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Three films (all from India or Turkey) entered the Top 250 Movies list simultaneously, a day or two ago. Two of these films have been on the list before but had subsequently been removed. I just wonder whether this sudden appearance is due to some kind of glitch.
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Thanks for highlighting -- this is not a glitch. Please see http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?votestopfaq and in particular

Finally, please remember that our voting system is always being improved and the formulas used to calculate ratings (and defeat ballot stuffing) are tweaked regularly -- weighted ratings are computed daily, so when the formula is changed the ratings will also change even without new votes.
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I don't understand why these film have suddenly qualified for the Top 250, especially at such high positions. If IMDb have actually managed to 'defeat ballot stuffing', then why do all three films still have such inflated scores. The fact that the Top 1000 users have rated them 5.9, 5.5, and 3.9 says it all really. Please remove them, as you correctly did so before, and bring some integrity back to the Top 250.
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I feel like one thing you could do, to start with, is flag anything that doesn't follow a rough bell curve.  It would at least stave off a bit of this ballot stuffing--you could algorithmically determine that something has a spike of 10's with no 9's.  Natural voting tends to look a bit like a normal distribution, in my experience.

I'm guessing that producers are paying kids in these countries (where it is very inexpensive to do so) to make votes with actual legitimate looking accounts?  Is it possible to suspend accounts that appear to be doing this?  Block off entire countries until you get it figured out?  

If not, it would be nice to have a configuration where users can just filter out votes from other countries in their own view of the site.  Maybe make it simple and let you view from a particular country you choose.  It would be interesting to see, for example, the German vote for Run Lola Run, so there would be a side benefit. that way, too.
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Please, Col Needham. See all the new replies and understand the problem. It's evident that indian and turkish fan communities are pushing those obscure (worldwide-wise) movies to levels which they don't belong. And it's going for years now. Instead of solve the problem which puts The Chaos Class above The Godfather, you include some of these movies on the Top 250, ruining the list credibility. 

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I agree completely.  I used to sort using the imdb.com/search/title and then sort by user rating for films that have at least 5000 votes.

This used to give me a good list with a fair number of foreign films.  Thanks to Turkish national pride, I have to trudge through 50% of the top all being obscure films that I don't have access to.  

I want to know what are some great lesser known foreign films, but this behavior has made me only consider a film if it has 1000 US ratings.  Can we get a sort function that lets us only consider the US ratings?  
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Please, clean this up. Must be easy to expel the users who provide (probably for a variety of Indian movies) unrealistic ratings and thereby mess up the top movies listings. Not doing so does harm the usability of IMDB!
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How to reply directly? I only know how to comment?
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And now 2 more: Eskiya and Hera Pheri, from Turkey and India, respectively. IMDb, please stop this madness! They are obscure foreign films with no more than a couple thousand votes from US users. This data (https://d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net/s3_images/1459867/RackMultipart20160802-94524-1wyl153-ratings7...) clearly shows how Turkish and Indian films receive a disproportionate number of 10 star votes - i.e. they are victims of ballot stuffing.

Merely improving the voting system does not somehow make these trashy films worthy of being on the Top 250. At this rate, the Top 250 will become meaningless within just a matter of weeks. Remember: its whole purpose is to represent the opinion of the masses, not some small minority.
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As a person who has actually SEEN the majority of these Bollywood/Turkish films, I can attest that they, for the most part, do not stand up to the quality of other films in the Top 250. I worry that this new move to reinstate them into the Top 250 is more a political move than one regarding quality. It just so happens that an "English Top 250" surfaced only a few days ago -- perhaps that is IMDb's move to appease users like you and me who will decry the Bollywood takeover of this list. I've been referring to this list almost daily for the last 6+ years.....and just recently had seen all 250 of the movies on it. But now, if this is the direction it's going to take, it may be time to say goodbye.
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Where is this English top 250?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Re-shaping of the Top 250.

