The Promise - Unjustifiably low rating becasue of political reasons

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Yesterday, September 11th, a new historical drama movie premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival. The movie called 'The Promise' was directed by Terry George (Hotel Rwanda) and is starring Christian Bale and Oscar Isaac. It tells a story about the Armenian Genocide, which was the Ottoman Empire's systematic extermination of nearly 1.5 million Armenians within the Ottoman Empire and its successor state, the Republic of Turkey.

Although undeniable evidence has been provided for over a century and a great number of countries have officially recognized the acts of the Ottoman Empire as genocide, the Turkish government is stubbornly refusing to recognize the truth.

This movie, which is based on real events, currently has rating of 1.4 after only SINGLE DAY of its release. Is the movie really that bad? VERY UNLIKELY! 92.8% of the votes (3930 out of 4235) are 1. I want to emphasize that this movie has only been released within the Toronto International Film Festival, so 4235 people could not have possibly seen it in one day.

OBVIOUSLY, the low rating is caused by Turkish people who try to deliberately lower the rating so that fewer audience watch the movie that tells about their horrendous and inhuman past. The rating of the movie is so low because of the political reasons, not because of its value as a film or a peace of art.

I would like to get the attention of IMDB on this matter. This is unacceptable! I'm asking IMDB to restore the justice. Please delete all the 1 votes from IPs in Turkey and Azerbaijan and prohibit IPs from these countries to rate this movie in the future. This can not be tolerated from such a renowned Internet service.
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Micca Maximillian

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I 100% agree with you my friend! 
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Sumru Sahinkaya

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ARMENIANS ARA KILLED THE TÜRKISH PEOPLE AND THEY KOLOBRITED WITH RUSH ARMY TOGETHER AGAINST TÜRKISH AND OTTOMAN GOVERNMENT DIDN ́T KILL WITH INTENT AND THEY MOVED THE ARMENIANS PEOPLE TO SURIEN-DURING THE SENDING HAPPEN SOME UNPLEASNETLY SITUATIONS LIKE ILLNESS; OR SOME FIGHTING IN THIS AREA LIVED MORE KURDISH THAN TURKIS-WHO MADE THIS FILM THIS PERSON HAS NO IDEA ABOUT NOTHINGS TELL TOTALLY LIE UNTRUE; ALL HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS ENVISE ABOUT 500 HUNDER TOUSANDS ARMENIANS LOST THE LIFE; ARMENIANS PEOPLE ALSO TOLD FIRST AT THIS AMOUNT TODAY YOU TALK OVER 1.5 MIL:ARE CRAZY OR TOO STUIPED SINCE WHEN DEATH PEOPLE CAN BE MORE AND MORE; WHY ARMENIANS DON ́T OPEN THE ARHIV-TÜRKISH ARHIVS ALL OPEN AND WE SAY SIT TO TABEL WITH HISTORICAL PEOPLE AND TALK BOTHS SIDE BIRNGS OWN IMPROVE DOCUMENTS ARMENIANS REFUSED IT WHY?????BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE THEY CANNOT IMPROVE THEY LIE;WE HAVE MUCH MORE TO TELL EVERN VERY RESEN STORY PLEASE REMEMBER WHAT HAPPEN IN HOCALI-AZERBAYCAN ARMENIANSA KILLED TOUSANDS AND TOUSANDS AZERBAYCANS ARMENIANS THEY ARE THE MURDER THEMSELF-REMEMBER STRASSBURG AND PERINCEK VICTORY-YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT-WE SAY DOG BARG-HORSES KEEP ON RUNNING
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Please read this. As you will see, there are two sides to every story and as is often the case, both sides are both victims and perpetrators.
In short, history is very rarely just black and white:
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/what-we-all-get-wrongaboutthearmeniangenocide.html
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Those are not true events. We never killed and destroyed Armenians. And believe or not most of the Armenians send to their home after the war.
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My grandparents were killed during those days! How dare you to say smth like that? Stop listenig to the lies of your government just remember what happens im Germany few months ago! You think that nation is also fooled by armenians!
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It's a joke? "believe or not most of the Armenians send to their home after the war"
From 14 person family only my Grand grandmother has survived. Rest of her family were brutally butchered in front of her eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Armena Jehanian

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Your grandmother is probably Armenian. Get a DNA test.
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Armena Jehanian

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Your grandmother is probably Armenian. Get a DNA test.
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Jes Gregersen

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That is just factually wrong - and it is also factually wrong when Armenians claim that Turks werent killed in these events as well.

Read this: http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/what-we-all-get-wrongaboutthearmeniangenocide.html
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Someone taught you wrong histrory. There is no FUCKING REASON why would be "make things" like this! Idiots, I have dead grand grandparents because of you, and you say these are not real? What the fuck do you have to show? Lets see - our stolen land, our holy mountain Ararat...hmmm I wonder how the fuck you got that all....
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" I have dead grand grandparents because of you" - wow, really? He's THAT old?! Come on, thats just silly and its the very reason a lot of bad shit happens in the world. He didnt kill anybody (I hope :) ), so saying something like that is just - Im sorry - stupid!
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Well, I have rated it 1 and I'm neither from Turkey nor Azerbaijan or any other neighboring country. You can't conveniently censor people's opinions just because it goes against your agenda or whatever that is.
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BTW, I am just a "Nobody", and I should add
that I am not affiliated with IMDb in any way.

