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The GS site has a good system, allowing for transparency, by listing deleted posts with a reason and sometimes with comment from staff. I understand, comment from staff would take a lot of extra work, but maybe the system can allow for automated notification, perhaps a number code in the "deleted by administrator" message, showing which reason was chosen by the user reporting it. For example, if a film's board has a user putting spoilers in her/his post titles, it could be reported using the 15th reason on the list, "contains spoilers" and show "deleted by administrator-contains spoilers" or just "deleted-code 15," etc.
If it is someone abusing the report system, it would be obvious. For instance, if they put "racism" and there is none, or "spam," etc. the user would know and could make a report of false reporting. Sometimes users think there is false reporting and just don't know they should use "spoiler" mark-up or don't know "off topic" is a problem. It could eliminate some abusive posts, reduce reports of false reporting, and save a lot of "what did I do wrong" posting (which I also see on actor or title boards too).
It needn't be a detailed description and could largely be automated so it wouldn't waste staff's time. It might be sufficient to let people know what has happened and why (even if they don't agree with it) and might stop some people from having to come on here to find out what happened, because at the moment it seems to be pretty mysterious and can often feel like it comes out of the blue.
So with posts, you could send someone a PM with these details:
* The category the complaint was in (which is populated from a drop down menu so is fairly standardised).
* The content of the specific message that caused the problem - as you scrub someone's whole posting history, they might not actually know what all this was over. The downside of this is they could keep blundering into this and there'd be no way for them to correct their behaviour if they don't know what they are being punished for, like telling your dog off for one specific thing he did sometime in the last week - they'd never change and might go a bit mad.
With lists you might want to send a PM saying:
* If the list has been suspended pending an investigation or just deleted.
* What the category of complaint was.
Feel free to say that there is no process of appeal if you want too.
Although I still support bluesmanSF's originally suggestion, perhaps IMDb could take a more proactive approach to what IMDb considers appropriate content for lists. I understand that IMDb considers the original suggestion impractical.
It would be helpful to have a link on the Create a List page [http://www.imdb.com/list/create] to IMDb's terms and conditions page [http://www.imdb.com/help/show_article...]. It would also be helpful to include a message along the lines of what appears when posting on the message boards
Please note all lists must comply with the terms and conditions. Violations of these terms may result in all your list being deleted and your account permanently blocked from accessing the site. If you discover an inappropriate list, please report the list via the "Report this list" link at the top right of the page.
Even though the warning on message board does not prevent users from posting inappropriate content, at least they are forewarned. Many people put a lot of time and effort into creating their lists. It is disconcerting to have such a list deleted without knowing why.
It would also be helpful for users to be able mark lists as Not Safe for Work (NSF) and/or contains adult content.
It seems the admin don't have the time to read threads that have a complaint against them to see if the complaint is valid or not, so I was wondering how you would know if the one making the complaint doesn't just have a personal beef with the OP of the original thread?
It's just so frustrating for someone like me, who tried to always be polite and not be rude, to find your thread has vanished without explanation.
Boom ultimate full deletion penalty, no warning. I probably over the years had contributed to this site with many reviews, ratings, comments without any issues.Would have been nice if the Deleters had simply
removed offending posts of mine.Fuc king overkill by d-bags.Hope I'm not subject to arrest now.
Yes I'm pretty sure I cussed (not the only one in that Thread who did however). And I'm still not sure if, as you suggest, they don't remove ratings, whether that also applies if a Member's history is removed for cussing. The history seemed to be definitely gone the last 3X I checked.
I still feel the more appropriate "punishment" should be a warning or at the worst removing the Thread, the post to a Thread or the offensive language.They unilaterally without warning deleted hours of my life that I had over time used to post my reviews or comments.
Yep I should have ignored them... and IMDb should have ignored me!!!
This whole reporting system is broken and favoring trolls. Trolls have usually several accounts on standby they put little effort in, except occasionally wiping and renaming them. They can use those for trolling, maliciously reporting regular users and whatever. And it won't really bother them when an account gets nuked.
The productive user though gets hurt quite badly when his account is nuked. And this imbalance just isn't acceptable.
IMDB took a step in the right direct with their account verification. But it's entirely lacking a moderation and reporting system that puts this verification to the intended effect, namely holding real offenders accountable for their actions. As it stands, the whole system is a continuing source of frustration for the regular user.
So I'd actually go a step further. Not only tell me what post was reported. Also tell me who reported it. So that I at least know what I'm dealing with.
Also, please make it a little more transparent where the red line is that shouldn't be crossed. Me, I'm currently target of a troll for example. I'm currently getting a warning when trying to post. But I have no idea what to do to prevent my account from being nuked. Right now, I'm not posting at all because I feel the troll could report any random post of mine and potentially get me nuked, thanks to that fuzzy automated report processing. The whole situation is a total mess I can tell you.
I am also on several Philadelphia sports message boards. Those Boards approximate the wild, wild west but the moderators are intelligent enough to understand that we are mostly all grown-ups not easily offended by anything, they factor in a form of Freedom of Speech and let most things pass (as they should).
Sarcastic thanks to IMDb for removing traces of hours of my life and my passion with no warning, no Appeal and no explanation. May the same fate somehow befall those responsible for this moronic response to (what??I'm still not sure).
Again I enjoy participating in many Message Boards. Again I assume each of those Boards are used by both 13 year olds and a few Great Grandmothers. But even more they are used by actual non-octogenerian GROWN-UPS.
NONE of those Boards delete a poster's (who OCCASIONALLY cusses in a Thread) ENTIRE Board presence and history. None..except for IMDb. They each either delete the Posting/Comment, use asterisks for "offensive" words or remove the entire Thread if it becomes a shoot out.
The nature of the beast is that occasionally--not always or invariably--a Thread becomes nasty.Most Board moderators understand that.
And if entire IMDb Board histories are deleted based on a mere Complaint--good faith or bad faith--then I agree too with the foul-language hating keester that this too is absurd.
I'm not coming out here as pro unfettered cursing, I'm only ridiculing the overkill nature of IMDb's "cure".
In trying to figure out why--I still have no idea--I could only speculate it MIGHT have been because of ONE (and only one) nasty Thread involving my expressed dislike for a film (apparently a film beloved by 13 year olds, gamers and those on Ritalin for ADHD) who then "attacked" me en masse which, as is my wont, elicited several firm POSSIBLY cuss-laden ripostes from me. Again this is the only reason I could come up with.
And when I say cuss (alert.. POSSIBLE cuss word to follow) is calling the 13 year olds (collectively) douche-bags even cursing in the first place? Does IMDb not support hygiene?
Progressive discipline would have been fine. And you misunderstood my reference to using asterisks. The Message Boards I post to (mostly Philly Sports Message Boards--no places for the faint-of-heart) THEMSELVES recognize cussing and auto-substitute asterisks for.any recognized profanity. When I feel like cussin I do so usually without any ramifications.
Except with (back to the beginning) IMDb. I think....
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