Suggestion: Networks Pass on Women-Led Pilots

  • 2
  • Idea
  • Updated 2 months ago
When the 2018 Upfronts happened many in the business where surprised by the pilots which weren't picked. Maybe of them had big stars and/or built-in audiences and were considered slam dunks, yet where still ignored in the end. Coincidentally all of them are led by women. Interesting, eh? Perhaps it's not so much of a coincidence...

Which of these recent pilots that weren't chosen to become series sounds the most interesting to you?

List: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls024763899
Photo of Jen

Jen, Champion

  • 4905 Posts
  • 2279 Reply Likes

Posted 10 months ago

  • 2
Photo of Stephen N Russell

Stephen N Russell

  • 826 Posts
  • 1203 Reply Likes
Get Christie Love, Cagney & Lacey & have stars from orig Cagney & Lacey do cameo ( video feed, live walk on role).
Photo of Dan Dassow

Dan Dassow, Champion

  • 12469 Posts
  • 12442 Reply Likes
My vote:
The Finest (2018 TV Movie)
Photo of groovyvic

groovyvic

  • 487 Posts
  • 720 Reply Likes
Sea Oak
Photo of ElM.

ElM.

  • 3111 Posts
  • 3162 Reply Likes
I trust your word Jen, but still, you really mean that these are all the pilots that weren't picked? And they all happen to be directed or led by women? 

I'm not saying it's hard to believe but I think there have been too many polemics these last years,related to genders, ethnicities, sexualities etc. and I try to be more optimistic and go beyond all the temptation of 'conspiracies' thoughts, like seeing some male agenda or anti-female bias from TV producers... as related to your example. I think there are many successful TV series with great female leads, or directed and written by women but the tone of your intro suggests that... the fight isn't over yet.

For me, it's a matter of the way you look at the glass, anyone who believes his gender or community or ethnicity or physical attribute (not many shows about short-overweight-plain-looking guys) is being  wronged by the media will find every sign indicating that it's true, and the same goes for the most optimistic side.

I think there's both an optimistic and pessimistic truth in everything, so how about looking at the one that makes us happier... maybe these things happened... maybe I'm being naive... maybe it's all a coincidence... I refuse to believe that all the people working on these networks and who terminated these shows were 100% men... and if a powerful executive woman found one of these shows unappealing, well, the way she exercised her power can also be regarded as a triumph of female decision-making... all women aren't blindly pro-women after all. And shouldn't be.

Cheers!
Photo of groovyvic

groovyvic

  • 487 Posts
  • 720 Reply Likes
Definitely, I'm not trying to act all 'woe is me' about being female, just pointing out that there are differences. When you have no education, being a woman is an advantage in many ways. For example, working at restaurants I'd always get put as a waitress and would make about $30 an hour because of tips, whereas the men who had to work in the kitchen were just making minimum wage plus the .05% of my tips I had to give them. And I feel like looking good is a bit more important for women on TV than men (there are way more fat men on TV than women, as there is a market for fat funny guys like George Costanza), but at the same time height is definitely a bigger issue for men.  And of course there's the issue that men are taken way less seriously when making allegations of sexual assault than women, because it's assumed that men always want sex. I'm not trying to say women are victims or disadvantaged in every aspect of life, I'm just pointing out what I've noticed with regards to filmmaking specifically.
(Edited)
Photo of Jeorj Euler

Jeorj Euler

  • 6583 Posts
  • 8135 Reply Likes
The cause is unknown.
Photo of ElM.

ElM.

  • 3111 Posts
  • 3162 Reply Likes
I never thought you even implied that "woe is me" feeling, I think it's only my own experience speaking, not saying my overview of life is indicative of any objective reality but what I try to never judge the work of someone on a gender basis, except when gender, or something like the ethnic background or the spirituality, has brought a specific sensitivity to the subject...

What you said about horror movies was interesting, I was thinking maybe it has to do with the genre not appealing too much to women (most women I know are turned off by horror movies) but then maybe it's because that many tropes "popularized" by horror movies directed by huys and that contained a strong anti-female bias like the infamous 'damsels in distress', have a look at this, it might interest you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8hj66FIFmw

and that was in the 80s.
Photo of Nikolay Yeriomin

Nikolay Yeriomin, Champion

  • 2189 Posts
  • 2696 Reply Likes
I wonder whether Siskel and Ebert amnestied some of the 80's slasher movies after a string of modern "torture porn" type of movies. Also, as some people suggested in the comments, Friday the 13th (1980) is not a good example of that, as killer, despite initial man-like appearance turns out to be a woman. As far as I remember Ebert also bashed Maniac (1980) for being too violent despite he walked off the movie, effectively missing the point that Frank Zito's horrendous mental state was a result of child abuse. Movie was such a manifesto against child abuse on Joe Spinell's part that it's hard for me to imagine that it was viewed as an anti-feminist movie at the time. It's a pity Spinell never completed (mostly spiritual) sequel Maniac 2: Mr. Robbie (1986) because judging from what they filmed it could have made the point much more clear and precise, striking the right cord with the audience. 

Personally, I like slasher films and I don't think of them as hateful for any specific category (at least genre at a whole was not trying to do that, some particular movies might). The main appeal in the genre for me is a ping-pong like change of perspective back-and-forth between the killer and the victim. It provides for a very suspenseful and captivating perspective and, done right, it also shows that despite multiple advantages, killer often turns out to be either outsmarted and/or beaten by survivors. Killer in the slasher film is often a superhuman-like menace, an unstoppable force hitting a classic immovable object.  
Photo of Jeorj Euler

Jeorj Euler

  • 6583 Posts
  • 8135 Reply Likes
Hi, ElM. Do you have an suggestions for how the list subject heading or list description should be reworded?