I was merely quoting from something IMDb wrote on the mentioned FAQ page.

(If you disagree with IMDb's request that users should "only vote on those films that the have personally seen,"  it would probably be better to address your viewpoint to IMDb rather than to me.  ... But since IMDb is probably monitoring this thread, they will probably see your comments anyway, although I don't know if they'll respond.)
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Nobody, it's ok and I thank you for pointing that out to me. I don't disagree with any of IMDB's requests. My rating is ok and I'm still following them like it should be.
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So you have opinion without actually watching the movie? How old are you?
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Mikail: If you are rating movies based on the trailer alone, then IMDb should disregard your ratings. It doesn't matter if you are from Turkey or France or Australia or Zambia or anywhere else, or if you were rating The Promise on the trailer alone or Titanic on the trailer alone or Cinderella on the trailer alone. If you haven't seen the actual movie, you shouldn't submit a rating for it.
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Vachagan Balayan and gromit82, I'm 25 years old and I'm not going to explain all of this over again, but let me quote my previous comment:

..in some cases, like political and propaganda movies a trailer is enough to know how the full movie is going to be. A trailer isn't just there to be seen, it serves the purpose of explaining what the film is about and show the plot in a concise, yet meaningful way. It's really hard for me to rate based on a trailer because trailers do actually catch me and make me want to watch the rest to know what else there is to it. Some are an exception because you can clearly see where that's going.
What I'm doing is not just rating the trailer or the movie. I'm rating the movie portrayal and its bad execution (biased and propagandistic) as a whole.

Anything else is your personal view of the rating system which you can abide yourself by if you want, but not enforce to other people, not even by means of resorting to IMDB staff to do so. It's just an authoritarian thing to do in a democratic website like IMDB. Full stop.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The promise.

Low rating -UNJUSTIFIED

On
the 11th of September  TIFF aired "The Promise" directed by
Terry George. The movie is about a love triangle and the events are taking
place back in 1915 during the events of Armenian Genocide by Ottoman Turks. For
more than a century this topic has almost never been screened for a worldwide
public and this attempt with a talented Director and cast is unprecedented. 
Today I was disturbed by the low rating of the
film and the fact that Turkish and Azerbaijanian activists are trying to underscore the movie to prevent its success in access to wider public is just devastating obvious fact. 
I would kindly ask IMDb to draw the attention on
rating banners especially in the countries where the movie has not been
premiered yet. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The Promise is not out and people with political motives are alreayd voting 1 sta....

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt4776998/ this movie is not out and people with political motives are alreayd voting 1 star on it. 7,000 votes? Come on.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Unacceptable organised "The Promise" movie rating drop.

Turkish and Azerbaijani activists started rating the movie "The Promise" with a rating of 1/10, this is an unacceptable behavior and I consider this to be ruining a great movie and a piece of art!! This is a big problem since many people base their opinions and decisions on whether or not to watch a movie on the IMBd rating.
I think this problem should be fixed. Voters from Turkey and Azerbaijan should be banned from rating this movie and their votes that have occurred already should not be taken into consideration.
Thank you.
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Let's just put politics aside, should we? There are plenty of historical inaccurate movies, many of them are obviously false, like the one where Soviet Union takes over USA, but I don't recall people got crazy about it. Art is above politics. I haven't seen the movie and don't like historical dramas to begin with, and I don't want to rate it 10 just because I'm Armenian(it may be peace of crap, who knows) this whole "rate based on content bull shit" is just immature. Just let people watch the movie and decide how good is it. In other case, rating system would be compromised.
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I'm Turkish and I agree. This smear campaign is being run by a group similar to neo-nazis and spread all over the internet. They think they're defending their culture or something. IMDb should fix this. 
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And also, it doesn't matter if those events are real. It's a movie, a fiction. Not a documentary. Unfortunately, our people can't understand that. If one stands against that, they call him a traitor...
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90% I agree whith you, friend. The political reasons are despicable. But,prohibit IPs from these countries to rate this movie? That is censure. I think is possible find another way to control this acts.

Sorry for my english, I do my best 
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I am open to better ways of solving this issue.
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Maybe you should just deal with it. When Dark Knight came out, it was a downvoting fest between it and the Godfather, the reason why Shawshank Redemption rose to #1. It also happened for Ghostbusters this year. There isn't a solution to this, some people will always vote before watching and some will vote unreasonably based on their political/social/religious/gender/world views. It's censoring to prevent them.
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Please read this. As you will see, there are two sides to every story and as is often the case, both sides are both victims and perpetrators.
In short, history is very rarely just black and white:
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/what-we-all-get-wrongaboutthearmeniangenocide.html

And sure, a movie should never be rated because of politics. That would render many American movies potential targets for hate-votes - lets be honest.

