I have had a bad review from a fellow actor who also supports remain. He has written a troll review on Amazon and using a different name on IMDB yesterday wrote another and got someone else to mark the film down. Is this fair to be able to attack the person and not the film this way.
Posted 7 months ago
Nothing here violates IMDb policy.
Hi Mark Morris,
If you think that it is a seroius problem and they violates IMDb policy, then please fill the report to the IMDb team.
If you think that it is a seroius problem and they violates IMDb policy, then please fill the report to the IMDb team.
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This IS The IMDb team. Right here. It's reported!
Users and Staff/Team ARE Here!
Users and Staff/Team ARE Here!
Brilliant thanks Ed!
Yes but what about the ones that are trolling with an agenda? I cant seem to report it to IMDB Just a link to here?
I dislike Horror Films. Why? Because most are made rather poorly.
Interview with the Vampire is not made poorly. But it only gets a 7 in my book.
I have an agenda. A dislike of the Horror Genre as a whole.
So am I and my opinion to be blocked? Hmmm? NO!
Get over it. If you make poor films, you will get good and bad reviews. If you make good films, you will get good and bad reviews.
Live with it.
Interview with the Vampire is not made poorly. But it only gets a 7 in my book.
I have an agenda. A dislike of the Horror Genre as a whole.
So am I and my opinion to be blocked? Hmmm? NO!
Get over it. If you make poor films, you will get good and bad reviews. If you make good films, you will get good and bad reviews.
Live with it.
I have nothing against bad reviews Just those trolling Thanks for your time Ed and your opinion.
Those reviews will not be removed.
Waste of time.
They violate no policy.
Did you not read my reply above.
Waste of time.
They violate no policy.
Did you not read my reply above.
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Waste of time? Call this customer service? The only waste of time has been mine talking to you. Clear case of trolling and your not doing your job. Amazon doesn't have a proper complaints procedure That much is clear.
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By the way I wasn't talking about the reviews on the US page but the reviews in question were on the UK site.
Ed is just a regular user (like me), so he doesn't have any job to do. But I agree with him. The negative reviews are written in full sentences, with more or less correct grammar, they give reasons for the bad rating and they don't contain anything that is completely unrelated to the movie.
How do you even know that the Amazon user is the same one who wrote the IMDb review? So what if someone decides to only rate three movies, including two of yours? And even if that guy is a fellow actor out to damage your career or something, there is no evidence for this in what he writes.
How do you even know that the Amazon user is the same one who wrote the IMDb review? So what if someone decides to only rate three movies, including two of yours? And even if that guy is a fellow actor out to damage your career or something, there is no evidence for this in what he writes.
albstein Thank you for taking time to look at this but 3 reviews two on my films and one on another film maker not far from me and many actors in either film the same. He first of all watched one of my films and did a bad review Fine But why on earth would he then watch another of my films and do the same thing. And just those 3 reviews Now come on its obvious to even the very dimmest exactly what is going on here.
By the way I've had one of those films removed "The Matt Preston Files" because of bad reviews and this guys post was probably one of the reasons. Ed ccant just be a regular guy if he has the power to remove posts though and must be a moderator or am I missing something,.
The reason I know the 2 reviews are the same on the other troll is as follows. I made a series of posts about why we should leave the EU Vote Tory and why Corbyn was bad news. I then noticed a bad review on amazon and I checked the guy out on Facebook He is a fellow actor indie films of low quality ect and he had some of the same friends and writing some really over the top stuff as to why Corbyn should win the election and what he was doing to Brexiteers stuff like just unfriended another one Whose next my fingers on the button. My guess is he wrote the post because I would rather leave the EU and have a trade deal with the US After I confront him on FB and out him Suddenly a new review appears on IMDB with a different name but the same complaint about voices being dubbed. Now that is just to much of a coincidence and an easy to look into for Amazon or IMDB to see if its from the same person and even if it isn't its his mate, I guess the next response after this would be a need something to do. Lol Well If our films can get taken down because of behaviour like this and put others off that could be me or you or any film maker and sends the wrong message to people about trolling. So we should all want to stop trolls but obviously not real customers from writing their true feelings which could be good or bad and I am happy with that Its just the trolling that's wrong.
