Suggestion: Networks Pass on Women-Led Pilots

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When the 2018 Upfronts happened many in the business where surprised by the pilots which weren't picked. Maybe of them had big stars and/or built-in audiences and were considered slam dunks, yet where still ignored in the end. Coincidentally all of them are led by women. Interesting, eh? Perhaps it's not so much of a coincidence...

Which of these recent pilots that weren't chosen to become series sounds the most interesting to you?

List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls024763899
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I don't know. Quite frankly, I just want my astronaut mom to get a proper sendoff.

 
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Get Christie Love, Cagney & Lacey & have stars from orig Cagney & Lacey do cameo ( video feed, live walk on role).
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My vote:
The Finest (2018 TV Movie)
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Sea Oak
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Love You More for all us pleasantly plump woman out there
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I trust your word Jen, but still, you really mean that these are all the pilots that weren't picked? And they all happen to be directed or led by women? 

I'm not saying it's hard to believe but I think there have been too many polemics these last years,related to genders, ethnicities, sexualities etc. and I try to be more optimistic and go beyond all the temptation of 'conspiracies' thoughts, like seeing some male agenda or anti-female bias from TV producers... as related to your example. I think there are many successful TV series with great female leads, or directed and written by women but the tone of your intro suggests that... the fight isn't over yet.

For me, it's a matter of the way you look at the glass, anyone who believes his gender or community or ethnicity or physical attribute (not many shows about short-overweight-plain-looking guys) is being  wronged by the media will find every sign indicating that it's true, and the same goes for the most optimistic side.

I think there's both an optimistic and pessimistic truth in everything, so how about looking at the one that makes us happier... maybe these things happened... maybe I'm being naive... maybe it's all a coincidence... I refuse to believe that all the people working on these networks and who terminated these shows were 100% men... and if a powerful executive woman found one of these shows unappealing, well, the way she exercised her power can also be regarded as a triumph of female decision-making... all women aren't blindly pro-women after all. And shouldn't be.

Cheers!
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Definitely, I'm not trying to act all 'woe is me' about being female, just pointing out that there are differences. When you have no education, being a woman is an advantage in many ways. For example, working at restaurants I'd always get put as a waitress and would make about $30 an hour because of tips, whereas the men who had to work in the kitchen were just making minimum wage plus the .05% of my tips I had to give them. And I feel like looking good is a bit more important for women on TV than men (there are way more fat men on TV than women, as there is a market for fat funny guys like George Costanza), but at the same time height is definitely a bigger issue for men.  And of course there's the issue that men are taken way less seriously when making allegations of sexual assault than women, because it's assumed that men always want sex. I'm not trying to say women are victims or disadvantaged in every aspect of life, I'm just pointing out what I've noticed with regards to filmmaking specifically.
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I never thought you even implied that "woe is me" feeling, I think it's only my own experience speaking, not saying my overview of life is indicative of any objective reality but what I try to never judge the work of someone on a gender basis, except when gender, or something like the ethnic background or the spirituality, has brought a specific sensitivity to the subject...

What you said about horror movies was interesting, I was thinking maybe it has to do with the genre not appealing too much to women (most women I know are turned off by horror movies) but then maybe it's because that many tropes "popularized" by horror movies directed by huys and that contained a strong anti-female bias like the infamous 'damsels in distress', have a look at this, it might interest you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8hj66FIFmw

and that was in the 80s.
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I wonder whether Siskel and Ebert amnestied some of the 80's slasher movies after a string of modern "torture porn" type of movies. Also, as some people suggested in the comments, Friday the 13th (1980) is not a good example of that, as killer, despite initial man-like appearance turns out to be a woman. As far as I remember Ebert also bashed Maniac (1980) for being too violent despite he walked off the movie, effectively missing the point that Frank Zito's horrendous mental state was a result of child abuse. Movie was such a manifesto against child abuse on Joe Spinell's part that it's hard for me to imagine that it was viewed as an anti-feminist movie at the time. It's a pity Spinell never completed (mostly spiritual) sequel Maniac 2: Mr. Robbie (1986) because judging from what they filmed it could have made the point much more clear and precise, striking the right cord with the audience. 

Personally, I like slasher films and I don't think of them as hateful for any specific category (at least genre at a whole was not trying to do that, some particular movies might). The main appeal in the genre for me is a ping-pong like change of perspective back-and-forth between the killer and the victim. It provides for a very suspenseful and captivating perspective and, done right, it also shows that despite multiple advantages, killer often turns out to be either outsmarted and/or beaten by survivors. Killer in the slasher film is often a superhuman-like menace, an unstoppable force hitting a classic immovable object.  
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Hi, ElM. Do you have an suggestions for how the list subject heading or list description should be reworded?
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Elm,

The problem is far worse in the States than it is in other countries. And, yes, those weren't ALL of the pilots not picked up, but they were a large percentage. 

I do my research - I'm not just making this stuff up.

And as far as the plain-looking or short or overweight guys not getting their own shows, here you go:
The World According to Jim
Last Man Standing
Kevin Can Wait
The Big Bang Theory
Still Standing
Modern Family
Bob Newhart Show
Grounded for Life
The Honeymooners
George Lopez
Get Smart
That '70s Show
Just the Ten of Us
Curb Your Enthusiasm
The Drew Carey Show
The King of Queens
The Jeffersons
My Name is Earl
NewsRadio
3rd Rock from the Sun
Just Shoot Me
Yes Dear

And those are just the sitcoms off the top of my head.
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They're all comedies, so they have the right look ...

You won't see a Jack Bauer looking like George Constanza, even when it's not comedies, they always play neurotic / loser-type of guys. And you won't see these guys topping the list of most bankable stars... not that it's a crime :)

By the way, I wasn't specific about TV; just in general, either you have or you don't have the "Givenchy" look.
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rampant misogyny
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With all due respect, I think that's too bold and simplistic a statement, there's something rotten in the business, definitely, but that case is not an illustration of how women really get it bad.

Why should anyone's interest toward a series or a story depend on the lead protagonists gender anyway? Not saying misogyny doesn't exist in general, it exits everywhere so unfortunately, media are no exception but this series' thing is a false trial... we don't know why these series were rejected and if a pilot was made in the first place, it still means that the concept was given a shot.

For me "misogyny" is such an ugly thing, it's really about hating women, plain and simple, which is a serious issue... so you can't just trivialize it by associating it to any situation or news item that only consists on raising a valid but still uncertain question. Same goes with "racism", "abuse" and other ugly words...
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I also fail to see how the people behind the decisions were or are misogynists.