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I recently went to see a viewing of an independent horror movie. I returned home to review it (My first ever review on IMDB) and it's been declined and I'm curious as to why.

This movie has been hammered with fake reviews, all posted on the same day from brand new accounts and that apparently is acceptable but a critical review of the movie isn't?
There are no profanities, no spoilers, no ropey content it's just a review of the film and mention of the above (Which I've seen plenty of times elsewhere).

Can someone please explain this to me? Thanks.

Alice

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Hope that this is not too irrelevant a reply. I am glad Jay I am not the only one who from a few days ago has found that their reviews are taking far longer to be approved. My reviews before were approved straight away or 5-10 minutes after submitting, now they are taking a few hours and more. I do hope that this is not long-term and that it is addressed because it is pretty disconcerting. I am also totally with you with your examples of useless reviews that are far too short to be considered a review, IMDb from personal opinion need to increase the number of minimum lines instead of having given in to the silly complaints of the past minimum lines (10 lines, far more ressonable but actually still too short) being too long. They are often poorly written and say very little about the film in question itself other than a few vague barely elaborated reasons and not much of reviews. Many of them too are merely three or four lines bashing critics and people with a different opinion to them, something that has been blown out of proportion for far too long now and has absolutely no place in a review. It is insulting for those with well thought out and longer reviews that are inexplicably down-voted or ignored. Not sure how many people will agree.

Regarding your review Alice, if you are still having issues having your review being approved, my advice would be that I would definitely say much less about shill reviews, if you are to include anything on it I would only refer to it in a PS of one or two short sentences, and less of a general overview of found footage films. You do talk about the film itself but as has already been said I would say much more about it and get to the point earlier, your review does slightly come over as a rant. That's my personal opinion and I hope I don't come over as insulting, just trying to be helpful. Having said that, I do completely understand what you're saying regarding shills. I have really tried to not delve into this or say anything about the issue, instead adopting a different strokes for different folks attitude, but it has definitely been increasing very fast over the past five years or so and is getting far more obvious. I do think though that people should be talking about it less in reviews and should just file a report and write a complaint to IMDb, they are more likely to take that on board.

I also share the frustration of reviews being declined. I have noticed that reasons for the rejections have tended to be vague, hence the increase in people coming here demanding explanations, and not always fair. I have noticed that IMDb have been more sensitive regarding what words to not put in a review. I think that that is somewhat of a good thing because it decreases the vulgarity that was present in some reviews before, but some sensitive words that have caused rejections and deletions are very debatable and shouldn't be deemed offensive in context of the film, show or episode. I can slightly understand bastard, but sometimes it is hard to not write that word if it is in a title for a film or episode, am referring to two 'Game of Thrones' episodes here, or if it's part of an iconic line (words considered ruder likewise). It is similarly hard to not write the word Nazi, when a film is about the second world war or the holocaust which they played a heavy involvement in. Two Popeye cartoobs have the word Japs in the titles, meaning that my reviews for both taking longer to approve.

I have had this experience recently, a few days ago I wrote a review for 1932's 'Taxi' with James Cagney and I could tell from my regular visits to the data processing times page that it had been declined, and I didn't know why. Submitted it again, same thing. Reading the review, which I saved into a word document, I thought to myself was there a sensitive word in it? It clicked with me, in passing I had nentioned the word Yiddish talking about a standout scene in the film where Cagney speaks in Yiddish. Looked up the word, which is actually a language, up, and it and yid can be considered offensive but there are viewpoints saying that that is very debatable. If I had known that it was a sensitive word, I would have not written it. Took the word out, submitted the review again, it was approved. It does mean that when talking about a couple of surprising scenes, I have not been able to provide an example which was that scene in particular, which is going to annoy readers who like reasons to be elaborated upon.

Sorry about the long, and most likely not particularly relevant, post. If it though has bern helpful, that's good. Hope you manage to get it sorted out.
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I'm not sure what hurts my brain more, the logic behind that "System" or that review.

Or that seven people found that review helpful?

Either way my head hurts.
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I miss that show.
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Well, now I have to wonder, because I think I have at least a couple reviews with worse helpful scores than that.
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Yes, and they seem not to like negative opinions on movies they like.  Regardless if the reviewer has a firmer grasp of grammar, spelling and putting a cogent thought together than the "pooh pooh" remark above.

