The new Emoticons are terrible!!!

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The new Emoticons are terrible!!! They do a terrible job of conveying emotion. The sad2 icon was the best with tears flowing everywhere. And the mad icon with the little guy jumping up and down was also great. The gun shooting icons, the angry, happy, biggrin & cheers icon were great!! These are terrible!! Please go back to the old ones. PLEASE!!
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I've noticed that the old ones still work in the old posts.  Why can't we then have both sets?

What I don't like about the new ones is the lack of mouseover text to give you a description.

What I do like about them is that you can quote them without removing the extra set of brackets.
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I wholeheartedly agree. In addition to what you said, they are also far too large and intrusive, and look far to cutesy.
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The new emoticons are HORRIBLE! There isn't even one to replace the old "eye-roll" emoticon! These new ones are big, and bulky and UGLY! Please bring the old ones back! Why is it that corporations like this are ALWAYS trying to fix things that are NOT broken!?

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Please see IMDb's Information Board post for full explanation: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000040/n...
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That thread is locked now.

I don't mind additions, but shutting down the old ones is just silly. They announced "SUPPORT" for the new ones, that suggests an addition, not a replacement. And the general gist of the thread was that everybody hates them, so I just don't get the stubbornness about reactivating the old ones. That way everybody will be happy.
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Yeah, funny how one of the IMDb admins said "With the interest split so evenly basically we'd be annoying one user for every user we'd please. That's not a recipe for success" regarding splitting the Politics board into two... But a 99 to 1 interest AGAINST emoji apparently is a recipe for success. [none]
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Yeah, I just noticed this.  I had the [fight2] emoticon nestled between a quote, it looked like: "Welcome to the middle of nowhere-[fight2]-the center of everywhere."
Now it just looks like a word and a number bunched together between brackets.  Thanks, IMDb.  Because I enjoy having badass emoticons replaced by cutesy, ugly crap-looking smiley faces.
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The new emoticons look like a set of stickers for toddlers.
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What makes me laugh is no one wanted this NO ONE, and the admins are protecting this crappy edition like it's a made man in the mafia by instalocking the thread because people think it sucks.

Just do yourselves a favor IMDB: listen to your users for once.

Without them, your site is NOTHING. Act like it.
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Why can't we keep the old ones? I liked the old emoticons!

We liked them too, but we think the new ones are better. Rather than trying to go our own way with emoticons, we decided to join the rest of the world and benefit from the increasing native support in operating systems and browsers.

The new ones are NOT better. They're too big, and too bulky, and FUGLY!!!

Further, it explains a LOT that they're using Google emoticons now. Google is probably paying IMDB to use them. Google is sticking their fingers into too many cookie jars lately, and RUINING whatever they touch!

And that business about a global announcement? WHERE? I never saw one! I simply clicked on emoticons yesterday and thought my system had been hacked when I saw the junky emoticons where the old, cool ANIMATED ones had been!


Once again, IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT!!!



In addition, it amazes me that in over FORTY pages of that thread, everyone is complaining about the new emoticons, and yet the ONE admin who does show his face in that thread, just continues to essentially say, "Well, we know that NINETY-NINE POINT NINE PERCENT of you hate the new emoticons, but we have that POINT ZERO-ONE PERCENT who do like the new emoticons, so we're just going to go with that point zero-one percent who does, and dismantle the more popular old-style emoticons and the rest of you will just have to swallow the bs we're trying to sell you here."

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I agree with the others in this thread and the other thread, the new icons are terrible.

If IMDB and the GetSatisfaction team were really interested in what  people thought then they would be putting a link on every board for the GetSatisfaction.com site not just the IMBD Information board!!
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I'd get a lot more satisfaction if the entire board system were moved here.  We don't have any emoticons here unfortunately.JumpingHappyCool Actually we do, since you can drop an image into a post.Winking That's not ever likely to happen on the IMDb boards though, is it?Mad
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After posting this last night, I thought, "wouldn't it be great to start a campaign on GetSatisfaction.com to use only the old emoticons available here:"

Planet Smilies

To do it effectively, open the site in another window so you can position it next to this window.  Just drag and drop the smilies into your post. The smilies can also be dragged and dropped within this page as I did with these.

JumpingHappyCoolWinkingMad
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"Why can't we keep the old ones? I liked the old emoticons!

