Script Supervisor is a KEY position, not a Miscellaneous Crew.

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Hello!  I am a Script Supervisor and I have a concern:  Why our credit is under "Miscellaneous Crew" considering that our position is KEY and it has the same importance as any other KEY Position?  I'll appreciate if this changes, because, my title is not Miscellaneous Crew, is Script Supervisor or Script Continuity Supervisor.  Thank You.
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Linda,
IMDb list your work in a category of Miscellaneous Crew but list the title....I agree with you that the role is important though...just like I agree that Location Manager, the other jobs in that category are important...as indeed are the many frequent jobs that i have to type in manually in that category are important to the production.

The question is one of system....the site has so much data to organize that it uses broad categories to do it.....I guess at some point they just stopped having roles that fitted into broad groups and created an 'other'.

I do not see the creation of such a group as meaning those roles are 'lesser'.....is there a suggestion somewhere on IMDb that being in that category as opposed to another category indicates that it is less important? 

bob
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So your saying that the title of Crazy Credits is more important than a Script Supervisor credit!  Wow.......
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Linda Juliana Lemos

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Thank you Monica!  Exactly my point!
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Carolyn Tolley

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Go in and put your listing where you want it. IMDB is not going to make a category for us anytime soon. I prefer to be in camera department so that is where i list it.
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In the app we say: Miscellaneous Crew. On the IMDb website, we say: Other Crew. Would replacing "Miscellaneous Crew" with "Other Crew" be an improvement? That's a change we could make....
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Yann,
What do you mean:
On the IMDb website, we say: Other Crew
On the website, I see this:


It says 'miscellaneous' on the website, not 'other'....or do I misunderstand?

bob
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Bob,
I stand corrected. I was looking at: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/fullcredits
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I really appreciate guys your prompt response.  

Here is my dilema:



IMDB  "Other Crew" or "Miscellaneous Crew" are only (as I can see) the Location Managers, the production assistants and us.  I know Production Assts. are important and without them, we can't make it happen.  I started as a production assistant so I respect it even more, but Script Supervisor is a Key Position.  When a client looks for my name, the first thing you see is my full name and under says "Miscellaneous Crew", rather than Script Supervisor".  It's included on the credits, but still says MC.

However, the other Key Positions that are out of this group includes assistants, there is a space to put it under the department and not located under the Other/"Miscellaneous Crew.  Why is that?  Script Supervisor is a 1 person department.  I don't see why couldn't be as a Script Dept.  

Thank you again for care and for the new information.
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So I noticed that now Location Managers have their own category? Script Supervisors have been fighting very hard for this same respect. For clearly YEARS. Please can we finally have our own category? Since you used Location Managers as an example and now they DO have their own? 

http://locationmanagers.org/imdb-creates-location-management-category/
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Go in and put your listing where you want it. IMDB is not going to make a category for us anytime soon. I prefer to be in camera department so that is where i list it.
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IMDb addresses this point in the final section oft the Submission Guide: Miscellaneous Crew where they state :
We are aware that every department is important, and the presence of a job in this list should not in any way be seen as an attempt to trivialize it. Over time, we have split a number of job categories out of this list, and we intend to split even more out in the future as time permits.
IMDb uses the terms Other Crew and Miscellaneous Crew interchangeably and with no apparent rhyme or reason. For example the title of the Guide linked above uses Miscellaneous, but the links to it from the  Data Submission Guides page are Other Crew
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Thank you for your response.   I hope they can split it soon, Location Managers too and many other Key Positions.  

Please understand why it bothers me.  Consider that IMDB  "Other Crew" or "Miscellaneous Crew" are only (as I can see) the Location Managers, the production assistants and us.  I know Production Assts. are important and without them, we can't make it happen.  I started as a production assistant so I respect it even more, but Script Supervisor is a Key Position.  When a client looks for my name, the first thing you see in the profile is my full name and under says "Miscellaneous Crew", rather than Script Supervisor".  It's included on the credits, but still says MC.

However, the other Key Positions that are out of this group includes assistants, there is a space to put it under the department and not located under the Other/"Miscellaneous Crew.  Why is that?  Script Supervisor is a 1 person department.  I don't see why couldn't be as a Script Dept.  