With all due respect to all employees at IMDb, my favorite website, the general Top 250 Movies list could become a travesty if too many films can edge their way in simply due to extreme-rating by highly devoted fans. Of the films that have entered the list over the last few days, Hera Pheri currently has a rating of 10 from 36.7% of the users who've rated it. For Andaz Apna Apna it's 46.7%. For My Father and My Son it's 48.4%..........and for Eskiya it's 49.6%. Forty-nine and sixth-tenths percent.

Think about how high that last one is, particularly. Even The Godfather Part II and The Dark Knight can't boast such numbers, and they sit at #'s 3 and 4 on the Top 250, respectively.  A key difference between these
and the newly-entered films, however, is that Godfather II and The Dark Knight
have incredibly bountiful and diverse vote counts, with each having hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of votes, while Eskiya, for instance, sits at only about 35,000, with fewer than 1,600 of those votes coming from "US users".

I understand that one can't make apples-to-apples comparisons of movie ratings on IMDb. I know that the weighting process involved in statistics can be a complex one, and that there are additional injustices to account for (e.g. ballot stuffing) that I can't necessarily see as merely a user, and not an administrator. I've been using this site, daily, for over 7 years, and I want to iterate that I've loved many of the foreign films I've seen, including some from India, Turkey, etc. My concern here does not regard ethnicity or language or race or even personal cinematic taste -- it only concerns my opinion of statistical integrity.

And for that reason, I want to caution IMDb against tweaking their formula so that highly-rated films mainly by virtue of a narrow, zealous fan base can make it onto the general Top 250 list. This could eventually lead to a list that's dominated by a rabid few, rather than by a steady many. I respect the founders and operators of IMDb tremendously -- for they are running a website that I consider to be among the best on the World Wide Web. I will continue to be a fan of the site and of cinema in general, for the rest of my life. But I hope that you, IMDb, consider what I have written here.
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Thanks for the detailed feedback which we will review with the appropriate team.  [We have merged your comments into this thread to keep things in one place]. 
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Why you created an Top Indian Movies Chart if you keep indian movies in both Top's?! 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Turkish super overrated movies ! Only Fake 10/10 votes..

Why IMDB system do not prevent from fake voters which vote only 10/10 ?
A turkish movie release on 4 Nov. recived 25k votes and have 98% a rating of 10/10. Thats right ! What do you want more ... ! 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5813916



Plese fix this huge probleme with Turkish and Indian who vote 10/10 , the system is a mess , i cant be silent when i see this ! 

Another movie from Turkey": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252487 had 27k votes and 9.5/10 rating , if you see Demographic breakdowns have only 10/10. Investigate this please !
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Thinking about it, I simply cannot understand why IMDb feel the need to add these films to the Top 250. No other film site considers these films as being amongst the greatest ever made; just this one. I understand that the whole point of IMDb is to allow the public to vote for their favourite films, independent of any other critical opinion there may be; however, the films in question here have been voted onto the Top 250 by a very specific demographic who do not represent the opinions of the IMDb community.