We liked them too, but we think the new ones are better. Rather than trying to go our own way with emoticons, we decided to join the rest of the world and benefit from the increasing native support in operating systems and browsers"

I find this comment extremely interesting. Their interested in "joining the rest of the world" when it comes to implementing these crappy emoticons, but not when adding features like insert image that virtually EVERY FORUM ON THE WEB HAS EXCEPT IMDB.

The fact they would say something like that is quite laughable, especially seeing that even the feedback forum has it.
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IMDb should be embarrassed that their feedback site is years ahead of the system we troubleshoot here.Winking
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Three things about the switch to EMOJI make me very unhappy:

1. The Smileys look like blobs.
2. They are static. Many of the old ones were animated, and interesting effects could be created by combining them.
3. Users have lost our identities. People used to identify my posts at a glance, because of the [cooldance] dude I used in my signature line. Many people have similar avatars, but the characteristic use of emoticons, especially in sig lines, gave us personality. 
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Precisely.  And now they're gone, due to "popular demand," which is obviously a big load of bull.
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I hate the new pictures.  They're awful.  They're too big, don't move, and look childish.

Please go back to the old ones.

Thanks.
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So, the announcement thread gets locked after HUNDREDS of complaints and you still think this is a good idea?

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000040/thread/235128106

Yuck
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And a certain admin *cough* lied about why it was locked... :/
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And a certain admin *cough* lied about why it was locked... :/
Let's pause and think before we make such an accusation.

If I'm not mistaken, it appears that the system automatically locks threads after they reach 600 total replies (with deleted replies included in the count).

The thread's displayed reply count is below 600 now, due to deletions; but when I count the replies and include the deleted replies in the count, the total is 600. I believe that number triggered the system's automatic lock.
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You may very well be right, but he said 500... And insisted on THAT number, so it wasn't "just a typo." I could swear I've seen threads go past 600 before, anyway, but I have no proof of that; I'll admit I could be mistaken. Either way, when another thread got to this cut-off point, they created a new thread to continue the discussion, which was getting a couple of replies per hour. This hot-button thread regarding emoji, getting replies basically every 5 minutes, got no such consideration.
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It's true that it's now 600 (deletions included).  Years ago it was lowered to that number from 1,200, so lucid-lunatic, you may be right that you've seen them go higher.
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Ah, fair enough. :-) Maybe it was a little hot-headed of me to call him a liar...Heck, before that point I was even trying to defend him; it seemed as though he was dropping subtle hints that he wasn't exactly a fan of the emoji, either. lol maybe I just read more than what was there... I dunno. Bottom line, though, this switch has been met with more opposition by the users than I've seen from any other issue in the 7 years I've been posting... Including the themes. This is a mis-step on IMDb's part.
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Maybe, but even if 10,000 complained (instead of dozens of people), it's still less far less than a percent of the 100 million visitors the site sees in a month.  And, keep in mind, folks against a change will be more vocal than those who like the change or don't care, one way or another.
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That's a bit like saying, "Hey, this restaurant has a broken chair... Everyone who sits on it complains, but we haven't removed it because no other patrons have mentioned it." The people who are being vocal are regular users of the message board system (i.e., the target audience). Yes, people against a change will be more vocal, but that doesn't make them wrong/their opinions less valid than those who don't care. And, as has been mentioned here, and everywhere else I've seen this discussed so far, it's possible to have both emoji and the old emoticons work at the same time... I still haven't seen a response to that from IMDb staff that didn't amount to "that's not what we want, so sorry 'bout your bad luck." :-/
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How is a different type of cartoon anything like a "broken chair???" Sorry, but that was just a silly and useless comparison.
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I wasn't comparing the problem itself so much as the reaction to it. You mention 100 million users of IMDb... but how many of those are using the *boards*? The negative reaction is coming from the section of those however-many-million people who actually are "affected" (however slight the effect is in the long run).
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Many millions use the boards. My user ID is ten million something...

A better example in your restaurant scenario would be if they changed the style or color of all the chairs. They might have complaints from one or two people but won't likely change again because of it and most others won't notice, care or simply think it's not worth mentioning. Customers won't decide to stay or leave because of it. They come there for the food.
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Excuse me, I meant REGULARLY use the boards... And I think you know what I was trying to get at with my analogy...But that's okay. I give up. Doesn't matter what I say or think, so this discussion is really pointless. :-)
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@bluesmanSF; doesn't everyone get a user ID number regardless of whether or not they use the boards? I do believe that number is a simple counter based on when you registered. I registered in 1999 and have an ID in the hundreds of thousands, though I didn't sign up for using the boards until many years later.

