/now...
Yes, I'm discussing it here, to ask people who've been here longer, or had more experience with them, so I can ask if they have any ideas. It's not like I'm talking about what they said, or who they are, etc.
What happened to freedom of speech?
...You're saying an account should be actioned but you should be able to say or do whatever you like because you have some perceived right?  That makes absolutely no sense.

You took that out of the context in which it was meant. I've been in business my entire life and if some-one said anything like that about a fellow employee/customer, after they died, I'd fire them before they had a chance to finish their sentence. So I know you can't just say anything you want, when you want. I was simply stating it, in the context of posting what you think about some-one's work, even if they're dead.
And NO, I am NOT saying an account should be actioned, but you should be able to say or do whatever you like. That's an absolutely ludicrous comment to make.
If you show up at a funeral and make jokes and say the person had no talent, you should expect to get kicked out (or punched out, for that matter).
Yep, I'm definitely going to do that! NOT!! I people are there making jokes, or taking stabs at their family etc, then I totally agree with you... they should be kicked out, for good! I've never known anyone to show up at a funeral and make jokes (they're absolutely mandatory at mine!). But, the funeral comparison is a false one. This isn't a funeral, is it? It's a discussion board. How long is the grieving time and how long would a poster have to wait, to like/dislike, a movie of the deceased actor?
There really is no such thing as having the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want to. I don't get why people say they have such a right.
I don't recall saying anyone could, or should. There is a time and place for everything. At home, I swear when I want, however, the second I step foot in my mother's home, without even having to think about it, I've just never sworn once, in all my years. I'm a joker, but again, I know there's a time and place for everything. We've raised 6 very successful children, who don't smoke, don't drink and don't do drugs. They occasionally swear in their own home, but they've been raised with values, so please don't imply I'm ignorant.
Oh, and it's middle of the night (California)! I don't sleep much at night...lot's of meds, lots of pain, long story...
I'm really sorry to hear you don't sleep and also suffer from pain. I'm a chronic insomniac, have been my entire life, just like my dad. I sleep no more than 2 in 24 hours, and apart from the pain, I never feel tired, though I look it. I also suffer from pain, chronic back pain, that absolutely no medication will help. I have a metal rod in my back, 11 knee surgeries, constant injections into my spinal joints and knee, and of course, the whole Cancer of the blood thing. Happy days! But I keep on smiling!

Well, it'll be early morning there now, so hope you all have a lovely day.
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