An Official Rep said here (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/indian-and-turkish-movies-on-top-250) about an English Top 250 as if there is some kind of prejudice against foreign movies; actually, what I want is a Top 250 that shows the best films from all over the world. But that does not mean we should allow every film with a high rating onto the list, since many have obviously been subjected to questionable voting patterns and therefore should not qualify. Otherwise 'The Chaos Class' would sit at #1, which would be tragic.
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I think we should continue to create new posts about the subject until IMDb understands what is the problem. I can't believe that they didn't get it yet. 
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They got it but they consider legit to have some duplicate indian movies in both Top250 Movies and Top250 Indian Movie , in the meantime a new indian movie enter Top250 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1280558/ and turkish movie got more fake votes http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5813916 . I hope Trump will reform IMDB !!!
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5297256/?ref_=ttexrv_exrv_tt is another one.  There is no way that this film is that highly rated, based on other reviews I have seen of it on other sites.
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Yes but at least it hasn't entered the Top 250 - nor will it at just 3000 votes. We can safely ignore films like this one; however, those that appear on the Top 250 cause much better films to be displaced and compromise its integrity.
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Actually this is probably the perfect film to pay attention to.  I agree with the logic of what you are saying, but hear me out :)!  It's almost 100% guaranteed that almost every one of the 10 star votes on this is bogus.  So you should be able to use it to start getting a profile of the accounts that are being used to game the system, because it's a large enough sample that you're pretty much guaranteed to see some similarity between the accounts (like they only give 10s, or they vote at a particular time, or who knows what), that could be used in an algorithm to block them (or, better yet, silently exclude them from ever actually counting).
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Now they allow Documentary in Top250 ...... Koyaanisqatsi (1982) is on #176 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085809 WHY ?!
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That's because someone edited the info about Koyaanisqatsi by taking off the movie of the "documentary" category. Which is absolutely wrong, of course. 
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If you really have reviewed our 'detailed feedback [...] with the appropriate team', it would be nice to hear what conclusion you have come to, and receive closure on an issue that is clearly relevant to a number of people. I won't bother repeating the points that have already been so eloquently made, but I do feel such detailed feedback deserves more than just a one line response. Thanks in advance.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled 10.0. Is it normal?.

For you guys at IMDb that thinks that the extremely high ratings for turkish and indian movies are normal, even including some of these movies in the top 250, which destroys all the ranking credibility. Do you REALLY think that a 10.0 rating with more than 40.000 votes is something normal? Or you gonna finally work and think of some way to avoid such systematically overating of movies from these two countries? Thanks. Here is the link for the title The Mountain II, probably the greatest movie ever made (not): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5813916/?ref_=adv_li_tt
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The rating system is faulty for years , we have to accept it and to hope that turkish and indians wont overrate all of theirs movies in future !
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And they just put another overrated indian movie on top 250: Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.
I really don't understand. It seems to me as IMDb is run by a bunch of technicians, and not by movie lovers. Once again: please, stop ruining the top 250. 
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This is an absolute joke and it has to stop. IMDb are either incredibly naïve or having a laugh at the expense of true movie lovers, but regardless this cannot continue. I have long been a fan of IMDb but this... nobody asked for this.
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Some Indian Movies are very good , like Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.  , A Wednesday , The Bandit , Like Stars on Earth . I think some of them deserve to be in Top250. All i want is to improve the rating system to prevent fake voters ... !

They put again Koyaanisqatsi (1982) in Top250 which i saw it and is a documentary like Baraka (1992) , i m not agree with that !
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The Bandit is a Turkish movie. It is one of the greatest Turkish movies ever made. And also, IMDB Top 250 is not a good list at all, it will be something like ''MARVEL Top 250'' in few decades.
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Lol you do realize as of now there is only one Marvel movie on the list, right?
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Out of the 250 titles currently in the Top 250, only 2 of them are Turkish and 11 of them are from India, so I don't think it's as big a problem as some people seem to think.
(also, I don't think Indian title Andaz Apna Apna will be in the Top 250 much longer: http://250.took.nl/title/tt0109117)
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I agree the current amount of India/Turkish films is perfectly reasonable. But The question for mine is why are they on it at all when there is an Indian Top 250 listed right underneath the standard Top 250? Shouldn't it be either/or?

Then there is the ongoing question of legitimate votes and eligibility. Is the IMDb formula rigorous enough to withstand a film culture at a scale of India?
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The Top 250 is a list of all films which IMDb users feel are good. It doesn't exclude any time periods or countries. That there is also a Top 250 for a specific country (India) doesn't change that.
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So what do you see as the reason behind having a very specific national list (India) under the international list?
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India is a big market and I think IMDb wants the Bollywood lovers on board as much as possible. A few months ago, the "India Spotlight" (http://www.imdb.com/india) was created, along with the India Top 250 and I think it was done for that reason.
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Then we would agree that revenue and business is a factor in the recent promotion and presence of Bollywood cinema on IMDb? Do you think it's possible this focus could lead to questionable methods of promotion (e.g. unjustified ratings)?
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I think the most straightforward solution is that it's inexpensive to pay people in those countries to game the system and up the ratings in hopes that people will come to your crappy movie.  Imagine you are a movie producer and you have a relatively inexpensive way to get thousands of people to hear about your movie.  Would you use it, or scrupulously avoid corrupting the original intent of the site?