I seriously doubt tens of millions of unique users have posted in the boards...
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Not everyone visiting the site, but those who register get an ID.  Whether they have read board messages (samples appear on the title/name pages, so it's likely mostly have seen messages).  I have no idea how many post.

There's no difference between signing up and signing up to use the boards (other than the extra authentication required), so your number is your number regardless of when you started posting.

It might seem low percentage of users that use the boards (and staff has confirmed that it's a relatively small percentage of the site's visitors), but even if it's only 10,000 using the boards, a few dozen complaining that one cartoon is any worse than another (though, outside of IMDb, Emoji's are hugely popular) is a small percentage...perhaps less than 1%? I wouldn't even want to embark on trying to find out how many users are actively posting with the size of this site...10,000,000 message boards and all.
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I know you might think this is a minor thing (I mean, it's just smilies for god's sake)...

But, basically, you've forced us to change the language we use to express ourselves.

And, YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY ASK ANY OF THE USERS before you made this change.
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you've forced us to change the language we use to express ourselves.
Seriously?
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Yes. Seriously.
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Wow, sorry to hear that.
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I second Issel's comment! [angry5]
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    "... basically, you've forced us ..."
Count me out of that argument.  IMDb doesn't "force" me to do anything.  If I don't like the way things are going, I am free to go elsewhere.  I am not so dependent on IMDb that I couldn't afford to leave.  (That said, I'm not going to leave the boards just because of an emoji infestation.) ;-)
    "... to change the language we use to express ourselves."
Can it be argued that these pictorial symbols serve identifiable roles as expressive markers that become closely associated with "the language we use" in CMC (computer-mediated communications)? ... Studies have observed that emoticons and emoji serve at least "paralinguistic" and conversational functions:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=linguistic+OR+paralinguistic+intitle%3Aemoticons

IMO:
When a familiar set of supplementary expressive symbols is suddenly replaced by a new set that is very different in style, content, and character, some users may find the change jarring -- not only because some dislike the new set for various reasons, but also because the sudden change may disrupt the established comfort and fluency of accustomed mappings of expressive roles that users had customarily assigned to the old symbols.
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Lucus, yes, it is basically 'forcing' when the original option to express ourselves has been removed and the only option is to change the way express ourselves or leave the site.

But, the second part of your post totally understands my point of view: Emoji is a language... not one that I care to speak.

Interesting thought: What if our use of emojis gradually becomes so extensive that we actually circle back to writing in hieroglyphics? 
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Lucus, yes, it is basically 'forcing' when the original option to express ourselves has been removed and the only option is to change the way express ourselves or leave the site.
Speaking for myself, as I said: "if I don't like the way things are going, I am free to go elsewhere." For me, that is sufficient.
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I have also discovered about these TERRIBLE emoticons, that you cannot post them when on your phone or Ipad. They come up as question marks, or not at all. And when viewing them on Ipad, the new fat ones have a emoji inside them. Weird!!! These fat ugly gum drop looking new emoticons don't have any motion like the old ones did.
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That's funny, because they mentioned iPhone and iPad users specifically as one of the reasons they implemented the new ones.

However, from what I know of texting (Android though, so perhaps not entirely comparable), the codes for inserting an Emoji in a text is very different than the bracketed codes used by IMDb for an Emoji, so I never really bought that argument to begin with.
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So, another reason for switching to these ****-**-****-"emoji", namely making them phone-compatible, is invalid?
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They really are horrid.  I don't understand why we can't still have the old ones while adding the new, if they're so bent on having the new ones.  A user pointed out, in the IMDb board discussion, that the site did have both up and running for about an hour during the switch-over, so we know it can be done.
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We're stuck with them, I know. One more person saying she doesn't like them isn't going to help. But it won't hurt either. I'd rather have nothing if these are our only option. They are ugly and too large. There is not enough variety in the faces and too much variety elsewhere. We didn't have or need a single arrow before. Now we have 26 for some reason. And then there are the ones no one is ever going to use. A beeper and fax machine? Are you serious? Meanwhile, we still don't have the ability to block someone from seeing (reporting) our posts. Keep the band-aids coming, IMDb. Who values customer service anymore anyway?
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Since when do fourth-grade Japanese schoolgirls make up the key demographic for IMDb?

I just continue to use the old code, hoping that people will remember the emoticons (not "emoji" [barf])
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I do the same.
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What are we supposed to do for [laugh]?
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I don't know...maybe say, "that's funny!" or "HAHA" or "HEHE" or "LOL"

Have you ever read a book?  I've never read one with emoticons and think I've picked up, quite well, on what the author is saying.
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"What are we supposed to do for [laugh]?"
I've tried combining an emoji with text
to indicate laughter.

