I am screen credited for four episodes of Briarpatch. I've submitted my request several times to be listed in the cast for episodes 3, 5, 6, and 7. Each time IMDb refuses and asks me for evidence. When I try to provide that, there is no place for me to attach the screenshots (attached to this post). I'm stuck in an "infinite do loop." Can anyone help me get the credits I deserve? Thanks in advance.
Posted 2 weeks ago
GMJ, Champion
Adrian, Champion
I did voice the character I was playing in each episode. I played two separate characters. Episode 3 is a good example. As you know I was screen credited as cast for each episode.
Your reference states:
"The term "actor" covers everyone whose image or voice appears in a recognised title. This would include documentary subjects, hosts, narrators, athletes, or other people not "acting" in the traditional sense.
I agree there has been some ambiguity in the past, but it has become more clear over time (e.g. puppeteer Jim Henson had 92 credits as an actor for the puppetry he performed for Sesame Street amid others; Tom Hanks was credited as an actor for his roles in the Toy Story series. While I am nowhere near the caliber of those actors, in my mind the principle remains the same.
If it is a coin toss, I would hope you would grant this Puppeteer Actor trained for TV and Film by Jim Henson Muppet performers the benefit of any ambiguous doubt. Please give me your full consideration, these represent my breakthrough as a Puppeteer Actor.
Your reference states:
"The term "actor" covers everyone whose image or voice appears in a recognised title. This would include documentary subjects, hosts, narrators, athletes, or other people not "acting" in the traditional sense.
I agree there has been some ambiguity in the past, but it has become more clear over time (e.g. puppeteer Jim Henson had 92 credits as an actor for the puppetry he performed for Sesame Street amid others; Tom Hanks was credited as an actor for his roles in the Toy Story series. While I am nowhere near the caliber of those actors, in my mind the principle remains the same.
If it is a coin toss, I would hope you would grant this Puppeteer Actor trained for TV and Film by Jim Henson Muppet performers the benefit of any ambiguous doubt. Please give me your full consideration, these represent my breakthrough as a Puppeteer Actor.
Adrian, Champion
I think the problem is with the credit. Puppeteer does not invoke voice credits. Also, Henson is well known to provide the voice of his characters. I'm pretty sure that he isn't credited as "Puppeteer" but as the characters he embodies. Tom Hanks is a voice credit and credited that way. You are really comparing apples to oranges with that comparison. With a credit solely as "puppeteer", instead of credited for the puppets you voiced/acted, it leaves it up to the editor as to whether it is eligible.
I'm not arguing that you shouldn't have a credit, just that according to the IMDb rules for such credit it is not a clear case given how you are credited.
I'm not arguing that you shouldn't have a credit, just that according to the IMDb rules for such credit it is not a clear case given how you are credited.
Adrian, Champion
Hopefully, an IMDb employee will respond with clarification. I do believe this is part of IMDb's rules that need to be update given that motion capture artists can be credited with cast listings. Then again, I also think their "Additional Voice" credits for animated features are bizarre.
Adrian: I see your point about the title "Puppeteer #1" not invoking the imagery for voice credits. I checked Henson on IMDb and drilled down on the roles he has played. I see where you are coming from. He is credited for the characters he portrayed. OK then, for clarification and building upon that, the scripted characters I portrayed were:
Ep 3 "Algorithm Capone"
Ep 5 "X"
Ep 6 "Algorithm Capone"
Ep 7 "X"
I have the script but I do not see a way to attach it here.
Ep 3 "Algorithm Capone"
Ep 5 "X"
Ep 6 "Algorithm Capone"
Ep 7 "X"
I have the script but I do not see a way to attach it here.
(Edited)
Adrian: declined again. :-( and directed to "add evidence" (again) There does not seem to be a way to attach the screenshots. As you entered most of the cast into IMDb, can you add me? Or can you tell me my next best step to take? I sure wish I could provide "evidence" and state my position with something more than an online form. And the exchange we have going has helped me to express my position. Based on your experience and from your perspective, what do I do now?
28 June 2020 #200628-222952-625000
Terrible, Shocking Things (24 February 2020)
Series: Briarpatch (2019-)
1 item
Actor
Declined (1)
28 June 2020 #200628-222952-625000
Terrible, Shocking Things (24 February 2020)
Series: Briarpatch (2019-)
1 item
Actor
Declined (1)
Adrian, Champion
Sorry, but you will have to wait for an employee to help you. Hopefully they can push through your updates. Unfortunately, your credit would have to be "Puppeteer #1" because that is how it is shown on screen.
