Several Indian/Turkish films break into Top 250

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Three films (all from India or Turkey) entered the Top 250 Movies list simultaneously, a day or two ago. Two of these films have been on the list before but had subsequently been removed. I just wonder whether this sudden appearance is due to some kind of glitch.
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Hi, I need to clear a few things.
I am Indian Fan and I believe, not all Indian Movies that appear in TOP 250 are bad and I consider some of those movies my all time best, head to head with few Hollywood movies. At the same time I also find it disturbing to see some really bad movies ranked ahead classics like Apu Trilogy. Even in TOP 250 Indian Movies list, I find too many bad movies appearing well above what they deserve.

Some possible solutions I can think of:
1. IMDB to start using Verified user accounts like twitter or other sites(instead of just email verification) and consider only those users to populate TOP 250.
2. Change the qualification criteria for a film in TOP 250. Film/Director needs nominated for at least one award like Oscars, Globes, BEFTA etc.or official selection in Film Festivals or official entries for academy award for foreign language film sent by  respective country.
[Edit:Out of current Top 250, Only 5 Films match above criteria: Rang De Basanti, Like Stars on Earth, Udaan, Lagaan: Once Upon a Time in India(all Indian), The Bandit (Turkish). Only great film misses out is 3 Idiots]

For TOP 250 Indian Movies, consider movies that have been given a National Award/Filmfare Award. We would get a better list.

Also, I feel, rather than 25K Votes, should consider the year in which movie was released, with less value assigned to latest releases, more to older ones. Because of 25 K limit, classics like Sherlock Jr. (1924), The Circus (1928) have not yet made it to the list.
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I like your first suggestion better because there are always movies that are incredibly popular with the audiences yet get no love from critics etc.

But the most important step would be for them to acknowledge the problem instead of telling us to read the FAQ.


I think the vote limit has it's place though. They can always promote movies they feel deserve a spot but lack the votes via articles or badges or something like that.
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If you check the previous pages, I made a similar suggestion and I looked at the foreign movies on IMDb Top 250, none of them wasn't nominated for an international award. Great films are seldom overlooked by critics or film festivals, "Ran", "Rashomon", "Seventh Seal" or "La Strada" were all nominated to prestigious awards. On the basis of these new criteria, all the classic foreign movies would be eligible and that would include Indian masterpieces like "Lagaan", "Salaam Bombay"; "The Apu Trilogy" or "Mother India".
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Do you guys know Letterboxd? It is a great movie site that have the same sense of community that IMDb used to have before it turned into a big business thing. And its "best movies" lists don't have indian and turkish movies in the firsts places. Its rating system is far more better and reliable than IMDb's. Unfortunately, IMDb is not my primary movie site anymore.
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Letterboxd is a great site, I use it far more than IMDb.
So I've been thinking, since IMDb will not remove all the Indian/Turkish movies, how about eliminating just the ones that have only ever been released in their home country. For instance, Hera Pheri was only released in India and yet can be qualified as one of the best movies ever made even though one country has seen it! At least other Bollywood films like Chak de! India and Gangs of Wasseypur have been released in multiple countries. Just get rid of the films that have only been released in one country!
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IMDb needs to rethink the way ratings come in, especiallywith the "popularity" thing. What I mean is I witnessed how in Some east european countries most people tend to vote for a movie on their websites as either 1 or 10, i.e. Don'tlike it / Like it. That's as far as they bother to go, and consequesntly most of their movies get over 85% rating. I think weighting of those votes, especially when someone tends to vote as above, can be significantly lowered unless it's clear a person uses the entire range of ratings or something.
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Okay. I've figured it out. I don't know why IMDb is so obsessed with pleasing India. Either we should just totally ban INDIAN movies from The Top 250 or they should abide with different formulas. For example. Minimum 1 Million votes compared to other movies from other countries. I don't mind if the movies were great but they were crapppp. If you have to include them please include The Apu Trilogy. The only movies from India that are deserving. That shows how competent they are. To say the least. You can't take them seriously.
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Aidan The Lover Boy O'Dwyer

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I am so sick of this.
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There is no way of having a fair Top250. Simple as that. The Indian problem is just one of then. But there is also the people who think anything with Nolan's name in it is gold, there is the comic book DC vs Marvel stupidity and many others.