Here is an example.
(Note: If the emoji does not immediately
appear, wait a moment for it to load.)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598754/board/thread/235272146?d=235360874#235360874

If that would work for you, here is the "code"
(you can copy-and-paste this):

[orange][b]ha[/b][/orange][smiling_face_with_open_mouth_and_cold_sweat][orange][b]ha[/b][/orange]

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I love your avatar, Lucas.  I thought your code above unnecessarily closed the tags,  [b] and [orange] can go around the whole thing like this.

[orange][b]ha[smiling_face_with_open_mouth_and_cold_sweat]ha[/b][/orange]

I also found a bug in the emoji code.  It should not execute inside the [pre] tag to be consistent with everything else you can put inside that tag.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598754/board/nest/235272146?d=235453557#235453557
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"... I thought your code above unnecessarily closed the tags ...."
Yep, that was clumsy of me.  Thanks for catching that.

"... I also found a bug in the emoji code.  It should not execute inside the [pre] tag ....
You're quite right.  (I too had noticed that.)  When an emoji tag is placed between [pre]...[/pre] tags (example: [pre][eyes][/pre]), then the emoji tag should not render the emoji, but currently it does. The [pre] tag is supposed to "preserve formatting" of text, without markup replacement.

(Perhaps we should've opened a separate thread for that bug report?)
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I've already reported the [pre] tag bug to  muzzle, an IMDb programmer active on IMDb Information.
 
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This is technically not a bug, but I can see why people think it is.

The emoji representations like [cat_face_with_wry_smile] aren't really markup, they are an input convenience for people whose platforms don't natively support emoji.  We could have had the emoji-picker just insert the Unicode character, but unless you've got a special font installed it will likely look like a box with hex characters in it.

When you post a boards message, any [unicode_emoji] tokens are translated to native Unicode characters before it starts looking for markup.  So a [pre] block is doing the right thing: it's showing what markup there is and leaving individual characters alone.

When you edit a message the native Unicode characters are translated back into the [unicode_emoji] tokens so it all looks symmetrical.

Note that on platforms that support Unicode emoji natively (iPhones etc) the [unicode_emoji] tokens don't appear.
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It's more of an inconsistency than a bug.  I see the real shortcoming in using square brackets instead of something like this.{wink}  The emoji code looks like the other markup, so naturally people will expect it to behave the same way.

Is there a CSS file out on the web that we can use so the emojis we use will render the same everywhere?
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It's easy to change because it's never stored in the database.

Maybe we should create a poll and see what people think.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
The new Emoji are unattractive and unusable..


They look like they were created BY children, FOR children. What were
you people thinking? Trying to get something cheap? This isn't a step
forward; it's a step backward -- and cheapens the Board.
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Well, this discussion is quieting down, so ... let's do some numbers:

Up to now, only 21 people have clicked to "Like" this thread. ... But we know that many more than 21 people have expressed a preference for the old emoticons.

In a reply above, someone estimated just "a few dozen" total complaints?

I've spent just an hour checking a few threads on a few popular boards, and I now know of over 24 dozen (288+) unique users who have expressed a preference to keep the old emoticons available. Since I only checked a few threads on a few boards, I would assume that my count of 288+ is probably far lower than the total number of users who may have expressed a preference to keep the old emoticons available.

Whether I'm right or wrong about that, we'll never know the total number of users who would've preferred to keep the old emoticons. ... Of course, the numbers don't really matter. The change is done. Some reasons for the change were explained in the announcement thread.

Everything that could be said has been said -- in the announcement thread, in various other threads on various boards, and finally here. It has been an interesting discussion. Thanks to IMDb for giving us a place to be heard.

Thanks also to the staff members who participated in this thread here on the aptly-named Get Satisfaction dot com. ... [EDIT] -- (Sorry, my mistake. No staff members participated in this thread here. Well, thanks anyway for letting us carry on the discussion amongst ourselves.) ;-)
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Now that a staff member has replied (below), I hereby wish to "withdraw" my earlier quip (above) about lack of staff response.

