Security, Controls, Protection, & Ownership of Data

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Does IMDB need better security protocols so that owners of the projects (as in Executive Producer/Director heads like myself) are the only ones allowed to change them?  A cast member's mom accidentally uploaded a photo of her daughter's as our main photo for the movie which is harmful to branding. She said more than once and I quote: "I literally just clicked add photo to her own page".  Let's also hope that IMDB gets this corrected fast (I submitted a temporary pic for now to replace it), as cast members should not be allowed to replace the Director's photos with their own. Having worked in the IT world for many years, there is no excuse for these type of process failures. It's usually due to a failure to build into place basic protocols and this can cause financial, reputational and other risk failure modes which could easily lead to lawsuits. IMDB needs to protect their reputation and their business by repairing this problem. If IMDB decides to allow people to change photos against the will of the Producer/Director, I have no doubt that will have financial/reputational impacts especially during the marketing phase which is about to start, and we would have no choice but to sue. Please repair this now, and / or tell us how we can lock down our information and photos and materials as the owners of the production.  
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James, I will address your points.

"Does IMDB (sic) need better security protocols so that owners of the projects (as in Executive Producer/Director heads like myself) are the only ones allowed to change them?  ". No as this would prevent people from adding images to older titles or titles that are in the public domian.

"A cast member's mom accidentally uploaded a photo of her daughter's as our main photo for the movie which is harmful to branding. She said more than once and I quote: "I literally just clicked add photo to her own page". It sounds like she DID upload her daughter's picture to her daughter's name page (which she probably paid to do so) but hse may have tagged the image with your film, possibly causing it to appear on the title page. If that picture os just of her and has nothing to do with the film then it can be untagged. I have looked just now at https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8088698/reference
and can only see three images, (i) the poster, (ii) the image taken from the poster and (iii) a still image from the film with 3 actress names tagged. Where is the phto that you do not think should be seen on there?

You say "cast members should not be allowed to replace the Director's photos with their own" but does this even happen?  It hasn't happened in your case, has it? I believe that you have only complained of a photo being added, not of photos disappearing.

"If IMDB decides to allow people to change photos against the will of the Producer/Director, I have no doubt that will have financial/reputational impacts especially during the marketing phase which is about to start, and we would have no choice but to sue." Again, no one is changing photos in your case, are they? Also, on what grounds are you going to sue?
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I don't understand.
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If yu need to be the owner of a film to upload photos onto the film's IMDb page, public domain works would not have any owners to do that.
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Okay. I see your interpretation, but if a film is in the public domain, everybody would be able to upload photos to that film's page, since that is what public domain is all about. It's kind of like a wildcard.
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Ownership (even mere license) as a concept implies special restriction, so lack of ownership implies lack of special restriction, leaving only restriction imposed by civil services or whatever.
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Yes, of course, but it depends upon the jurisdiction and the type of "property" or "custody". Usually the next of kin inherits. When material goes into the public domain, the policies of use imposed by an owner or custodian disappear. Things like copyrights and patents expire (in the United States, as we know), so the corresponding arts and innovations can go into the public domain before the holder even dies.
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Please see JamesMMM's answer above which pretty much summarizes our official position (thanks)

While we are sorry for the inconvenience caused, the system is operating as intended.  Here's what happened ...

Yesterday, an official representative of a cast member with an IMDbPro account, uploaded a still image from the title concerned featuring the cast member (and two others).  She correctly tagged the people appearing in the image and the title from which it came. Since the filmmakers had not yet uploaded their own primary image to IMDb, this was the only image attached to the title.  Since titles which lack primary images look bare and unappealing, our system will automatically promote non-poster images to the main poster slot until such time as a poster is uploaded.  This all that happened here -- easily fixable (as it was, on the same day) by the upload of an actual poster. 

In future, we recommend uploading your poster artwork as soon as a draft is available to avoid this scenario. The best way to control your primary poster (and upload trailers and other video content) is to apply for a free IMDb Scorecard account.  Please see https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/industry-professional/imdb-title-scorecard/GR6ELNEMQZADBQ...
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and we would have no choice but to sue

If I got $1 for every time I saw this I would be a millionaire. 

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Since Col Needham, IMDB's official rep, has referenced JamesMMM's post, I have screenshot both for official records. I also have our official responses to each of JamesMMM's comments for our records as well, but not posting here.  IMDB, and their forum helpers, feel lawsuits are funny and that they have no obligation to respect another's works, reputation, or the financial impact to others. Duly noted and recorded. Thank you for your time. You may close this topic at this time.
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Jeorj, he was already threatening to sue in his original post before anyone had replied to him.
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James F Moran, I responded to the points you raised after being invited to do so (by virtue of being a community member). If you have actually prepared a response, why don't you share them with us?

By the way, you did threaten to sue the IMDb when you stated that you "we would have no choice but to sue" if the IMDb allows the public to uploads pictures onto the IMDb (which it does). Also, Jeorj gave his view as to what rights he believes the IMDb had over the content of its own website and he did so quite clearly and helpfully. I was not surprised to see you fail to thank.

And for your information, if an action of the IMDb or a submission to the IMDb causes a film-maker a financial loss, that does not automatically entitle you to claim for compensation. If your film is completed and it turns out not to be very good (and if the screenwriter was also responsible for the summaries that are published on the official website as well as on the IMDb, there really is not much hope of the film being any good) and consequenlty a number of people post some really negative reviews on the IMDb about resulting in a large drop in dowloads, you do know that you won't be able to claim a cent, don't you?

By the way, when you went to the costume supplier and said taht you wanted to soem nazi costumes for some "role play", you should have explained further as to what you wanted them for. I am pretty sure that nazi soldiers in the "holocaust era" did not have outwardly facing zips.
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Most likely the IMDb company indemnifies itself against claims of tort of such a nature relating to protection of IMDb pages from the inclusion of gallery items that are merely unrelated to a given title or name.
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If you would have just given me your policy or thoughts that would have been professional, but you have spent time mocking my comments and now you turn to insulting my film. I could have told you that we aren't a big budget, Hollywood studio, and that many of the costumes were put together by loving hands who wanted to make a difference - African Americans, Jews, Christians, many veterans, and others.  Because our state wanted to remove the Holocaust from its textbooks, I set about to make a movie in memory of the Jewish people and an African American veteran, as well as the Netherlands Resistance members. You have ripped upon me repeatedly because I look to protect this film, my work of love upon  behalf of these groups.  Have you forgotten recent history? Well, I happen to know there are a lot more Nazis in this country, especially in my state. I look to protect this group of actors and crew members's hard work from potential sabotage by the hand of Nazi sympathizers and neo-Nazis who are fully capable of hacking the site. I spent my vacation and money from a savings account self-funding this short film. For this, you would ridicule me and mock our uniforms. I can tell you other 'goofs' as well. Our budget was so low that IMDB wouldn't even post it. I do not know who you men really are, but you are definitely not the most compassionate and caring men I have ever met.  I wonder which one of you would have used your savings account and vacation days to help speak out against hate and to speak out for African Americans, Jews, and others who have real concerns?  Which one of you ever has? Raise your hand.
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Wait. What is going on?
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