Actually this is more of a question than a problem but I really want to know what to do.
Mission Mangal, the upcoming Indian film, is a drama but someone added the sci-fi genre. Then, later I found it was gone [honestly, I have nothing to do with this], and now it's back.
I don't think it qualifies for the sci-fi genre.
Because sci-fi means science FICTION. Unless the film is a work of fiction, I don't think we should mention it that way. Although it's true that this film deals with the Mars orbiter mission, i.e, space, which is a common sci-fi trope, but didn't even First Man do that?
First Man also dealt with space but wasn't classified a sci-fi.
I think historical drama should be a better way of classifying Mission Mangal. It doesn't matter how old the event was, at least it did happen and is now a part of the past. It qualifies more for the history genre [if character names are not changed] than sci-fi.
What do you editors think?
Mission Mangal, the upcoming Indian film, is a drama but someone added the sci-fi genre. Then, later I found it was gone [honestly, I have nothing to do with this], and now it's back.
I don't think it qualifies for the sci-fi genre.
Because sci-fi means science FICTION. Unless the film is a work of fiction, I don't think we should mention it that way. Although it's true that this film deals with the Mars orbiter mission, i.e, space, which is a common sci-fi trope, but didn't even First Man do that?
First Man also dealt with space but wasn't classified a sci-fi.
I think historical drama should be a better way of classifying Mission Mangal. It doesn't matter how old the event was, at least it did happen and is now a part of the past. It qualifies more for the history genre [if character names are not changed] than sci-fi.
What do you editors think?
Posted 11 months ago
Michelle, Official Rep
Michelle. If it turns out that the inclusion, removal, and reinclusion is the work of Harshad, he needs to be permanently blocked from IMDb. There were several postings that Will handled here is a screenshot of the last.
Mr. Chopda's attitude towards staff needs addressing also. His removal from Get Satisfaction is warranted.
"Based on true events"
The ISRO is a real entity. The Mars Orbiter Mission is real.
This would be like calling the "Zapruder Film" a work of fiction.
Mr. Chopda's attitude towards staff needs addressing also. His removal from Get Satisfaction is warranted.
"Based on true events"
The ISRO is a real entity. The Mars Orbiter Mission is real.
This would be like calling the "Zapruder Film" a work of fiction.
Harshad Chopda had some interesting ideas regarding the genre classification of The Dark Knight trilogy, but in the case of Mission Mangal, he is certainly incorrect as far as all available information about a new movie suggests. IMDb considers the science fiction designation to be subjective but not to the degree as some may think. A work has to fit the definition at least to be branded in a particular genre.
Oh, and Manish, it is Historical. Yes. But they are still making it. (History) They just made a movie about how this ongoing project started.
That's another thing. My main thing is with sci-fi.
I think my first Man example has helped a bit here.
Also, I did a cross-check myself by clicking on the keyword "based on true events".
Although this a minor one, I am telling you Mission Mangal is the only feature film in the "sci-fi" category that is based on true events.
I think this issue is not going to end with just this one film as long as there are edit wars, as you mentioned above.
Thanks to everyone for a quick response, though. I'm glad you all helped, but the issue's not yet resolved. I think we need to give some more time.
I think my first Man example has helped a bit here.
Also, I did a cross-check myself by clicking on the keyword "based on true events".
Although this a minor one, I am telling you Mission Mangal is the only feature film in the "sci-fi" category that is based on true events.
I think this issue is not going to end with just this one film as long as there are edit wars, as you mentioned above.
Thanks to everyone for a quick response, though. I'm glad you all helped, but the issue's not yet resolved. I think we need to give some more time.
Manish. It will never be categorized as sci-fi. Drama Historical and has parts of a Documentary. But Science Fiction it can never be. The reason is that none of the science is fictitious. It's science is fact. To be sci-fi, the science must be fake. Or dreamed.