(In retrospect, I should've added a word to that quip: Staff hadn't "yet" replied at that time.  I shouldn't have doubted that staff would respond in due course, as indeed they have.)
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Thanks also to the staff members who participated in this thread here on the aptly-named Get Satisfaction dot com. ... [EDIT] -- (Sorry, my mistake. No staff members participated in this thread here. Well, thanks anyway for letting us carry on the discussion amongst ourselves.) ;-)
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I found it interesting  that the classic emoticons show up as:
[laugh][clap]laugh]
in my email feed.

My first reaction was instant dislike, dare I say, hatred. If after a few weeks, I still dislike these "emoticons designed by "deranged clowns for deranged clowns" I will complain.
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Sorry to say, Dan, that it occasionally happens with the notifications here.  There was a bug in your LIKE for this one:

"I'd get a lot more satisfaction if the entire board system were moved here.  We don't have any emoticons here unfortunately.JumpingHappyCool Actually we do, since you can drop an image into a post.Winking That's not ever likely to happen on the IMDb boards though, is it?Mad"

Still 80% is better than nothing!
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Another screwup was that they allowed seven naming conflicts between the two sets of emoticons!  You can see them here.  I believe they are plain here because they require a style sheet to display properly:

Basic:
[4eyes] [afro] [angel] [angry] [argue] [aura] [bigeek] [biggrin] [bigrazz] [birthday]
[blah] [blush] [bounce] [caver] [chatty] [cheers] [cloak] [clown] [colorful] [confused]
[cool] [cry] [dead] [devil] [eek] [embarrassed] [explode]  [frozen] [glasses]
[gonemad] [gum] [hehe] [hide] [iloveu] [interest] [joker]  [laugh] [newbie]
[ninja] [no] [noir] [none] [odd] [out] [party] [popcorn]  [razz] [roll] [roll2]
[royal] [sad] [shy] [sigh] [sleep] [smile] [smoke1] [snow] [sword] [trendy] [uhoh] [upset] [wave]
[weird] [white] [wild] [wink] [winkgrin] [yes]
Animals:
[animal] [bunny] [butterfly]  [cats]  [flowercat] [nicebat]  [spider] [whitecat]
Confused:
[change] [conf1] [conf2] [conf3] [devilconf] [giveup] [help] [hmm] [mjeyds] [wazup]
Cool:
[cool1] [cool2] [cooldance] [cooldance2] [coolmonkey] [hasta] [trum]
Happy:
[2face] [3c] [3eyes] [blink] [clap] [hat] [hippy] [sombrero] [square] [wave3] [xmas]
Jumping:
[jump1] [jump10] [jump2] [jump3] [jump4] [jump5] [jump6] [jump7] [jump8] [jump9]
Love:
[love1] [love10] [love2] [love3] [love4] [love5] [love6] [love7] [love8] [love9]
Sad:
[sad1] [sad2] [sad3] [sad4] [sad5] [sad6] [sad7] [sad8]
Evil Grin:
[evil1] [evil10] [evil2] [evil3] [evil4] [evil5] [evil6] [evil7] [evil8] [evil9]
Angry:
[angry1] [angry10] [angry2] [angry3] [angry4] [angry5] [angry6] [angry7] [angry9] [flameangry]
Fighting:
[fight1] [fight10] [fight2] [fight3] [fight4] [fight5] [fight6] [fight7] [fight8] [fight9]
Miscellaneous:
[blush2] [hairrise] [listicon] [misc1] [misc2] [misc3] [sleep1]  [tongue2]
The above graphics are used with kind permission from Planetsmilies.com

See the emojis here:

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000040/nest/235128106?d=235162785#235162785
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After the tongue-in-cheek comment at the end of my last reply, I want to add a "constructive" note.

In the announcement thread, staff member Muzzle took time out of his day to post several replies, explaining as best he could, while taking a lot of flak.

If I'm honest, I'm going to have to admit that I can partly understand some aspects of what he explained. ... There, now I've said that.

Now I want to point out something interesting that Muzzle said, early in that thread.

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000040/thread/235128106?d=235132018#235132018

I quote:

[The Google/Android emoji] "... are the only complete set of emoji available with a permissive license. We'd be happy to look at another set if you can find (or create) one!"

Note that last sentence offering to "look at another set if you can find (or create) one" (emphasis added).

If that offer still stands, it means IMDb is apparently at least willing to consider the possibility of adopting a user-submitted set of emoji.

That opens an opportunity if someone is technically and artistically inclined and motivated to pursue this.

Perhaps someone who's good at this stuff could come up with some "better" emoji -- in a style arguably more suitable for the IMDb boards than what we've got now.