But dont do the IP-thing, thats a slippery slope.....really bad. Who will be prohibited from voting the next time then? Germans, when another WWII-movie is released?
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Yet if you checked out the comments section, the writer was accused of being a denier and a revisionist. People don't demand discussion like the director of the movie claims, they want subordination and land reparation. That's why Turkish government and people take a hard line on this whole issue. We went through 2 decades of ASALA terrorism in recent history and who talks about it? Nobody. Because people don't care about both sides, but the side that's culturally and religiously more close to them.
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Barış Ergün

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Yes, remove 26411 counts of fake 10 point votes as well which take up 34.2% of the vote right now which is the same percentage Citizen Kane has.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Only reviews with very high scores are being permitted on The Promise, low scores....

All reviews with low scores are being deleted on The Promise, while high score-reviews are being permitted. Isn't this exactly the "Do you find this review helpful" button is for? If a review is bad, let people vote it down. Don't prevent them from seeing different opinions. Otherwise it's unwarranted censorship by IMDB that skews the review pools unfairly. And that's not a site I would trust to read reviews on if there's such a biased censorship process.

From now on, how can I trust IMDB user reviews? Who knows the reason they might have deleted a review, if they had an agreement with the production company or whomever. It's clearly unhealthy.

And before anyone starts, there were ones among which criticized just the movie without mentioning the related political issues.
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I don't see why this was merged. While this thread is about people's voting, mine was about IMDB's censorship actions and it's a separate issue.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Fake votes on "The Promise" (2016).

A few days ago Turks and Azeri's started downvoting the film The Promise (which will be released in December) for the sole reason that the story revolves around the 1915 Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire. As a response, Armenians are now upvoting the film. These links show how many people are being exhorted to engage in fake voting. 

http://incisozluk.com.tr/w/t%C3%BCrk-d%C3%BC%C5%9Fman%C4%B1-film-%C3%A7ekiliyor-gelin-beyler/

https://www.facebook.com/samvel/posts/10154528953808781

This can continue indefinitely. Please resolve this issue, so that The Promise can have a fair rating.
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Thanks for all the comments. For information on how IMDb calculates user ratings and answers to the most common questions regarding voting (including situations like the one referenced in this thread), please refer to the our FAQ located at http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?votestopfaq which includes all information we are able to share about this topic.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled The Promise: Abusive reviews and comments on discussion boards.

On Sunday, a movie entitled "The Promise" premiered at the Toronto Film Festival. It is about the genocide committed by the Ottoman Empire in 1915-1923 against not only Armenians, but also against Assyrians and Greeks. Two days later, there are more than a dozen one-star reviews from Turks who have not seen it, whose reviews cannot be anything more than propaganda. In addition, the message board is full of both historical nonsense and racist remarks aimed at Armenians. I don't know how you might do it, but I call upon the owners of the IMDB to police the discussion boards to remove racist comments, and to remove reviews from people who clearly have not seen the movie, and are engaged in a disinformation campaign against it.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled 'The Promise' and how it has received an unprecedented amount of negative reviews....

Dear IMDb, Yesterday I stumbled upon an article about a film called 'The Promise' and how it has received an unprecedented amount of negative reviews on your site. This film has been screened three times, one being at the Toronto Film Festival on September 11, 2016. And yet it has over 55,000 1-star reviews. How is that possible? This film is about a touchy subject for many because it centers around the time the Ottoman Empire carried out a genocide against the Armenian people. But since it is not possible that all these people have seen the film considering the simple fact that it has not been released anywhere yet, how can people leave negative reviews about a film they've never seen? In my humble opinion, it really questions your website's credibility. This film was produced by someone who had a vision and his name was Kirk Kerkorian. He put many of his earnings on the line to put this movie into production. The director, Terry George, is one of the most renowned and respected in Hollywood. The cast is made up of countless brilliant actors. This film has quality written all over it and yet it is being unfairly rated down by people who haven't seen it. It is a known fact that the Turkish government and people have been denying this genocide for over a century and are willing to go to great lengths for it to remain unrecognized. But to allow your website to become a weapon of Turkish denial and propaganda is not the standard that your company set for itself when IMDb was launched. Your website has always been a respectable portal of knowledge about all films of the world, so I am in real disbelief as to why a film that has not been released to the public is being defamed and down-rated by Internet trolls. As I said, this whole situation just questions the validity of IMDb. Please do not allow this to keep happening. There are so many people who dedicated their time and effort to the making of this film. They spent millions of dollars to make it happen. This film tells a story of an event that the world needs to know about. And until people have the chance to see it with their own eyes and in turn draw their own conclusions, please do not allow this kind of spiteful rating to continue. Please do not let your site become another place of hateful political ranting. It only does you a great disservice. Sincerely, Gary Malhas

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