I don't think this is something IMDB is doing, I think it's something they are failing to prevent.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Urgent ! Massive Fake turkish voters !.

Several days ago was release a turkish movies , which now has 40k voters and all 40.000 rated the movie 10/10. I never saw this before , please investigate this becouse is not possible at 40k voters to have only 10/10 and general rating 10/10.

The movie is :  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5813916/



Note : Please don't merge this topic with other Indian Topic !
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They just did it. 
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They did becouse they cannot fix the rating ,  now that movie is nr 1 movie in rating of all time , and so will remain forever , a perfect 10/10.
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I think it's possible that this movie have so much 10 ratings, considering the fact that way high over the standard national pride that Turkish people possess. I don't think hackers or bots have little or no effect on this ridiculously high rating.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled RIP Top 250..

Besides a lot of (probably) bad indian and turkish movies on top 250, now we have Koyaanisqatsi, a documentary. If top 250 is open now for documentaries, why there is only one on it? Where is the criteria? Open once and for all the top 250 for indian and turkish movies with ratings inflated by hackers and for documentaries so we will definitely understand that you at IMDb are trying to put an end to this feature. And then we will move on. 
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I'm sure Koyaanisqatsi being on the Top 250 is just a temporary problem and will go away soon now it has the documentary tag again. As for Dag II: it is clearly a victim of ballot stuffing, but it also isn't on the Top 250, so it isn't relevant to this thread. I suggest you just ignore it, and take comfort knowing it will fade into obscurity.

The fact that the Top 250 is being ruined by shitty Indian and Turkish films is the matter at hand here. They do not deserve their place on the Top 250, because, regardless of their quality, they are only there because of a select few who are ballot stuffing these titles with extreme prejudice.

It seems IMDb are now ignoring this thread though, which is a shame since I think we deserve some closure. I worry that this may be a permanent change to Top 250, with the addition of an English Top 250 being used as some kind of justification. I recommend TSPDT as a very good alternative...
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They have created a special Indian Top250 Movies  , but some movies from that top is in Top250 Movies , that i dont understand , i m not against to be some Indian Movie in Top250 !
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But the fact that this movie don't appear on top 250 don't solve the problem, since every time I use the "advanced search" feature to find the best movies in any given date and with some minimum number of votes, the turkish and indian movies always appear above the others. It sucks. It compromises IMDb as a reliable source of information. 
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No sign of this stopping: Sholay has now appeared at #141, although I must concede this is probably the most deserving Indian film to appear, ranking 1st in the BFI's poll of the Top 10 Indian Films. A new film is appearing roughly every day though and with it goes some more of the list's credibility. It is quite saddening to see some obscure Turkish drama or cheap Bollywood comedy rank above truly great films like Taxi Driver, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Chinatown, The Deer Hunter, Tokyo Story -- the list just goes on... I would honestly call this a minor tragedy.
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Is a good thing that they show up in Top250 , becouse people will drop the high rating and in a few years it will leave Top250 . I m concerne abou Turkish movies now , becouse you cannot drop that 10/10 rating The Mountain II (2016) even in 100 years . Another high rated turkish movie :  The Chaos Class (1975)  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252487 .

Andaz Apna Apna (1994) drop 10 places in Top250 and drop drom 8.7 to 8.6
A Wednesday (2008) drop from 8.5 to 8.4 all this in a short period !

New Indian Movie in Top250: Rang De Basanti (2006)
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They probably have suffered some criticism for taking indian movies off the top 250 and for creating an specifically indian movies chart and are now trying to compensate. But the point (simple and unquestionable) is that the indian (and turkish) movies on IMDb have their ratings over-inflated (by hackers or by an excessively organized and loving fan base). That's the whole point. And IMDb staff didn't learn how to deal with it yet. They think about the question on matters of political correctness and not on a discrepancy that puts the site credibility in jeopardy. The largest and most important data base movie site of the world and they are acting like amateurs. 
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another one guys http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073707/
you watch one they add two ^^
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled top 250 - nine titles now.

