Ratings: Rate TV Shows By Season

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This conversation has been merged. Please reference the main conversation: Ratings: Show season ratings for TV series.

Since television shows can run for multiple seasons, a single "User Rating" for a TV show is not sufficient. Users should be able to rate each season (year), providing an indication not just for past years but current year, providing a powerful indicator of current popularity, acknowledging ongoing excellence or calling out weaknesses for a particular season. Overall aggregate for all seasons should be shown as well.
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I think this has come up before. I think what would be better if the season page pooled the ratings for the episodes in that season.
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had considered that but was trying to be sensitive to complexity and tracking requirements considering large number of episodes/seasons
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I really think this is a good idea. Think about all the conversations you have with friends about shows and how people talk about "oh season 3 was so good but season 4 sucked". In conversations with others, I've noticed that people either talk about:
  • their opinion of the show as a whole
  • their opinion of the show on a season by season basis
I have heard people talk about their favorite Seinfeld episode etc but I overhear opinions on seasons more than everything else.
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I completely agree with the need for Season Rating.
I don't know if the single episodes rating could provide the rating for one season.
I would prefer a single vote for a whole season as something more synthetic which could show easily diference between seasons.
Moreover, not many people use to vote for single episodes and a more flexible way to vote for each season could be a lot better.
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TV Series rating: implement a rating per season.

The whole series rating (shown) would either be
- the arithmetic mean of all the seasons ratings
- or the number of votes weighted mean of the seasons (i.e. of 2 seasons, if season 1 has twice the voters of S2, S1 weights twice as S2)

[my preference for the weighted mean, as usually later seasons keep only the less numerous biggest fans who rate high the season whatever it's actually worth - basically if you don't like S1, you're unlikely to purchase and watch S2...]

It would be fair as usually seasons are very unbalanced in terms of success / would-be-rating (See 24 S6 for instance, Breaking bad S5, etc...).

How to start?

Since rating is currently done globally, this is how I suggest the new series rating system initialization could be done: each Season would receive the same rating as the global one, i.e. a copy of all voters along with their vote associated to a given season. Then people will refine the ratings per seasons over time. (For instance, if IMDB works as I think: someone (say P) previously rated globally 9 a two-seasons series. In the new system, S1 and S2 get each a rate 9 from person P. Then P decides to re-rate S7 with a 7: the new rate 7 replaces the S2-9 gotten automatically)

The Series top page would show the arithmetic/weighted mean and would not allow to rate at this global level. However it would encourage people to vote for each season individually. (IMDB would show a table with all seasons and the rating for each one - allowing to rate a specific season).

I'm in IT development if you need more details...

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Rate TV-Series per Season.
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it would be vital to have ability to vote for seasons individually otherwise might as well maintain existing aggregate voting. it will of course take time to build up historical votes but being able to vote retroactively is not only desirable but essential
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This has been considered, but at this time we have no plans to derive an aggregate vote for a season or for an entire show based on the individual episode votes, sorry.

Users can vote on individual episodes and also vote on the series/show as a whole (by going to the main listing for the series and casting their vote there); we think the latter offers a better representation of user sentiment than mathematically deriving the rating from individual episodes' votes.
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The suggestion that started the thread wasn't about aggregates at all.
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Indeed - that was my fault.
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We don't have a way to rate seasons or derive a rating for seasons -- the problem here is that 'season' is an aggregate concept, but we have no single identifier that defines a 'season' as a single entity, so there's no easy way to allow actions such as rating to be performed on a season.
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The original suggestion didn't propose deriving the rating for a season from ratings of individual episodes. That would be tedious. We should, however, be able to rate individual seasons. For instance, now that season 3 of Homeland is complete, I wish there were a way to indicate that, while the first season may have been an 8/10, the third season is a 6/10 at best. That's a dramatic difference, and there should be a simple way to express that in the ratings. And what does "we have no single identifier that defines 'season' as a single entity" mean? Which episodes are included in a single season are pretty clear-cut. 
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I assume it means that season is set through the title of the episode and there is no specific field in the database for "season".
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Seasons should also be rated all together. Some TV Shows such as True Detective or Fargo have completely different stories each season and thus rating by season should be there. Also rating for season would give users a clear sign if a season was good or not.
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I'm puzzled you don't have a way to aggregate by season when the listings clearly give the user an option to list "seasons" (e.g. 1,2,3 etc) and therefore see episode listings within seasons. There must be a season field in the db, are you saying there is no current episode field? I do see episodes sometimes displayed as 1.1, 1,2 etc. It doesn't strike me as rocket science to amend and/or populate the db, am I missing something in your comment? Thanks for the prompt responses BTW. :-)
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I don't even think you'd need that - you could use some SQL to target the specific votes for that season and then just average them and display the result at the top of the season page. So it shouldn't require much effort. However, it seems like something that aren't going to do any time soon. Pity.
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Hmm--wonder if they are being sensitive to the studios who may not like the idea
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+1 for this
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+1 for this, recent examples of bad seasons are HIMYM and American horror story
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I agree that having the possibility to rank by season would be fantastic. As I read through the forum maybe it is better to rate by episodes or the show as a whole for statistical purposes, and if that is the case, I agree to go on using that system. However, why not having the rate by season only as a user information. I'd love to have the season rate displayed on the top once I click the season number. This way you can get a quick general idea whether the season you're about to start watching seems to be good or not. Thank you.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Rating Tv Series.