The point is: let them ruin theTop250, we do not care. What we really need is a better filtering system. And a better filtering system is not one that allows one to filter out countries. Nope. All we really need is a system where we can say "consider only votes from people who gave the following movies a rating higher than 8.0 and disregard all votes from people who gave the following movies a rating higher than 9.0"

See how simple it is? Everybody would have their own Top250, and no matter how many billions of Indian votes come in, it would never be ruined because even if they gave high ratings to movies that are actually good, we would disregard their votes because they also gave high ratings to movies that are not.

With a system like that, finding good movies would be so easy. Lets say I wanna watch a good comedy. All I had to do is to tell the system
  1.  to consider only votes from people who gave high ratings to stuff like "Airplane" and "Monty Python And The Holy Grail",
  2. Disregard votes from anyone who gave high ratings to any movie with Melissa McCarthy
  3. Disregard votes from anyone who gave high ratings to anything containing the name
    Aamir Khan
And that is it: now I would have in my hands the greatest comedies of all time, I mean, comedies that people with the same tastes I have also liked.
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I read most of the comments here and think it sounds rather racist. I've seen a lot of these highly rated films and think they are quite good, or at least as good as a lot of English language films in the list (because there are a lot of English language films in the list I think are pretty mediocre). People need to stop being so American-centric. There are more people living in India than America and they make almost as many films, so why shouldn't there be just as many Indian films on the top 250?

I think the main thing should be that votes from users who have rated many films should have more weight than users who just have a few ratings, in other words from users who signed up for the site just to ballot stuff. If that's the case, which I'm told it is, then I don't see what the problem is.

If these films are really that bad to most people who don't live in India (or Turkey) then they should just watch the films themselves and vote on them the way they want. Then they'll have a more realistic rating.

I think we need a more geographically diverse list, not less.

But more importantly than all of this, we shouldn't be taking the IMDB 250 list that seriously anyway. No single list is going to be in any way definitive. I find it a bit more interesting to look at the list at "They Shoot Picutres, Don't They?" because it combines lists from several different sources (http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm), but again even that shouldn't be considered any kind of definitive list.
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No way, no way.

If you have really read the comments, there's nothing that can allow you to come to the conclusion that they are racist.

The criticism wasn't on the overall quality of Indian or Turkish movies but in the specific cases of Indian and Turkish movies that 'suddenly' flooded in the Top 250. If anything, the critics were always focussed and weren't making a statement about Indian cinema. The Top 250 had never been American-centric, I was one of the first to be vocal about the issue and I'm not even American.

Once again, nothing racist. I have visited many boards of the new Indian movies on the Top 250 (no Lagaan, no Apu Trilogy, no Mother India, no Salaam Bombay, no indisputable classic with a reasonably international aura) and many users were taking pride in making the film as high as possible on the ratings until it  would reach the Top 250.

Let's not be politically correct, IMDb Top 250 should be about movies of great fame and that means outside the country where they were made, which is easier for American cinema but let's not pretend Hollywood doesn't rule the world.

I have nothing against Indian cinema but India will always have a demographic edge over other countries, so there's no possibility for say a Moroccan, Zambian,Chilean or even French of German film to be known outside unless they achieve some international fame.

There's no reason some countries should be immune to that parameter just because they have "more users" in average.

That's all.
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If the movies got there via hacking/exploits it is not racist to want them gone from the list...
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 There are more people living in India than America and they make almost as many films, so why shouldn't there be just as many Indian films on the top 250?
Isn't the Top 250 is suppose to be about the best 250 films in the world rather than a mathematical representation of world cinema production?

But more importantly than all of this, we shouldn't be taking the IMDB 250 list that seriously anyway. 
We shouldn't at least question the integrity of the worlds largest film database?

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