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Finally, please remember that our voting system is always being improved and the formulas used to calculate ratings (and defeat ballot stuffing) are tweaked regularly -- weighted ratings are computed daily, so when the formula is changed the ratings will also change even without new votes.
Merely improving the voting system does not somehow make these trashy films worthy of being on the Top 250. At this rate, the Top 250 will become meaningless within just a matter of weeks. Remember: its whole purpose is to represent the opinion of the masses, not some small minority.
With all due respect to all employees at IMDb, my favorite website, the general Top 250 Movies list could become a travesty if too many films can edge their way in simply due to extreme-rating by highly devoted fans. Of the films that have entered the list over the last few days, Hera Pheri currently has a rating of 10 from 36.7% of the users who've rated it. For Andaz Apna Apna it's 46.7%. For My Father and My Son it's 48.4%..........and for Eskiya it's 49.6%. Forty-nine and sixth-tenths percent.
Think about how high that last one is, particularly. Even The Godfather Part II and The Dark Knight can't boast such numbers, and they sit at #'s 3 and 4 on the Top 250, respectively. A key difference between these
and the newly-entered films, however, is that Godfather II and The Dark Knight
have incredibly bountiful and diverse vote counts, with each having hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of votes, while Eskiya, for instance, sits at only about 35,000, with fewer than 1,600 of those votes coming from "US users".
I understand that one can't make apples-to-apples comparisons of movie ratings on IMDb. I know that the weighting process involved in statistics can be a complex one, and that there are additional injustices to account for (e.g. ballot stuffing) that I can't necessarily see as merely a user, and not an administrator. I've been using this site, daily, for over 7 years, and I want to iterate that I've loved many of the foreign films I've seen, including some from India, Turkey, etc. My concern here does not regard ethnicity or language or race or even personal cinematic taste -- it only concerns my opinion of statistical integrity.
And for that reason, I want to caution IMDb against tweaking their formula so that highly-rated films mainly by virtue of a narrow, zealous fan base can make it onto the general Top 250 list. This could eventually lead to a list that's dominated by a rabid few, rather than by a steady many. I respect the founders and operators of IMDb tremendously -- for they are running a website that I consider to be among the best on the World Wide Web. I will continue to be a fan of the site and of cinema in general, for the rest of my life. But I hope that you, IMDb, consider what I have written here.
Why IMDB system do not prevent from fake voters which vote only 10/10 ?
A turkish movie release on 4 Nov. recived 25k votes and have 98% a rating of 10/10. Thats right ! What do you want more ... !
Plese fix this huge probleme with Turkish and Indian who vote 10/10 , the system is a mess , i cant be silent when i see this !
Another movie from Turkey": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252487 had 27k votes and 9.5/10 rating , if you see Demographic breakdowns have only 10/10. Investigate this please !
An Official Rep said here (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/indian-and-turkish-movies-on-top-250) about an English Top 250 as if there is some kind of prejudice against foreign movies; actually, what I want is a Top 250 that shows the best films from all over the world. But that does not mean we should allow every film with a high rating onto the list, since many have obviously been subjected to questionable voting patterns and therefore should not qualify. Otherwise 'The Chaos Class' would sit at #1, which would be tragic.
For you guys at IMDb that thinks that the extremely high ratings for turkish and indian movies are normal, even including some of these movies in the top 250, which destroys all the ranking credibility. Do you REALLY think that a 10.0 rating with more than 40.000 votes is something normal? Or you gonna finally work and think of some way to avoid such systematically overating of movies from these two countries? Thanks. Here is the link for the title The Mountain II, probably the greatest movie ever made (not): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5813916/?ref_=adv_li_tt
Several days ago was release a turkish movies , which now has 40k voters and all 40.000 rated the movie 10/10. I never saw this before , please investigate this becouse is not possible at 40k voters to have only 10/10 and general rating 10/10.
The movie is : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5813916/
Note : Please don't merge this topic with other Indian Topic !
Besides a lot of (probably) bad indian and turkish movies on top 250, now we have Koyaanisqatsi, a documentary. If top 250 is open now for documentaries, why there is only one on it? Where is the criteria? Open once and for all the top 250 for indian and turkish movies with ratings inflated by hackers and for documentaries so we will definitely understand that you at IMDb are trying to put an end to this feature. And then we will move on.
The fact that the Top 250 is being ruined by shitty Indian and Turkish films is the matter at hand here. They do not deserve their place on the Top 250, because, regardless of their quality, they are only there because of a select few who are ballot stuffing these titles with extreme prejudice.
It seems IMDb are now ignoring this thread though, which is a shame since I think we deserve some closure. I worry that this may be a permanent change to Top 250, with the addition of an English Top 250 being used as some kind of justification. I recommend TSPDT as a very good alternative...
Last week Angelo Pilla raised an issue regarding 4 titles in the IMDb top 250 that came out of nowhere - overseas titles. This has now risen to 9, within the course of three weeks. Can this be reviewed to ensure it's not a case of voter fraud of some kind (and while this obviously wouldn't apply to all nine, I'm sure you know it's rare for one or two to end up that high in the IMDb top 250, but nine in three weeks (all older titles) seems nigh impossible.
Not a Top 250 issue but the following movie, Dag II (2016), definitely has some credibility issues in its IMDb average rating of 10 (under 53+ thousand votes).
Honestly, I give up. No progress has been made whatsoever. Its been good to see so many people posting though and I hope IMDb listen and do the right thing.
Have you ever stopped to consider the possibility that the people who rate such films highly, do so because they genuinely love those films before alleging that they are being paid by the producers?
If IMDb can let every other comic book superhero film enter the list - the ones which cater exclusively to teenagers who have never faced the real world, nor ever want to, mooching on their parents' money - or every other cartoon flick, most of which have the exact same storyline and "values" which do not exist outside the realm of fantasy, these Indian films that are genuinely loved by a large section of world population (even if that section represents only Indians living in India) have every right to appear on this list.
Calling them "undeserving" or "shitty" without knowing anything about them just highlights the privileged first-worlders' bigotry. You have allowed mass-appeasing products like Star Wars and Indiana Jones series in the list, then you should allow Indian films also. Maybe you will even learn something new outside your limited comfort zones.
Now The Martian and The Revenant (two of the greatest movies of 2015) left the top 250 to give space to two more obscure indian/turkish movies that didn't appear in any international list of "best of the year". IMDb is giving in to these obviously fabricated ratings which are DESTROYING this site credibility. Why don't you end it all for once and give THE CHAOS CLASS the top spot, above The Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather? Or to the incredible The Mountain II, which have a perfectly possible 10.0 rating with 54.897 votes? I'm officially giving up on you, guys.
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