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You wanna coin a new phrase. Here it is. Science Faction (Sci-Fa)
I strongly agree with you Ed! And no, I don't want to coin a new term! There's no need for it. Whatever isn't fiction is science already. Fiction just twists and is mostly about what doesn't happen in reality. I just meant to say that edit warring is the reason why the genre is still showing up on the site. We need to stop that.
First Man reference????????????? Why? It's NOT Sci Fi either.
Neither is Apollo 13
Neither is Apollo 13
By saying it "is the only feature film in the "sci-fi" category that is based on true events." I didn't mean to say I think it's a sci-fi. I was only telling the facts to in turn strengthen the fact that it's not a sci-fi. Because if real life movies can be sci-fi, why is this the only film to be listed with that keyword?
I think I wasn't clear while typing that, mate. Hope it's clear now.
I think I wasn't clear while typing that, mate. Hope it's clear now.
I think I am being misunderstood. By saying First Man is not sci-fi, I am trying to say that Mission Mangal too should be listed as a sci-fi. First Man reference is only a reminder for those who think MM should be listed as sci-fi.
Please get it, I'm not in favor of the film being listed as sci-fi. Please.
Please get it, I'm not in favor of the film being listed as sci-fi. Please.
Oh I typed it wrong again. I meant to say that MM too isn't a sci-fi just like First Man isn't even though both films deal with space.
Come on Ed! Respond, please. I want to know you've understood I'm on your side. It's just my typing that made you think I'm not. Sorry for the errors.
It has been suggested by a friend of mine that I not push an Issue beyond a certain point. My point was made. So I stopped. Now your upset I stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man oh man I can't do anything right!
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Man oh man I can't do anything right!
:):)
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I just wanted you to confirm if you understood what my intentions are. By the above replies to my own reply, I think you felt I'm against your opinion. Because you were telling me things I was already aware of. Man, the very point of starting this section was to oppose the inclusion of sci-fi genre!
If you don't want to reply, that's your problem. But if I'm misunderstood or I feel like I've been misunderstood, won't I want to be assured I'm not?
This wasn't about the discussion but a human clarification, that's all, mate. I get it, maybe I'm still not clear to you and you might not reply, but get it that I'm totally with you on the discussion. My typing errors won't trouble anyone again in future.
If you don't want to reply, that's your problem. But if I'm misunderstood or I feel like I've been misunderstood, won't I want to be assured I'm not?
This wasn't about the discussion but a human clarification, that's all, mate. I get it, maybe I'm still not clear to you and you might not reply, but get it that I'm totally with you on the discussion. My typing errors won't trouble anyone again in future.
It was hard to tell
I also assume you meant Blocked not Locked also.
It's tough to comprehend what you mean when you make typing mistakes.
Cheers
:):)
I also assume you meant Blocked not Locked also.
It's tough to comprehend what you mean when you make typing mistakes.
Cheers
:):)
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Okay, I have found this article where the film's producer has something to say that clears a lot about the genres.
"The thought was to make an emotional movie about a space mission we’re proud of; something that has human elements, unlike Hollywood films like Gravity (2013), which are more fiction and fantasy."
This is what you can hear from Mr. R. Balki, the film's producer. Read here if you want to: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/mission-mangal-is-not-a-woman-centric-film-why-should-i-attempt-to-empower-women-who-are-already-far-superior-to-men/articleshow/70521526.cms
This implies the film is a drama for sure. And being a true story, it shouldn't be listed as sci-fi.
I would suggest the addition of sci-fi genre be locked for this film. Edit wars can indeed get nasty.
"The thought was to make an emotional movie about a space mission we’re proud of; something that has human elements, unlike Hollywood films like Gravity (2013), which are more fiction and fantasy."
This is what you can hear from Mr. R. Balki, the film's producer. Read here if you want to: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/mission-mangal-is-not-a-woman-centric-film-why-should-i-attempt-to-empower-women-who-are-already-far-superior-to-men/articleshow/70521526.cms
This implies the film is a drama for sure. And being a true story, it shouldn't be listed as sci-fi.