Last week Angelo Pilla raised an issue regarding 4 titles in the IMDb top 250 that came out of nowhere - overseas titles. This has now risen to 9, within the course of three weeks. Can this be reviewed to ensure it's not a case of voter fraud of some kind (and while this obviously wouldn't apply to all nine, I'm sure you know it's rare for one or two to end up that high in the IMDb top 250, but nine in three weeks (all older titles) seems nigh impossible.
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All these titles have previously been on the Top 250, but were removed because they suffered from ballot stuffing. Sadly, IMDb are now having a change of heart, and are saying that they do in fact belong on the Top 250; but their unwillingness to discuss the issue means that nobody really knows why.

By the way, it was Phil Leguichard who raised this particular issue, although similar problems regarding films in the Top 250 have been raised before; my board, https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/indian-films-in-top-250 certainly sparked some discussion.

Perfect Spirit made a good point that these films are slowly dropping; all of them apart from Like Stars on Earth are already on a downward trend. It would be even better though if IMDb just listened to us and did the decent thing by removing them like they did before.
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I assumed the Indian Top 250 was created to fix this problem, and yet these movies are still in the IMDB Top 250! Why do they get to be on both lists? Giving them their own list is a great idea, but letting them stay on the regular Top 250 defeats the purpose entirely. A new Indian film, "Hera Pheri" was just allowed into the Top 250 at #122, surpassing films such as Blade Runner, Die Hard, Heat, Fargo, No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, The Wizard of Oz, The Revenant, Platoon, Rocky, The Terminator, The Thing, Jaws, and Jurassic Park. This is a huge problem that needs to be fixed. The way it is being handled is frustrating to say the least.
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The only way to solve it is to have an English language Top 250 and a foreign language Top 250.
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True , insteed they created a Indian Top but they kept Indian movies in regular Top
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I don't think that would solve the problem. What we need is a Top 250 that shows the best films as voted for by regular users, regardless of what country they may come from. Splitting the Top 250 though would mean neither list would truly show us the greatest films.

The problem with these Indian and Turkish films is that they clearly suffer from ballot stuffing. Regardless of their quality, this means they do not deserve their place on the list. For a while IMDb kept these titles off the Top 250 - and rightly so; however they have now been put back on for reasons unknown. The way to solve the problem is to remove them again.
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This is really a shame. I hope it will get fixed soon. :-/
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Statistical Impossibility: Film Averaging at 10.0 with over 53,000 votes..

Not a Top 250 issue but the following movie, Dag II (2016), definitely has some credibility issues in its IMDb average rating of 10 (under 53+ thousand votes).



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Another 2 Indian films have now entered, bringing the total to 11 (not including the 2 Indian films that were already on the list). These are Drishyam at #160 and Udaan at #194 - at least they rank lower down the list.

Honestly, I give up. No progress has been made whatsoever. Its been good to see so many people posting though and I hope IMDb listen and do the right thing.
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OK, seriously this is getting ridiculous. Three more today.
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Airlift (2016) this one's gonna be on the list too i can fell it   this is getting ridiculous 
from 224/250 to 214/250
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Most replies on this thread showcase the bigotry of the mostly caucasian users.

Have you ever stopped to consider the possibility that the people who rate such films highly, do so because they genuinely love those films before alleging that they are being paid by the producers?

If IMDb can let every other comic book superhero film enter the list - the ones which cater exclusively to teenagers who have never faced the real world, nor ever want to, mooching on their parents' money - or every other cartoon flick, most of which have the exact same storyline and "values" which do not exist outside the realm of fantasy, these Indian films that are genuinely loved by a large section of world population (even if that section represents only Indians living in India) have every right to appear on this list.