Thank you again for care.
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Linda,
Miscellaneous Crew is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than the few roles you mention.....for all categories there is the option to add a title not included in the handful of titles in the dropdown (for all categories it is pretty limited).

For Misc Crew, there are currently 55,079 different jobs identified in that category.....which sort of explains why they don't all get added to the drop down menu!

But, like I say.....I do agree with your point - I'm not sure how long it has been since IMDb last looked at their data grouping categories......

bob
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Thank you for the information.  I'll appreciate it.  
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We do understand your position. However, it is likely to be quite a while before anything happens.

Adding a new section is not a simple process. Programming changes need to be made throughout the entire Update system, to the display processes, and to other sections. Somebody needs to be allocated to process the new section - and it may require a new person to be hired.

IMDb did some preliminary work on creating 4 new Sections:  Production Department, Location Management, Electrical Department, and Script and Continuity Department a couple of years ago. However, the changes to the Update system, which was old and outdated were extremely complex. A change in one place was likely to create problems in others. IMDb had been looking at updating the Update system for many reasons (support of Unicode hopefully being one), and decided that it would make sense to put the addition of the new sections on hold and reprogram the Update system first.

IMDb is currently in the process of creating this new system and moving the various sections to it. Only once this is complete will they look again at splitting out these sections. They are unlikely to give any estimates of the timeline, but my personal guess is that it will be at least a year, likely more, for the entire system to be moved. (Note: this is only a guess, based on previous timelines, and is most definitely not in any way official.) 
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Hello DavidAH - I'm curious, what exactly is a 'Champion'? Do you work for IMDB? If so, what is your role please? With regards to a new section for Script Supervisors I'm keen to know who makes the decisions - I am a SS and therefore have a professional interest in how my credits are viewed by potential employees. I do hope IMDB are still looking into taking us out of 'other' or 'misc' and an update would be appreciated please. Thank you.
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Champion is just a user like you or me that answers a lot of questions on this forum. Staff are clearly noted as staff.

Beyond that, IMDB pages should not be viewed as resumes, you can create and upload your resume through IMDBpro as a separate feature and have a lot more customization to how you want your history presented there. The name pages simply have a lot more limitations, the IMDB website was first built in the early '90s and updating it in the way you request is far more labor intensive than it would be with modern code. It's basically archaic but making sweeping changes would risk losing millions of database entries and 20+ years worth of data. It's a slow multi-year process for the small staff here to get any major site updates completed.

As David noted, your issue is not unknown, it's just not going to be changed very quickly.
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Go in and put your listing where you want it. IMDB is not going to make a category for us anytime soon. I prefer to be in camera department so that is where i list it.
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I disagree that Script should be its own department. The script supervisor is a one-person team that I believe should be credited in the Assistant Director department, as that is the crew member most relevant to their work. It's ridiculous that Script Supervisor is not granted the respect of other positions on IMDb and I think this should be changed as soon as possible.
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The division into the various sections has as much to do with processing as with the reality within the actual business, so 'respect' has nothing to do with it. As IMDb explicitily states in the About this list section of the Submission Guide: Miscellaneous Crew :
We are aware that every department is important, and the presence of a job in this list should not in any way be seen as an attempt to trivialize it. Over time, we have split a number of job categories out of this list, and we intend to split even more out in the future as time permits.
However setting up a new section requires a lot of work, and IMDb's programmers are currently involved in a rewrite of the Update system, so most other non-urgent work is on the back burner.
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It could be under AD's, Script/Writers or even Post Department (considering our report will be sending straight to the editor). Anyway, department or not, is a key position and yes it should be credited. Thanks, Clayton.
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It's common to have more than one person in this category. A lot of projects will have second unit script supervisor or assistants
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Go in and put your listing where you want it. IMDB is not going to make a category for us anytime soon. I prefer to be in camera department so that is where i list it.
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Sorry Carolyn, but it doesn’t work like that (and it’s a bad advise, to be honest). The system, nor data editors, won’t allow script supervisors to be added to the category such as ”camera”. As you can pretty much see from your own name page.
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This is in response to DavidAH...I actually believe that it has everything to do with respect and acknowledgment of where we fit in the industry as Department Heads. You would not think of placing ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD on the Miscellaneous List. It happens to also be a department whereby a great majority are women and NOT men. So I suggest you get with the times and fix this disrespectful error.