I hope this ends up with an update to the cast guide. IMDb data is mostly entered by people like me and I haven't been putting puppeteers in the cast based on my reading of the guide.
I hope this ends up with an update to the cast guide. IMDb data is mostly entered by people like me and I haven't been putting puppeteers in the cast based on my reading of the guide.
thanks again, Adrian. As the attached feedback reads "Declined" do I do anything else? Or have you put me in some sort of queue? (I guess I don't understand the overall process) for a case like mine.
Adrian, Champion
Just wait. It can take several days to get an official response.
Adrian: hello again from your friendly neighborhood Puppeteer #1. Hope you had a good 4th. My 200628-222952-625000 remains "declined; unable to verify." When we last left off you said I did not have to do anything but wait. Am I under reconsideration in a queue with IMDb? Or do I have to start over . . . again? I still don't understand if a conversation here with you results in your intervention with IMDb in some way. Need your advice on how to proceed . . .
GMJ, Champion
File a report through the IMDb Contact Us form.
https://help.imdb.com/contact
Suggested path:
IMDb Contributor
- I need help with a new submission I've made
- Filmography credits
- Email
In addition to the 18-digit reference number of the updates, Include the URL of this discussion page.
You should receive a response from a representative by e-mail.
I hope this helps.
https://help.imdb.com/contact
Suggested path:
IMDb Contributor
- I need help with a new submission I've made
- Filmography credits
In addition to the 18-digit reference number of the updates, Include the URL of this discussion page.
You should receive a response from a representative by e-mail.
I hope this helps.
NeverAgain$
Please excuse Adrian for not picking up on this. He is a Champion and should have guided you when you said there is no way to provide evidence with a submission.
There IS!!!
See the pictures below and the explanations.
See the Provide an explanation to assist in processing this submission at the bottom?
Check off the box and select Check these updates at the bottom
You now have your place to provide evidence
Please read what is in the explanation box.
O.K.?
Please excuse Adrian for not picking up on this. He is a Champion and should have guided you when you said there is no way to provide evidence with a submission.
There IS!!!
See the pictures below and the explanations.
See the Provide an explanation to assist in processing this submission at the bottom?
Check off the box and select Check these updates at the bottom
You now have your place to provide evidence
Please read what is in the explanation box.
O.K.?
And a question. Is the puppet only visible?
Or are you as a puppeteer? The person controlling the puppet?
Or are you as a puppeteer? The person controlling the puppet?
- for Ed Jones (Achmed the Dead) :-) The puppet is visible; I am not. (I am an actor and puppeteer trained for TV & Film by Jim Henson performers). I voiced and manipulated puppets in Briarpatch ep 3, 5, 6 and 7; I was screen credited for my acting roles for these four episodes. IMDb rules: “The term "actor" covers everyone whose image or voice appears in a recognized title. This would include documentary subjects, hosts, narrators, athletes, or other people not "acting" in the traditional sense.” I think I have a solid case here. I will resubmit following your instructions regarding evidence.
- for GMJ: I will parallel my resubmit with filing a report (email) using the IMDb Contact Us form.
- thank you both for your advice. I never imagined this was going to be so difficult. I am pressing on ...
Good luck.
Thanks. Are y’all IMDb techs who can add my credit directly? Or are you advocates to help us get the best chances with IMDb? Just trying to understand the process.
Advocates. GMJ is a site Champion.
I just hang out here a lot. Make IMDb Polls. I like you have an actors page. But my involvement in the industry is very limited.
My actors page if your curious....Ed Jones (XLIX)
I just hang out here a lot. Make IMDb Polls. I like you have an actors page. But my involvement in the industry is very limited.
My actors page if your curious....Ed Jones (XLIX)
for GMG and Ed: I could not get dropbox to work for me. So here is what I submitted via IMDb Contact Us emailRegarding Update 200707-181639-777200 on original 200707-175309-968000
Additional Evidence for Briarpatch Season 1:
- Episode 3:
Screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8dqr06b7o15fn7g/S1E3%20Briarpatch%20Screen%20Credits.jpeg?dl=0
Episode Credits (2nd screen page) https://usa.app.link/TJt8j9eSV7
- Episode 5:
Screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/iurflfkvbx0zw5r/S1E5%20Briarpatch%20Screen%20Credits.jpeg?dl=0
Episode Credits (2nd screen page) https://usa.app.link/5OijKR1VV7
- Episode 6:
Screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhwz503j0epa7h0/S1E6%20Briarpatch%20Screen%20Credits.jpeg?dl=0
Credits (2nd screen page) https://usa.app.link/mr2qlQ5VV7
- Episode 7:
Screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6526lxd5hevpw0/S1E7%20Briarpatch%20Screen%20Credits.jpeg?dl=0
Episode Credits (2nd screen page) https://usa.app.link/e6FdUs8VV7
The puppets in each episodes are visible; I am not. (I am an actor and puppeteer trained for TV & Film by Jim Henson performers). I voiced and manipulated puppets in Briarpatch ep 3, 5, 6 and 7; I was screen credited for my acting roles for these four episodes. IMDb rules: “The term "actor" covers everyone whose image or voice appears in a recognized title. This would include documentary subjects, hosts, narrators, athletes, or other people not "acting" in the traditional sense.” I think I have a solid case here. I will resubmit following your instructions regarding evidence.