Calling them "undeserving" or "shitty" without knowing anything about them just highlights the privileged first-worlders' bigotry. You have allowed mass-appeasing products like Star Wars and Indiana Jones series in the list, then you should allow Indian films also. Maybe you will even learn something new outside your limited comfort zones.
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Why the f**k they created a special Indian Top250 if they allowed all indian movies in Regular Top250 , IMDB Failed again , remove Indian Top Please !
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If only this extremely high ratings has something to do with love. It is simply impossible to achieve such ratings without some kind of cheat. And IMDb is giving in to these fabricated ratings, unfortunately. 
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It has nothing whatsoever to do with bigotry. I, for myself, am not a US user and I believe the Top 250 is losing more credibility every day, because at this track, you know what you're gonna get: something like 40 Indian or Turkish or Iranian movies on the Top 100!

What you say is wrong, it is possible that some superhero or overhyped new releases get a quick entry on the Top 250, but you forgot an important point: THEY NEVER LAST. "Avengers" and "Deadpool" are no longer in the Top 250. As for the franchise, well, 2 "Indiana Jones" movies out of 4 are listed, only one "Die Hard", one "Rocky", no "Star Wars" prequel. Whatever happens, quality has the last word.

The day, I'll find "The Apy Trilogy" listed in the Top 250, I'll be the first to applaud, but seriously, looking at some posters, while not bad films, it's pretty obvious they are local classics, or cult-classics, but the purpose of the Top 250 isn't to contain the Indian "Hangover" or Turkish "Pretty Woman". I hate to judge a book by the cover but that "Hara Pheri" doesn't look Top 250 material.
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Angelo Pilla

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Ok, now this is getting definitely ridiculous..

Now The Martian and The Revenant (two of the greatest movies of 2015) left the top 250 to give space to two more obscure indian/turkish movies that didn't appear in any international list of "best of the year". IMDb is giving in to these obviously fabricated ratings which are DESTROYING this site credibility. Why don't you end it all for once and give THE CHAOS CLASS the top spot, above The Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather? Or to the incredible The Mountain II, which have a perfectly possible 10.0 rating with 54.897 votes? I'm officially giving up on you, guys. 
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Col Needham, Official Rep

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The IMDb Top Rated Movies list is a global chart derived from votes by regular IMDb voters across the world. 

We are sorry that you are disappointed with the voting and we recommend you look at the new Top Rated English Movies list at http://www.imdb.com/chart/top-english-movies where both The Martian and The Revenant can still be found. 
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Marwan El Bobssi

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first thank you for thinkg of some new other way
but i don't think if this is a good solution
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Angelo Pilla

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It is really amazing that the IMDb staff doesn't understand that these ratings are, at least, highly improbable. I don't want a list of english language movies only. I simply want an accurate list of the best movies around the world, like the top 250 used to be. Wait for some Satyajit Ray movie, like Pather Panchali, to get 25000 votes. Then you can put some real important indian movie on the list, with a rating given by a worldwide audience, not only by a people that simply has a culture of overrate their movies on internet sites. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for some rep to give us some explanation about the 10.0 rating for The Mountain II or the 9.5 given to The Chaos Class. Why these movies are not on top 250 and other overstuffed indian/turkish movies are? Give us a logical explanation for all that and maybe we'll start to understand. 
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Marlon Hattemer

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That reply is infuriating. It doesn't adress the exploitation of the rating system at all. Like Angelo said, separate lists are certainly not a solution!
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Perfect-Spirit

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HaHa If the IMDB owner and staff don't giva shit, then who does , anyway IMDB is more like a joke now , i dont care anymore !
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DannyO MovieGuy

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Lmao they're gonna keep making Top 250 lists until they please everybody instead of just fixing the regular Top 250.
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Stephen Atwood

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Col Needham?  So? You don't believe any one person or one group is gaming/hacking the rating system with bots or worse on these very impossible statistical anomalies?
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Marwan El Bobssi

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yeah we read this like a 100 time still can be hacked

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