No chance that someone saw these three movies on a local film festival or so? Anyway, as I said there is no evidence of his being a fellow actor in the reviews themselves. It is surely frustrating for you because a few negative reviews have a much more damaging effect on an indie production than, say, a blockbuster movie where they are drowned out in a mass of voices. But I don't see what IMDb could to about it.
I think Ed was talking about what IMDb moderators will most likely do, not what he himself will do (because he can't).
I don't know much about the responsibilities here but they are indicated if you look next to the user name. For example, if you someone is a 'Champion' (someone with certain privileges), it will read "[User Name], Champion".
I think Ed was talking about what IMDb moderators will most likely do, not what he himself will do (because he can't).
I don't know much about the responsibilities here but they are indicated if you look next to the user name. For example, if you someone is a 'Champion' (someone with certain privileges), it will read "[User Name], Champion".
Yikes! I can now see why this has happened to you. I am no moderator. I only point out the obvious. It does not matter who or what you believe has caused the reviews. They are not going to be removed. They violate no policy. I'm not the final say here. IMDb is. But from my experience here in submission removal contributions, I can say with 100% certainty that the two reviews in question above will remain. Who wrote them is of no concern to IMDb.
You are not the only individual with this very same complaint. If you will actually read the other topics here you would find "Many" like topics on this subject.
See how many total topics there are?
Please read all the other topics and their outcomes. Only in rare instances are reviews removed. Duplicates and Policy violations only are cause for removal.
There are 2610 Posts for your perusal.
Cheers
You are not the only individual with this very same complaint. If you will actually read the other topics here you would find "Many" like topics on this subject.
See how many total topics there are?
Please read all the other topics and their outcomes. Only in rare instances are reviews removed. Duplicates and Policy violations only are cause for removal.
There are 2610 Posts for your perusal.
Cheers
69,267 conversations. Presumably about unfair bad reviews troll ect and they are all wrong and your right Lol.
You really have a huge problem. What is happening is anyone can tactically attack someone's film with Amazons permission. I wouldn't expect Amazon to have the resources to look into every complaint or want to but I do believe that something needs to be done Either stop reviews altogether unless it can be monitored or a few cases highlighted and shown intolerance to that sort of behaviour. Because otherwise its sending out the wrong message that trolling is allowed and reflects badly on Amazon and Imdb. Not only are these people are wrong you fail to see many spend large sums of money I myself spend thousands on Amazon.
You really have a huge problem. What is happening is anyone can tactically attack someone's film with Amazons permission. I wouldn't expect Amazon to have the resources to look into every complaint or want to but I do believe that something needs to be done Either stop reviews altogether unless it can be monitored or a few cases highlighted and shown intolerance to that sort of behaviour. Because otherwise its sending out the wrong message that trolling is allowed and reflects badly on Amazon and Imdb. Not only are these people are wrong you fail to see many spend large sums of money I myself spend thousands on Amazon.
albstein The Matt Preston files and Cyborg invasion were direct to Amazon No festivals.
This site has nothing to do with Amazon, you'll have to go there and contact them at https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/contact-us/
or use the report button under the reviews you mention.
or use the report button under the reviews you mention.
Thanks Jon I'll contact them soon!
I was told by Amazon to come here. Doesn't hurt to try the chat link though.
Talk all you want, but nothing is going to happen because of this.
What if I was to claim that all of your 10 votes were bogus. That all your homers voted it a 10 without ever seeing it, because you asked them to upvote your film. ?? A case can be made for that.
Your film is devoid of any 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 votes.
If you throw out the 1 and 10 votes, which IMDb already considers suspect. That is part of IMDb's secret formula called the "Weighted Average", then whats left is the 2, 3, and four votes.
Any title with no votes between 5-9 would strike me as being a bad movie.
