Seriously, censorship.......... what's this the new Trumpistan?

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IMDb is practicing some sort of censorship lately, so long story, short : I submit a review and got rejected ( first time ever) with the fallowing explanation:
" Reason Does not meet contribution guidelines.

Your contribution has been declined.Your submission conflicted with one or more of our policies as stated in our User Review Submission guide Please review these policies before submitting again. "

So I review those policies and nothing to ME seems conflicting. Maybe, IMDb should be more precise, if they tuck the time to send a reply. 

The review was for "The Dead Nation (2017)" " title/tt6855898" AND this is the review :

 "No one in the right mind will question, the fate and suffering of Romanian Jews, deportations and the killing in Transnistria and the fact that very few of responsible, paid for their action.

What is bothering me, for start, is the translation; Tara Moarta is one thing and The Dead Nation is a total different thing (Natiunea Moarta), of course we can hide behind a concept like "artistic license" that can be interpreted a bit differently (malicious even); specially when is first of many mistranslations. For example: at min. 24 " D-le Jidan, mai Jidane, and hi, sictir Jidane" ; now in english subtitles we get: " Mr. dirty Jew, you dirty Jew, and F**k off, dirty Jew" and as far as I can tell we have the same issue in Spanish and Norwegian subtitles; in Romanian narration we don't hear and is NOT imply the word"dirty", Romanian for (murdar , jegos). It is like the documentary has a dual purpose........... hence interpretations.

Another issue I find it with the pictures and the poster choice; The poster, 4 poorly equip romanian privates ( clearly second rate solders) and two Luftwaffe support on a bike (for romanian privates is probably their firth encounter with a bike). This type of souvenir photos are very common for that period, in there thousands. Where is the connection or some sort of allegory...
The choise of pictures is also questionable,at least, why they chose Slobosia ? Is like choosing 1930 Fort Worth or Queens slum, to represent USA on that period.

Picture and Photoshop: Mr. Mario-Cezar Popescu used the same Macro for pictures border, the one with the edge cracks, personally I don't see the necessity or the usefulness in this case.

The narrative .............. is more like swiss cheese, picking some events, meanwhile ignoring others, that should be in the story and defenilly they are in Dr. Emil Dorian journal i.e. Aug.30, 1940 or May, June 1944 (Jew deportation to Auschwitz from northern Transilvania, by Adm. Horty).


The narrative is also, locking an intro  like antisemitism in Romania fall of the sky, it just happens, no short factual history mention, just establish a flow for the movie. 

Antisemitism in post WWI Romania was no different that of any other country in the region. And the above statement can be extended well into 1980s. A distinctive characteristic of Romanian antisemitism can be summarized as following: "Yes, Jew are bad, BUT MY JEW IS ONE OF THE GOOD ONES!!! "  and anyone from ION the farmer, to Marshal Antonescu (The Leader), to King Michel, to Queen Helena and to head of Orthodox Church, had ONE. And when the communists come in, the story repeats until they sold what was left of the Romanian Jews (450, 000) to Israel.

The narrative is also, lacking an end, like how successful Romanian Jews were (were and are) in Israel and not only. 

Convenient omissions and some fibs"


The "dirty" half of me, like the other half is very against censorship, I confronted   for over 25 years then and I know how much damage can do, like its relative  "The fibs".
I m just hopping that IMDb will reconsider and improve their position.

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Hi Benmo,

I must say I like your writing. It is very descriptive. Taught. Focused. And a very interesting read.

Unfortunately a review it's not. It is a very good statement on Subtitles, race relations, history lessons, and complaints about lack of history, Photo-shopping, Movie Poster Selections, and your not liking the location shooting locales.

You don't really review it. You just complain about it.

This is not to be taken as an attack.
It is just pointing out the obvious.
Sorry,
Cheers
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Well, looking over the User Review Guidelines, I would guess that the violations might relate to either or both of these:
  • Refrain from including profanity, obscenities, or spiteful remarks in either the body or header of your review. 
  • Do not include personal opinions on real life events or subject matter on which a film is based.
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Hi Ed,

 I appreciate your POV, but in my times  that used to be call a review; I do NOT complain, I do criticize, I point out what I don't like  and/or it could be done better.( I may be wrong, but thats not the point). 
 To pointing out the obvious:there is NO rules that mention reviews had to be positive ONLY . 
 
Never, was in my to mind, a hint of idea to take your reply (and PeterD's) as an attack, by itself, obviously, it's pointing to very outdated PR tactics of turning the table, (It still call that?)

An advise from on half Jew (just half because came from male lineage), consult your lawyers. if they can find something slightly antisemitic, I thing not, plus IMDb it cannot hide from the first amendment.

All the best,

Cheerio

P.S.
 and yes I Do know about the new trend: private corporation, censorship and so call community standards.
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This is a very unrealistic telling of a story set in...................................

The direction is disjointed and is incomplete in its portrayal of factual data.

It in no way depicts post WWI Romania with any accuracy.

Subtitled versions are atrocious.

There is no real end or a satisfactory conclusion, although real history shows us that there was.



I just said pretty much the same thing.

It's a crappy Movie.


My Review above would pass.
No one said it had to say it had to be positive. It just needs less diatribe. Things that are not relevant to a review need to be left out.
Cheers.
Happy Reviewing.




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I wanted to send something similar, but I troth, is not fair. You are right, in short is the same thing, but not for people with not so much knowledge of period and place. It is also offensive for people who lived and survived those times. Has a propaganda sense.

"My Review above would pass. " well, Thank you, so much !!! You made my point.

OK then lets do a different  reviewing.... how about "Der Hauptmann"  aka "The Captain" (title/tt6763252) .....  similarities with  Pasolini s Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom...

or, we can debate on how much the use of black and white in today s filmaking, has an effect 4K TV manufacturing. or that all those black and white new movies, reflect on lack of creativity on today s directors (in 2018, 178 movies were made in B/W). Some are even nominated for Oscar.

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Hey, Benmo Ben.
What movie is that review for?
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Ed Jones (XLIX)

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Jeorj not his review.
The review above.
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".....and yet they didn't think to have somebody with at least the qualifications of a middle school science teacher read over the screenplay."  
(Io 2019)........................"

Was in text, no?
 movie is Io (2019)
and IMDb link  tt3256226/

You are welcome.


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If it's any consolation, That was not a review either.
I submitted it for reevaluation.