Even if someone takes this opportunity, I suppose some questions or controversies could arise to complicate matters ... (regarding e.g., whatever criteria and ground-rules apply for consideration, reasons for rejection, and finally, acceptance of some winning set of emoji that could be very good but won't please everyone).

But I think it sounds like an interesting opportunity to contribute.  (I was even thinking about maybe giving it a shot, until I remembered that I'm not an artist.)
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In addition to the aforementioned quotation from Muzzle, he also said:

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000040/thread/235128106?d=235156993#235156993
"The Unicode consortium says that animated emoji are permitted, however we're not in the emoji/icon business and won't be producing our own. If someone wants to make a complete set with friendly licensing terms then we'll look at it."
So, if that offer stands, a user-submitted set of emoji could possibly include animation.
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IIUC, since any submitted emoji would have to be (as noted above) "a complete set", the artist would have to produce replacements for all of the existing emoji images.

IIUC, the artist would be mostly constrained by the existing emoji subject matter.  Obviously, an artist can and should exercise some creative leeway -- but the existing characteristics and assigned purposes of emoji cannot be completely ignored, and would put some constraints on decisions.

BTW, obviously some controversies can arise regarding any set of emoji, for  various reasons. ... For one example, what about "diversity"?  In reply to someone's comment in the announcement thread, Muzzle mentioned this article:

http://www.ibtimes.com/unicode-unveils-250-new-emoji-gets-thumbs-down-diversity-1604038
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Here's pretty much a complete set of the old ones.  You can copy it from here and paste it into MS Word.  Save it as an HTML document and you can use it instead of the website:

Basic:







Animals:

Confused:

Cool:

Happy:

Jumping:

Love:

Sad:

Evil Grin:

Angry:

Fighting:

Miscellaneous:

The above graphics are used with kind permission from Planetsmilies.com
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So which set is more universal? You can't display the new emojis here, because technically they are stylized characters and not images.
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The complaints about the new Emoji fall into two broad categories:
  1. The new emoji don't cover the same topics/emotions as the old ones
  2. Stylistic/artistic criticisms
Addressing #1:

There is a fair bit of overlap, but it's definitely not complete.  We are aware of this and it was considered when deciding whether to make the change or not.  Users may not be aware that we previous had other of the PlanetSmilies images on the site but took them off due to concerns about tone (they were overly violent).  When we removed them there was a similar outcry about censorship and "destroying IMDb", however the community adapted and lived on.

While the existing IMDb boards users are probably more familiar/comfortable with the old smileys, the much-larger set of people we are looking to attract to the IMDb boards are definitely more comfortable with the Unicode-compatible emoji, having used them on Twitter and smartphones.  If you took a new user and presented them with both sets of images and asked them which ones cover a broader range of topics/emotions, we feel confident they would choose the new set.  We recognize that this will inconvenience some of our existing users, and for that we apologize.

Users who feel strongly that the absence of particular smileys from the new set has critically reduced their ability to communicate are urged to submit a proposal to the Unicode Consortium to include them in a future version of the standard. The consortium has well-defined procedures for documenting the debate and making a reasoned, well-informed decision on the suitability of including them in the standard.  If there is a strong case for including some of the old icons then there should be no problem getting them added, which means they will be able to be used everywhere on the internet.  Doing this is pretty much your only option for getting new emoticons on IMDb.


Addressing #2:

This is really a subjective issue that we won't ever reach consensus on.  Having made the decision to switch, the only freely-available complete set of Emoji we have found is the one from the Android/Noto project.  I've been in contact with the people involved in that project and they are very keen to hear feedback about the design in general or specific complaints on individual emoji.  They have a bug tracking system and a mailing list that anyone can join; this is a real, practical step you can take to get things changed on IMDb.  Also: these emoji are used in Android, so your feedback will shape the experience of hundreds of millions of people using smartphones in the future.

Alternatively, we are definitely open to the possibility of changing to an entirely new set of images.  There are only three conditions: (a) they must have a license that makes it easy for us to use; (b) they must be compatible with Unicode and adhere to the general intentions therein; (c) they must be reasonably generic (e.g. not all modeled after zombies or a particular brand).  It's a pretty big project to create over 800 scalable, consistent, and high-quality images, but again this is a practical step that users can take.
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They have a bug tracking system and a mailing list that anyone can join;...
Where?  I'm not finding anything that looks like either at the link you gave for them.
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There is Noto Discussion Mailing list at the bottom left and and Issues up the top.
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#3 There's really no technical reason given why the smilies and emojis can't coexist, except for the seven naming conflicts I mentioned above that can be easily fixed.  What I don't like is the lack of a transition.  Were the PTB afraid that the emojis wouldn't catch on unless they were forced on us without competition?
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The old smilies can't be represented in Unicode, which is a standard that the whole of IMDb is moving aggressively towards. We are moving in this direction to enable the proper display of names and titles in their native character sets rather than a Latin-1 transliteration. In terms of priorities, this easily outranks the need for custom smilies in our boards, particularly given that Unicode contains hundreds of emoji and is an open, internet-wide standard. Having already committed to making the switch we decided that soliciting input ("competition" as you call it) would serve no purpose other than to give false hope that the change might not happen.

