Standalone names shouldn't be keywords

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Bradley Kent

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I have been working on correcting these with the "-character" addendum or, "reference-to-" intro, or, if they appeared in the title, with a cast addition, when appropriate, but there are hundreds-of-thousands, perhaps millions of such keywords with this problem. This also includes the names of fictional characters. Others, please join in to deal with this problem. Don't just try to depend on the staff to correct this, because they probably don't have the time. This cannot be accomplished in an encompassing way without an audit or every incorrect "stand alone name" keyword.
P.S. This problem was particularly ascerbated with the deletion of the Characters section.

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2019-10-06T23:12:31+00:00

Bradley Kent

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As a test, I looked into the seven titles for Leon Trotsky. Three were deleted because the name was already in the cast list (archive footage), one was deleted because it already had the "reference-to-" keyword (an apparent duplication), and one was changed to the "reference-to-" keyword. With the remaining two, I could not determine what would be the correct keyword. The cast lists are very brief, so the name may be a character name or need a "reference-to-" keyword. I left those for further research.

This illustrated how complex this concern can be.

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Will, Official Rep

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Thanks Bradley Kent, you are correct on those points.

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2019-10-07T22:39:24+00:00

Marco

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Will, did you see my question in the OP regarding the blocking of such keywords in the future?
It's nice of you to thank Bradley (I'm thankful as well), but it's a tad bit meaningless if you don't try to contain the problem he's working on.

9 months ago

Adrian, Champion

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I'm currently working through a similar problem. I've been changing all the creatures that appear in the godzilla universe from "rodan" to "rodan-character". I think I've gotten most of the monsters but still a pain.

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Ed Jones(XLIX)

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What if the movie is about those listed above?
With character search no longer existing in the database, how would one find movies about Albert Einstein?
Until a character search returns having Notable figures as keywords is not a bad thing temporarily.

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Bradley Kent

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Use the keyword albert-einstein-character to find the titles about Albert Einstein in which he was portrayed by an actor. For titles with actual footage of the real Albert Einstein, one would go to Albert Einstein's "name" page. One could also go to the keyword reference-to-albert-einstein for titles that mention his name or just have a photograph of him.

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2019-11-09T04:18:25+00:00

Bradley Kent

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And...one could also refer to keywords like albert-einstein-impersonation, albert-einstein-quotation, allbert-einstein-lookalike, albert-einstein-costume, etc.

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2019-11-09T12:20:03+00:00

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In addition, films about specific people can be included in biographical details and appear on the Publicity page.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0251868/p...

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Bradley Kent

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I have been working on another IMDb keyword project, but wlll hopefully get back to this. All need to be individually audited, not, heaven forbid, just changed or deleted.

This supports my long-held belief that IMDb will ALWAYS be open-ended and in a state of flux.

Jane Austen, anyone? (Her name is a keyword for 64 titles.)

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2019-12-31T03:57:17+00:00

Nikolay Yeriomin (Mykola Yeromin), Champion

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One could argue everything people do is open-ended and in state of flux. Doesn't mean we should stop. ;)

2019-12-31T04:54:59+00:00

Bradley Kent

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I'm hardly stopping. I just wish that more people would engage in conscientious auditing.

It's very time-consuming and tedious since the work must be done one title at a time for usually only one change or deletion.

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2019-12-31T13:03:55+00:00

Marco

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Jane Austen, anyone? (Her name is a keyword for 64 titles.)

I'll add her next time around. :)
I appreciate all the work you do on keywords Bradley. It's really a pity IMDb doesn't support keywords contributors as much as they should: the names mentioned in this thread should get a red warning if someone tries to add them to a title. Otherwise, this problem will never completely go away...

6 months ago

ACT_1

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? ?

IMDb Staff could do a 'Search' or 'Search & Replace' on their computer
changing / deleting many keywords.
A quick & easy way do fix the the ones on your list
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Could be helpful if the Keyword was ...
https:// www. imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=marilyn-monroe
https:// www. imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=Name_marilyn-monroe

https:// www. imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=hitler
https:// www. imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=Name_hitler

https:// www. imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=donald-trump
https:// www. imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=Name_donald-trump
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IMDb Statistics
As of Dec 2019
https://www.imdb.com/pressroom/stats/
Titles:    6,534,894
Keyword: 9,554,881
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2019-12-31T14:47:08+00:00

Bradley Kent

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No, because a search and replace could cause many mistakes, "marilyn-monroe" keyword would need to be deleted in she actually appears in the title's cast list, even in archive footage. "marilyn-monroe" keyword may need to be changed to "reference-to-marilyn-monroe" in she is mentioned in dialogue or appears in a photograph. "marilyn-monroe" keyword would need to be changed to "marilyn-monroe-character" if a actress (or actor) plays the part and is listed as a character in a cast list. Etc.

Any "blanket" correction would destroy such correct information.

In other words, EACH title needs to be carefully and individually audited. This also often involves additional research to determine accuracy.

Oh, if contributors only submitted the correct keyword. Or, if there was some way for the staff to communicate with contributors about mistakes, future mistakes could be lessened. Neither will probably happen.

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Marco

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Once again, a little update of this list, with a few new 
additions. Thanks to those who have worked on this! 
(The number of numbers after a person's name indicates how new it is to this list.)<br><br><br>

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Bradley Kent

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Again, I urge that these be carefully audited.

If the standalone name is in the cast list, it should be deleted.

If the standalone name is in the character list, it should be converted to name-character.

If the reference-to- keyword has a name that is in the cast OR character lists, the reference-to- keyword should be deleted.

If the standalone name keyword has a writer, director, etc. credit, it must be deleted.

If the standalone name is just referred to in dialogue or narration or has just a photograph or poster, the standalone name should be converted to a reference-to- keyword.

This is very time consuming and MUST BE DONE CAREFULLY.

Another idea I have had: If all the standalone names keywords were all converted to reference-to- keywords, they could be much more easily audited.

This is a huge project, and I hope that all trying to deal with it are being diligent and exacting.

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Marco

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Again, I urge that these be carefully audited.

And again, I completely agree, that's why I don't simply delete these keywords, but instead, create these lists.

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Marco

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Once again, a little update of this list, with a few new 
additions. Thanks to those who have worked on this! 
(The number of numbers after a person's name indicates how new it is to this list.)<br><br><br>

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Marco

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2020-05-14T00:50:50+00:00

Bradley Kent

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Please, this are NOT just deletions, but, in many cases, a conversion to the "-character" addendum or the "reference-to'" precedent, Deletions are NOT the only solution, but carefully auditing is.

I sure wish that the original submitters of thee standalone names could be contacted so they can correct them CORRECTLY.

P.S. Most of the mentioned correction were from my submissions. Others, please join in this huge auditing project, title by individual title.

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2020-05-14T22:33:11+00:00

Marco

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I sure wish that the original submitters of thee standalone names could be contacted so they can correct them CORRECTLY.

I totally agree, that's why I created a thread such as this one, so in the future, we won't be having these problems: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/keyword-william-shakespeare-added-in-the-past-month

P.S. Most of the mentioned correction were from my submissions. Others, please join in this huge auditing project, title by individual title.

Thanks for all your work on this gigantic undertaking. And yes, I too hope others will join.

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Bradley Kent

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By the way, if, for example, Tom Cruise is listed in the cast, or as a producer, director, writer, etc., or if an actor is playing the part of Tom Cruise, thereby generating the "tom-cruise-character" keyword, you would almost never need the "reference-to-tom-cruise" keyword, and it can usually be deleted.

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