Hi,
wouldn't it make sense to rate each season of a TV Series and show the overall rating as an average of the season ratings.
That would help, because it often happens that a great series is becoming bad or an average series is becoming better and better. In that case you get an idea if you should continue with an average series (which should become better) or you should stop a series when it is already turning bad.
Cheers
Tarek
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season rating would be a great feature bcas every season differs somehow ...we have different opinions . there should be a system where individual episodes and season wise ratings should be matched with the output rating should be considered as TV shows whole some rating . current system i believe its like u dont like one episode(ex: you watch first episode of Breaking Bad or agent of shield you feel bored or uninterested ) and you dont give good ratings which wud have impact on total rating system ... 
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This is indeed one of the biggest missed feature in iMDB TV.
iMDB may have its reason for not having this feature but at least there can be a mechanism where the ratings of all the individual episodes are taken for that particular season and its arithmetic mean is shown as the seasons rating.

This does have a down side, which is not many users vote for individual episodes as they do for the entire season.

But maybe just maybe this might change the trend. The necessity of having a rating for each season and finding out that rating episodes is the only way might motivate us to rate the episodes as well. 
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I also agree that rating TV shows by season is a missing feature on IMDb -- so much so that I created a List that I named, TV Shows That Should Have Quit While Ahead  at http://www.imdb.com/list/ls010461552/  for this very reason. It's a very limited List, however, for a couple of reasons - 1) these were drawn from only the shows that I, personally, ranked, and 2) they were strictly dramas.<br><br><br>Here are examples of why season rankings would be smart: <br><br>Shows that were top ranked like Sons of Anarchy, Orphan Black, Hannibal and Boardwalk Empire began to deteriorate in quality in their last seasons, severely degrading my initially high rankings so that a show like SoA ended up with a rating of 7 or 8, when it started out at a 10 and held that rank until its abysmal final season.<br><br><br>Meanwhile, Homeland and True Detective, which started out at the top of my list, faltered -- Homeland actually faltered for two whole seasons after Damien Lewis left and only God (and some network execs) know how it managed to get renewed. But, lo and behold, suddenly last season it found its feet again.<br><br><br>The second season of True Detective faltered for nearly a half a season before it stepped out of the shadow of the first season.<br><br><br>In a perfect world, all shows would know when to bow out gracefully, like Breaking Bad did while it was still at the top of its game. But alas, too many end up being milked to their last gasps by greed so that their initial  greatness is forgotten.

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I would like to be able to rate a TV show by season. This gives me an easy way to see which seasons of a show I have watched. Frankly, I'm never going to rate individual episodes as it is too onerous. Today I rate a show in its entirety, the downside is when I look up a favourite show I can't always tell whether I've seen the latest season or not.
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it's crazy that a website like imdb does not have this feature. think of shows like true detective, with a great first season and awful second and third ones. Or agents of shield with a painfully bad first season and a decent second. They all still have the same raing they had at first.