The only other alternative would be to freeze all development on the boards; this would leave the old smilies in place but would condemn the boards to be closed at some point in the near future when the underlying framework is retired. For boards to continue to exist this was a necessary change.
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So what's the next version of the boards going to look like, then?  Will they have all the same functionality they do now?
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"So what's the next version of the boards going to look like, then? Will they have all the same functionality they do now?"

Apparently the plan is to have several hundred childish-looking emoji, but otherwise the boards will continue to have about 10% of the functionality and efficiency of a 1985 BBoard software package or 1985 internet newsgroup/usenet boards. God forbid you should be able to sort your board Favorites list from the half-assed-random way it inserts new favorites, or search a particular board on a keyword before posting the umpteenth thread on the same topic.
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My big gripe about the favorites list is all the false alarms.  The last posting date is often much more recent than the actual date of the last post.  I had it explained to me that the actual last posting date is unavailable to programmers.  How can that be?
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We have no plans at the moment to change the functionality of the boards, however that may change in the future.

The last posting date is available to programmers.  The issue is that these totals update asynchronously and periodically via a background process.  That is done in order to make posting efficient and quick, but yes, it introduces some delays.

We've yet to find replacement boards software that fits our needs.  There are plenty of options out there's but nothing that would be a drop-in replacement for what we've got.  The Great Emoji Slaughter of 2014 would be nothing compared to the fallout if we needed to (say) get rid of threaded discussions.  It would be interesting to poll the users to see what features they want and also what exiting features they'd be willing to give up in order to get them.
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Actually, the date that seems to be picked up on the favorites page is a last activity date which includes deletions but apparently not edits.  The user can only see what's happening on a very inactive board that he is also very familiar with. I have 3 me-only boards in my favorites.
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There is no option to make favorites public.
There is no option to make posting history private.

This is crazy logic.  Why should users be stuck with IMDb's choices?
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Favorites are convenience like a browser bookmark which is private.  In theory we could add a preference to share them, but it's unlikely that feature would reach the front of the priority queue. You're welcome to list your favorites in your boards profile.

Posting history is public because all posts are public.  If you want to communicate privately, use a PM!
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"... the much-larger set of people we are looking to attract to the IMDb boards are definitely more comfortable with the Unicode-compatible emoji, having used them on Twitter and smartphones."
Yes, Twitter ... and Facebook too, right?

Of that admittedly "much-larger set of people", I wonder what frightening percentage might (if asked) prefer that the IMDb boards be replaced entirely with Facebook comments. :-(

 "... Users may not be aware that we previous had other of the PlanetSmilies images on the site but took them off due to concerns about tone (they were overly violent)."
Almost immediately after IMDb introduced emoji, some users began combining emoji to depict or imply obscenity or violence, or to produce politically or culturally charged cartoons. (I wouldn't be surprised if IMDb eventually receives complaints about some of these.)

Show me something on PlanetSmilies.com that you'd consider much "worse" than the "worst" of what I've seen depicted with simple combinations of emoji.

Freedom-of-speech or other such arguments aside ... I've resumed using CSS to hide the emoji.  Speaking for myself, I prefer not to see such "creative" "art" when I'm using the boards; so I'm censoring all of it, just for myself.

Besides, I am more of a text-oriented kind of guy.  I don't need these images.  When I want to use an emoticon, I can always do this -- ;-)
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Can you point us to that CSS? Does it replace the emojis with nulls or spaces?

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Can you point us to that CSS?
I'm sorry, but I'm not sharing my CSS code at this time.
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There used to be a PlanetSmilies image that featured one guy chainsawing another guy - it was really graphic, with blood and guts flying everywhere.  We removed that one.