I request to be credited as an actor on all 4 episodes.
Cross your fingers!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good Luck.......
Good Luck.......
Ed: hi again. I am totally confused. I submitted all that via the email method and was told by Charlie of IMDb Customer Service to go back to the dreaded orange box to resubmit. So I did that. Now I get an email saying that IMDb is working it and to track it. When I do that it says my update is disapproved because it is the same as a previous update which it is not. I just added all the info, URLs, etc. I cannot figure out where I stand: whether my request is still active or not. Disheartened. But, darn it, I WILL get my darn credits.
You actually need to use the original submission. Not create a new one.
Did you reopen the original?
Did you reopen the original?
(Edited)
i did!
I updated
I updated
You went here? And reopened from here?
https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/history/?ref_=helpms_ch_ci_history
https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/history/?ref_=helpms_ch_ci_history
You went here? And reopened from here?
https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/history/?ref_=helpms_ch_ci_history
https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/history/?ref_=helpms_ch_ci_history
thought I did sir. so what do i do now. email says wait we are processing. tracking says declined
Dreaded double ghost reply!!!!
i think that the method of adding evidence results in multiple submissions and mucks up the system. Bottom line is that I don't know where I am at in the process
carp. I killed myself to get those roles and worked in lousy conditions and.... :-(
(Edited)
you see the one pending? and all the others declined. well, the one pending does not have all the url's and refs you told me to include. so every time i try to submit those as evidence, i get a bounce back that it's declined as a dupe. the one that is pending does not contain the url evidence. WELL, all I am trying to do is submit the evidence to the pending one. I can see where this is likely to go..... "declined. no evidence" when all the evidence has been submitted in updates that are labeled "dupes" and rejected.
I have IMDb Pro.
It has my E-mail.
I'm just outside L.A.
Contact me. I'll shoot you a phone number.
Call me and I'll try to help you.
This way is too slow and tedious.
https://pro.imdb.com/name/nm8529286?ref_=hm_prof_name
It has my E-mail.
I'm just outside L.A.
Contact me. I'll shoot you a phone number.
Call me and I'll try to help you.
This way is too slow and tedious.
https://pro.imdb.com/name/nm8529286?ref_=hm_prof_name
alrighty then.... how do i submit my "evidence" properly then. step by step to include just how to submit without creating a new submission. only an update
Ed: regret I am not an IMDb pro and cannot see your contact info. my email is mandj4him2@gmail.com and we can go from there. I am in New Mexico. We are 1 hour apart
Just a peek at your pro page.
Your star meter that we mentioned.
Not bad!
Your star meter that we mentioned.
Not bad!
Ed #49 and Achmed the Dead! Take a look at my IMDb page, top line as an actor! AND the Briarpatch full cast. It worked! Now I will submit 3 separate requests for the other three episodes I appeared in. HOORAY! As I am not IMDb Pro, can you tell me my Star Meter?
Thank you so much again. I now understand the system. :-)
Thank you so much again. I now understand the system. :-)
Adrian, Champion
Ed #49 and Achmed the Dead! Now that I know the mechanics of evidence, I submitted for the other 3 episodes I was credited in. BINGO! In 24 hours all 3 appeared on the episodes and on my IMDb page. :-) Thank you so much once again for helping me nail this down.
You're Welcome.
You have my phone number.
Call me if you ever need help again.
Good Luck!
You have my phone number.
Call me if you ever need help again.
Good Luck!
BIG :-) With TV gigs for speaking puppeteers are scarce as hen's teeth here, this marks my first public documentation as a SAG puppeteer. That's a big deal for me.
Case closed! I'll keep this thread on notifications until tomorrow for any masters.
Case closed! I'll keep this thread on notifications until tomorrow for any masters.
Excellent!