Occam's theory applies here. If it looks like a duck............etc..............!
So if you are ranked a 4.8, bad reviews are truthful, according to Occam Theory.
What if I was to claim that all of your 10 votes were bogus. That all your homers voted it a 10 without ever seeing it, because you asked them to upvote your film. ?? A case can be made for that.
Your film is devoid of any 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 votes.
If you throw out the 1 and 10 votes, which IMDb already considers suspect. That is part of IMDb's secret formula called the "Weighted Average", then whats left is the 2, 3, and four votes.
Any title with no votes between 5-9 would strike me as being a bad movie.
Occam's theory applies here. If it looks like a duck............etc..............!
So if you are ranked a 4.8, bad reviews are truthful, according to Occam Theory.
Of course if you have an option to like your own film then you will use that. I think most would feel their own film is good before uploading it. You can very easily predict the trolls are going to try and get your film unwatched. You really seem to dislike indie film makers Have you ever made a film? Do you know how much work goes into one? Sitting in an edit chair from 8am to 12 midnight everyday for months on end. To give you something for free. Yes we are hoping for fame and fortune and to show what we can do. When the haters take all that down because they selfishly target your film Maybe a crew member r actor from another film trying to get rid of competition. I spent thousands on these films so people like you can tell me I deserve the haters for daring to object when trolls can be easily identified. Shame on you Ed. Also shame on you for pretending to be a mod when I first posted.
I never pretended to be anything. I state facts in a matter of fact way. Don't have time to explain what YOU should have read on the Home Page.
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb
.IF you had taken the time to read other replies first you would have noticed that employees have an Icon that identify them as Employees.
This is a typical mistake.
Yours!
Not mine.
Not my job to state who I am 15,000 times before I type a word.
Your job to READ the forum first.
You have assumed what I am.
You have assumed that your film should be great to others.
You have assumed that people are trolling you.
You have assumed that these things are caused by everyone else but your own self.
You have failed to assume responsibility for your own failures.
There is a film maker that frequents here that does what you do but makes far more films than you have attempted.
He knows that he has made some stinkers.
Its part of the process. Failure makes you better. And how many I make is irrelevant. One can be a critic without filming anything. Your pointing this out is silly. If you are telling me how could "I Know", that is absurd. I can extrapolate any scenario. Any.
So please stop using a narrow minded approach to your argument.
You need to accept what is thrown your way as far as criticism is concerned.
Learn from it!
Do a better job.
Do not expect others (IMDB) to censor "Bad Reviews" so as to make the reviews or ratings a lie. IMDb simply reports what is submitted to it. As long as it meets guidelines, nothing you can say will make IMDb Censor it's users. Nothing!
I for one can see no clear evidence to support your claim. If these people know you and don't like you and/or your work, they have a "Right" to voice there opinion.
Regardless of whether you agree or not.
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb
.IF you had taken the time to read other replies first you would have noticed that employees have an Icon that identify them as Employees.
This is a typical mistake.
Yours!
Not mine.
Not my job to state who I am 15,000 times before I type a word.
Your job to READ the forum first.
You have assumed what I am.
You have assumed that your film should be great to others.
You have assumed that people are trolling you.
You have assumed that these things are caused by everyone else but your own self.
You have failed to assume responsibility for your own failures.
There is a film maker that frequents here that does what you do but makes far more films than you have attempted.
He knows that he has made some stinkers.
Its part of the process. Failure makes you better. And how many I make is irrelevant. One can be a critic without filming anything. Your pointing this out is silly. If you are telling me how could "I Know", that is absurd. I can extrapolate any scenario. Any.
So please stop using a narrow minded approach to your argument.
You need to accept what is thrown your way as far as criticism is concerned.
Learn from it!
Do a better job.
Do not expect others (IMDB) to censor "Bad Reviews" so as to make the reviews or ratings a lie. IMDb simply reports what is submitted to it. As long as it meets guidelines, nothing you can say will make IMDb Censor it's users. Nothing!