It's impossible to stop people finding creative ways to combine emoji or any other letters to offend.  We eliminated an image that was graphically violent, but removing individual items because of the way they're used in combination with others is pointless -- like saying we should eliminate "f", "c", and "n" from English because they are in offensive words.
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"There used to be a PlanetSmilies image that featured one guy chainsawing another guy - it was really graphic, with blood and guts flying everywhere.  We removed that one."
Oh.
"It's impossible to stop people finding creative ways to combine emoji or any other letters to offend. ..."
(Emphasis added.) ... So emoji are "letters" now?  I understand that they are essentially represented as Unicode text characters in the system.  But IMDb uses the Noto images to render them on the website.

From this user's perspective, I consider these images (and any cartoons made by combining them) to be "pictures" not letters.  (We can agree to disagree on this.)

...

BTW, on a related subject:

IMDb must include all emoji required by commitment to the almighty Unicode standards, right?

For example, IMDb would not have the "option" to "decide" whether or not to include the Unicode 7 "middle finger" emoji. There is no "choice", IMDb must include it, because it is part of the almighty Consortium's almighty Standard.

Just for argument's sake, suppose Planet Smilies had a middle-finger emoticon (I don't know if they ever did). Hypothetically, if they had, might IMDb have chosen not to include it?

But IMDb has no such option to omit any emoji:  Commitment to the standard requires eventual inclusion of all standard emoji, including the middle finger (and anything else that the almighty Consortium decides to add to future versions of the Standard).

If you'll pardon a silly rhetorical question (no need to answer):  Suppose the almighty Consortium were to introduce a "chainsaws and guts" emoji and make it part of the almighty Standard.  (Of course they wouldn't. But just for chuckles, imagine if they did.)  Even in that hypothetical scenario, commitment to the Standard would require IMDb to include that emoji?  (-;
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[EDIT]

I attempted to edit my previous reply, but the edit failed. I wanted to add question marks in this paragraph:

"... But IMDb has no such option to omit any emoji?  Commitment to the standard requires eventual inclusion of all standard emoji, including the middle finger (and anything else that the almighty Consortium decides to add to future versions of the Standard)?"
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I attempted to edit my previous reply, but the edit failed. I wanted to ...
That's because someone (Helen) LIKEd your post while you were editing.  It's an annoyance that could be eliminated here by giving the EDIT priority over the LIKE.
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That's because someone (Helen) LIKEd your post while you were editing.  It's an annoyance that could be eliminated here by giving the EDIT priority over the LIKE.

Wow, yeah, that is really poor functionality.  Even the misbegotten, deformed, insanely conversation-killing current version of gawdawful Kinja allows posts to get liked while they're being edited.  You'd think they could manage it here.
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What if the editor replaces his post with a flame against you? You'd look pretty stupid liking it.  When someone edits a post the LIKE link should be replaced with a notice that the post is being edited.
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DrakeStraw wrote:
What if the editor replaces his post with a flame against you? You'd look pretty stupid liking it.  When someone edits a post the LIKE link should be replaced with a notice that the post is being edited.
I personally would prefer the current functionality or this two step functionality:
1. If someone likes your post, indicate to the poster that other users like the post and that the likes will be voided if the post is edited.
2. If the edit is made, void the likes and notify the users liking the post that their likes were voided.
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Your functionality is even better.  LIKEs preëmpting EDITs is the really irritating functionality we have now.
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The fine Google folks at the Noto project have opened a ticket to track the issues raised in the IMDb boards about the appearance of the new emoji:

https://code.google.com/p/noto/issues...

We encourage everyone to get involved. Please be aware that IMDb and Google are not formally engaged on any collaboration in this matter; we're communicating out of professional courtesy but both parties will undoubtedly make independent decisions.
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https://code.google.com/p/noto/issues/detail?id=174
Excellent.

BTW:

Anyone who has a Google account can sign-in and click the "star" icon on that page to indicate interest in the issue.

The small "star" icon will be visible (at the far left of the "Issue 174..." headline) only when you are signed-in to your Google account.

After you click the star, make sure that it is then yellow, indicating that your click has been recorded.

If many people click that star, that indication of popular interest may help to prioritize the issue for developers.
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There are userscripts for Chrome and Firefox that "hide" emoji by converting them to classic smileys

You have to search deeper and harder than normal to find the scripts, but they exist and work perfectly
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If anyone finds them, please let us know here.  Distributing them to complaining users is probably IMDb's best strategy to resolve the problem.  It doesn't tax their system and would be ideal for us!  I'm a Firefox user who has so many VBA scripts to access it, it would be hard to switch to Chrome.

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