My "not helpful" reviews are for pre-1980 movies.  Nobody reads the ones for more recent releases, tucked away as they are, from taking a couple days to be approved, between hundreds to thousands of one-sentence misstatements, which is only a bit hyperbolic for me to say.
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Yes, and they seem not to like negative opinions on movies they like.  Regardless if the reviewer has a firmer grasp of grammar, spelling and putting a cogent thought together than the "pooh pooh" remark above.

My "not helpful" reviews are for pre-1980 movies.  Nobody reads the ones for more recent releases, tucked away as they are, from taking a couple days to be approved, between hundreds to thousands of one-sentence misstatements, which is only a bit hyperbolic for me to say.
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Hi Alice,

Your review was rejected as it doesn't focus on the content of the title itself. Please feel free to resubmit your review and we'll be happy to reassess.

Regards,
Will
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Hi Will, while you're here could you address the other two points made by the three of us.

a) Why are reviews taking hours to go through when they used to take minutes (Me and Bethany)

b) Why are the reviews I showed and Alice referred to being allowed to be published? When you guys declined one of mine recently you claimed it was because you mistakenly thought I was claiming not to have seen the film yet as above I have 2 there where they admit they actually haven't. Then you have examples above where they haven't focused on the movie and/or haven't even acknowledged it at all. Is this because some moderators are more vigilant than others?
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Hi Jay,

a) All items on IMDb are subject to editorial approval and the time for this can happen can vary. For more details please see here

b) Generally because a review breaches one of the policies outlined here. Any user is allowed to submit a delete on a review that breaches these policies, in those cases please feel free to submit a delete against those reviews.

Regards,
Will
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Hi Michelle thank's for that very constructive response, I now fully understand what the system is but certainly would agree with you that improvements could do with being made. The system is far from flawless and I'm still am unsure why nobody has confirmed that changes have clearly happened lately.

As mentioned before my reviews used to go through near immediatly but over the past month or so have consistently taken several hours. (Until I mentioned it on this thread now they're going through fast again). And of course 3 of those were declined whereas over the years this has never happened before.

Based on your parameters all I can say is though I agree though lot are slipping through. The examples I gave above took seconds to locate, I can pretty much go to any movies review page and locate several that will breach the terms & conditions.

I checked out the movie that this whole thing started over and I can entirely see why Alice came onto the board to raise the issue. The movie only had 17 reviews, they were all posted on the 21st, they all came from fresh accounts with zero activity other than that one single review and gave the movie 10/10. I can understand how frustrating it must have been for her to post a review that DOES talk about the movie but also addresses the fake reviews and for it to get declined while all those reviews were accepted.

I get the logic that they met the t&cs and did nothing but talk about the film but surely you understand what I'm trying to say here. Even more frustrating when let's be honest you can go onto any review page and find plenty of reviews that acknowledge the possibility of fake ratings (Especially independent movies).

i adore this site and use it daily, I enjoy contributing (Considerably more than reviews) but I get peoples frustrations.
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Oh, though I'll say this. I put your reporting breaching reviews method to the test only to find that they were all approved and the offending reviews are gone.

Good job, I just hope that the staff are careful in vetting them and that actual proper reviews aren't getting deleted just because someone who didn't agree reported it.

Thumbs up on that one.
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Oh then again.

Just had a report declined.

A person had posted a SECOND review that went like this.

"UPDATE: I just realized I have coffee stains all over the shirt that I wore while watching 'the fear footage' lastnight. hold onto your beverages and your popcorn while watching this one."

Has NOTHING to do with the film AND he's now got two reviews up there for the same movie. One of your staff looked at this and declined it with the tag "Not enough evidence"

One step forward, five steps back.



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What are the 18-digit reference numbers of the pertinent submissions?
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I've just re-reported it (Twice) as both duplicate and irrelevant.

It baffles me how this could slip by over both matters.

One of the new reference numbers is #181129-163253-759104

If that doesn't breach the t&c's then I'd love to hear the reason why since it contradicts what is above and suggests that we can have multiple reviews per movie.

Also the "Not enough evidence" thing, where do we put our evidence? There are four tick box options and that's it!