I for one can see no clear evidence to support your claim. If these people know you and don't like you and/or your work, they have a "Right" to voice there opinion.
Regardless of whether you agree or not.
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Right So you haven't made a single film. As far as criticism is concerned I take it far better than you appear to do. My only reason for being here is because of trolls Your only reason for being here is to criticise those who have real issues. Maybe you should take time out and listen to what people are saying and trying to do Maybe then you might be a benefit and not a distraction from real world problems.
The problem is in your own little world. Fame. Fortune. Greed.
Real problems are poverty. War. Strife. Not a little Horror Picture.
Real problems are poverty. War. Strife. Not a little Horror Picture.
Just found a link to one of the films Danny who gave us a bad review was in Lol https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/detail/0NU894UREKYBID542BYZCAIFAB/ref=imdbref_tt_wbr_pvs_piv?tag=imdbtag_tt_wbr_pvs_piv-21v-21
Scroll down and see the reviews are no different to what he sent us.
If you feel like that why are you here Ed?
This was his review of our film and if you check his film you will see the similarities of what people have posted there and what he did to ours,
Danny ReyntiensAvoid at all cost
21 November 2019
Format: Prime VideoVerified Purchase
Oh my word. This goes beyond the Room. How can this be shown on Prime? Quality nor acting, nor production exist in this WTF excuse of a film.
I'm a massive fan of independent stuff but I have seen better quality in porn than this. Who ever gave this 5 stars aren't those embarrassed
to be associated with this diarrhoea whicis probably the director who is playing the lead and dubbed most of his lines
You have not read what I do here. Some of it is putting up with people that do not want to hear the truth. Most of what I do is Polls. A large percentage is helping people with adding credits and answering a lot of how to do things.
As usual when I speak the truth to an individual such as yourself, they tend to be offended by that truth. As the Colonel says in the movie.........."You can't handle the truth."
You are proving that statement here.
You have just brought up a review left on Amazon now. No one here can deal with that issue. Yet you brought it up.
Advice.
Take the criticism given. Stop complaining here that "Someone" ought to do something about it. If you want lies and personal ego stroking then you'll never get that in a public forum. This ain't utopia. Expecting others to silence others on your behalf is shall we say is a fools request.
Please, you are convicing no one here.
Go complain to Amazon about that review you just posted. That I believe you might have a case for removal.
This will be my last reply. Not because I have nothing to say. But because what I would like to say is not allowed here.
Have a great day.
Good luck to you.
As usual when I speak the truth to an individual such as yourself, they tend to be offended by that truth. As the Colonel says in the movie.........."You can't handle the truth."
You are proving that statement here.
You have just brought up a review left on Amazon now. No one here can deal with that issue. Yet you brought it up.
Advice.
Take the criticism given. Stop complaining here that "Someone" ought to do something about it. If you want lies and personal ego stroking then you'll never get that in a public forum. This ain't utopia. Expecting others to silence others on your behalf is shall we say is a fools request.
Please, you are convicing no one here.
Go complain to Amazon about that review you just posted. That I believe you might have a case for removal.
This will be my last reply. Not because I have nothing to say. But because what I would like to say is not allowed here.
Have a great day.
Good luck to you.
Ed It isn't about me Its about all those people kids or older people who worked hard for free to make something extraordinary. Its then about showing that work and waiting and hoping for those dreams Only to find troll reviews from people trying to take down the competition. Not all reviews but those that are should be stopped. That's only fair. And by the way you consistently exaggerate and ignore my points in order to make me a bad guy. Its not me seeking attention here I just have a legitimate point that is reasonable and fair. By the way you don't go to the cinema and see troll polls under mainstream films Its only social media where they can get away with this and it doesn't need to be this way.