And please dont say it's not easy to implement this. You're IMDB, yuo're Amazon!! You just sound lazy and with a terrible team of developer...
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I completely agree with this, obviously. All I want to say is something I wanna point out. IMDb only lets you rate and write reviews on the series as a whole, while Rotten Tomatoes only lets you rate and write reviews for seasons! I find that to be very funny.
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Ok, my main issue is - and I haven't seen anyone mention this - ANY new tv series, for example, Westworld - so far only one episode has aired, yet the series already has a 9.4 rating!! Yes, this rating is likely to change over time I suppose, but the fact that users are able to rate a WHOLE TV series after just one episode is absurd. And totally not an accurate reflection. At least let the first season finish before letting the votes commence?! This disappoints me and annoys me. How can you rate a series over one episode? You can't. imdb, you seriously need to look at this. It's unfair.
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4 years thinking about enable this option? really?

There are many good reasons posted by people, but the most important: customer wants a better imdb and you don't listen us
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Seriously, IMDB! Many of your users have been wanting this for a long, LONG time
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4 later in 2017 and IMDB is still outdated as ever. If I can't rate individual seasons I'm rating it at its worst season. How do you like that for your accurate metrics?
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I also would like to rate series per individual season. For example, i only watch 1 season of some series and then "i know enough". Like, i don't want to or need to watch anymore.
But it seems fair to rate only that season, and not the entire show for only watching one season.
And don't get me started about rating individual episodes. Who does that? Not me anyway.
My two cents! :-)
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I'd like to share my thoughts on the subject here. It turned out to be a long one, sorry about that.

The rating system for series is quite a complicated matter. There are series where cast, crew, authors, writers change almost completely between seasons (like Fargo or True Detective). There are series where even each episode is a separate story with different cast (like Black Mirror). And there're series where the narrative, scenario is the same for whole show and splitting into seasons is just nominal, traditional thing (nothing comes to mind right now but I'm sure there are some). First ones seem to be best rated by season, second ones — by episode, and third ones — as a whole.
It's a matter of perception which series are which and which are the most numerous but the thing is IMDB needs some system which will give everyone, every user what they want — highest-rated series, highest rated seasons or highest-rated episodes.

Though wait a second. The important thing here is that IMDb doesn't need to give every user what they want — it just needs to give most users what they want. I mean there is a rating system already and it works and there are only twenty-something replies in that thread so is it really worth it?

Well, let's take a look at what we have now.
Separate episode ratings seem to be more dead than alive: even some Game of Thrones (more than a billion votes) episodes have less than miserable 20k votes, some Friends (more than 500k votes) episodes have less than 2k votes. That means that less than 2% of users, who voted for whole show, voted for individual episodes which obviously isn't representative enough. And no wonder: there are more than 200 Friends' episodes so it will take some time to click through all of them.
That basically leaves us with only one rating for whole show — and it obviously is not sufficient enough too (for reasons stated above eg different cast, writers, story). So that means that current IMDb ratings are actually not very reliable and representative.
How bad is that?
Not too bad. There're almost no competitors for IMDb out there. There are Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic but they are mostly focused on critic, not user ratings. Do they have something IMDb doesn't? Yes, they do — they have individual critic ratings for seasons. Is that important? Well, I do look for them at Metacritic so that has some effect on IMDb but as to how big it is... I doubt it's a huge one.

Overall current rating system for tv series is not perfect and can be made better but the competition is weak so economic reasons for updating it aren't obvious.

Nevertheless, I think it's important to express some ideas so here's my IMHO:
— we need individual pages for each particular seasons with plot, cast, production details, etc.,
— we need a feature to rate individual seasons,
— we then can have two separate top 250 lists: for whole series and for individual seasons,
IMDb ratings for seasons should be calculated as a function of user season ratings and user ratings of episodes (and maybe the user whole series ratings too as some kind of stabilizing factor),
IMDb ratings for whole series should be calculated as a function of user whole series ratings, user season ratings and user rating of episodes.
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Like many users, I think that the possibility of rating a series for each of its season is essential (in addition of being able to rate the series as a whole and for each episode, for those who want it). As many have said before, it's rare that the first season of a series and its latest have the same quality (think "Ally McBeal" or "Desperate Housewives"...), so to give a rating as a whole doesn't make much sense. But since IMDb doesn't seem to care about it, I'm gonna use Rotten Tomatoes for series...

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