I would suggest the addition of sci-fi genre be locked for this film. Edit wars can indeed get nasty.
gromit82, Champion
Manish: The film is currently listed just as a Drama, not as Sci-Fi, so it looks like this problem has been resolved, at least for now.
I agree with you that a dramatic portrayal of true events from a real-life space program does not count as Sci-Fi; see The Right Stuff, Apollo 13, Hidden Figures, and First Man for comparison, none of which are listed as Sci-Fi, either.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9248972/
I agree with you that a dramatic portrayal of true events from a real-life space program does not count as Sci-Fi; see The Right Stuff, Apollo 13, Hidden Figures, and First Man for comparison, none of which are listed as Sci-Fi, either.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9248972/
As many as necessary.
It's not that I WANT to. It's that WE NEED to do that. Because someone is not gonna listen and you know who I'm talking about.
And to be honest, this is the only case like this I have come across. So I am asking for the genre lock only on this film, not any other.
And to be honest, this is the only case like this I have come across. So I am asking for the genre lock only on this film, not any other.
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Please read this Manish
Issue with https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9248972/
If you want to know what to do. There it is.
Issue with https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9248972/
If you want to know what to do. There it is.
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Manish:
I've experienced the situations similar to yours when some contributors keep a silent war of edits. So, I understand and consider as a good intention when you try to find a right way out of this by means of public discussion.
However, in this particular case you ask to lock a title that is not been released yet. The only reason for this is a theory that this film about the ISRO, an existing entity, and its real mission -- these two true things could stop the producers from including some sci-fi scenes and/or elements to possibly emphasis the future perspective of that entity and its technologies, or for other similar purposes. Those who encourage you to lock as many as necessary should have all those movies seen before the first releases. Is it a great problem to wait 1-2 weeks more for this movie release and then sound factual about the set of genres? This is not a question to answer, btw ;)
I've experienced the situations similar to yours when some contributors keep a silent war of edits. So, I understand and consider as a good intention when you try to find a right way out of this by means of public discussion.
However, in this particular case you ask to lock a title that is not been released yet. The only reason for this is a theory that this film about the ISRO, an existing entity, and its real mission -- these two true things could stop the producers from including some sci-fi scenes and/or elements to possibly emphasis the future perspective of that entity and its technologies, or for other similar purposes. Those who encourage you to lock as many as necessary should have all those movies seen before the first releases. Is it a great problem to wait 1-2 weeks more for this movie release and then sound factual about the set of genres? This is not a question to answer, btw ;)
And for those that give advice on an illogical assumption, please remember that while the title is locked, that does not stop any contributor from submitting a well thought out argument for a genre removal or inclusion. Locking a title just means that the automatic approval is no longer in play. You gotta prove your change now. Locking a title that has an ongoing edit "War" is the smart thing to do. Saying anything against it is illogical and is bad advice. It does not matter whether or not it is released yet either as suggested. All this lockdown does is stop the database from becoming inaccurate for one or two days or a week or a few hours while the errant submission is reversed.
You were correct to point this out and you are to be praised for bringing it up.
You were correct to point this out and you are to be praised for bringing it up.
That sound good, Ed.
That sound good, Ed.
Is it just me or even you see the above comment twice? I didn't post it twice, though. Anyways, thanks everyone for understanding my point.
Jeorj Euler
Manish
Locking the addition of new genres, just like it is done for older films.
You try to add the genre, and it gets rejected within seconds. That's how it is done for older films. It can be done for this one too, as the makers have billed this as an emotional film (drama) only. It's the internet that is calling it a sci-fi although it barely qualifies for the genre due to being based on true events and featuring even true characters. The lead actor Akshay Kumar plays Rakesh Dhawan, a real life character and a part of the real mission.