Trolling and lessons learned. When a cast and crew have worked hard and looking forward to seeing their films shown publically its often sad to see bad reviews full of vitriol hatred and anger. You or I would give a program 5 minutes and switch channels if we didnt like it. We wouldnt sit all the way through the film and then write an awful review full of the vitriol we often see. Its now become clear that many of these reviews are from within our own ranks. Usually as a way... to take down the competition or jealousy. So why dont I just ignore it? Because they DO succeed in getting films taken down of deterring others from watching it. From making cast and crew question and doubt as well as distributers who see this too. Exactly the result the haters want while making sure we have two hands firmly tied behind our backs. Well haters The games up we know who you are and why you do it and change is on the way.
So say you.
If we did as you asked, IMDb would be guilty of Censorship. What if IMDb refused to list your Movie because it did not meet some arbitrary standard set by say someone that thought that only Wes Craven Horror films should be listed and that anyone else that dare make a Horror movie was a Troll Filmmaker.
You DO NOT get to decide what constitutes a troll review.
IMDb Does Not get to do the same either.
Now Please stop this incessant complaining about free speech.
If we did as you asked, IMDb would be guilty of Censorship. What if IMDb refused to list your Movie because it did not meet some arbitrary standard set by say someone that thought that only Wes Craven Horror films should be listed and that anyone else that dare make a Horror movie was a Troll Filmmaker.
You DO NOT get to decide what constitutes a troll review.
IMDb Does Not get to do the same either.
Now Please stop this incessant complaining about free speech.
Jaime, Employee
Thank you Jaime I have zero objection to legitimate reviews None at all But the TRUTH is many of these vitriolic posts come from within our own ranks Fellow film makers Blue on blue. And its to get your film removed or unwatched as revenge for not agreeing with them or some other childish tantrum. I think that is wrong. And if I can do something about it to make things fair then I wont stand here and be a blind victim. If a disgruntled fellow film maker succeeds in taking your film down at some point in the future I will stand with you too. The rules need to be updated on Amazon and IMDBs part I think that its only fair that you reflect on this Vitriol Hatred and Anger have no place in the professional world. You wouldn't see this on any media outlets other than social media. So again I ask to put fair play back into the equation. Keep bad reviews but take down the trolls.
Best Mark
Best Mark
Jaime Here is some action you can take right now even if you don't care these are not proper reviews but takedowns from fellow film makers revenge trolling Lots like this too.
Your rules
Profanity, obscenities, or spiteful remarks in either the body or header of your review
Danny Reyntiens
Avoid at all cost
21 November 2019
Format: Prime VideoVerified Purchase
Your rules
Profanity, obscenities, or spiteful remarks in either the body or header of your review
Danny Reyntiens
Avoid at all cost
21 November 2019
Format: Prime VideoVerified Purchase
Oh my word. This goes beyond the Room. How can this be shown on Prime? Quality nor acting, nor production exist in this WTF excuse of a film.
I'm a massive fan of independent stuff but I have seen better quality in porn than this. Who ever gave this 5 stars aren't those embarrassed
to be associated with this diarrhoea whicis probably the director who is playing the lead and dubbed most of his lines
This review is nothing to do with this site I'm afraid. Amazon may own IMDB but IMDB is its own company with its own staff that have no say in what goes on at Amazon's website nor do IMDB's rules apply there.
You'll have to continue this with Amazon staff over on their site.
You'll have to continue this with Amazon staff over on their site.
Thanks John but Amazon have directed me here, I'll wait until an IMDB Mod gives me further direction.
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Amazon problem. They incorrectly referred you here on that one. I told you once you had a claim with Amazon on that. Now go there and report it. IMDb can do nothing.
Jon gave you the correct advice. Jaime told you the same things I already have. You are not going to sway anyone to change this decision. Please stop replying on other posts that are old also. It is SPAMMING. Also, your replies from this point on are not being read by staff (Jaime). It has been officially closed. (Answered) Please see above.
Jon gave you the correct advice. Jaime told you the same things I already have. You are not going to sway anyone to change this decision. Please stop replying on other posts that are old also. It is SPAMMING. Also, your replies from this point on are not being read by staff (Jaime). It has been officially closed. (Answered) Please see above.
but Amazon have directed me here, I'll wait until an IMDB Mod gives me further direction.You'll be waiting till the 12th of never!
