The Promise - Unjustifiably low rating becasue of political reasons

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Yesterday, September 11th, a new historical drama movie premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival. The movie called 'The Promise' was directed by Terry George (Hotel Rwanda) and is starring Christian Bale and Oscar Isaac. It tells a story about the Armenian Genocide, which was the Ottoman Empire's systematic extermination of nearly 1.5 million Armenians within the Ottoman Empire and its successor state, the Republic of Turkey.

Although undeniable evidence has been provided for over a century and a great number of countries have officially recognized the acts of the Ottoman Empire as genocide, the Turkish government is stubbornly refusing to recognize the truth.

This movie, which is based on real events, currently has rating of 1.4 after only SINGLE DAY of its release. Is the movie really that bad? VERY UNLIKELY! 92.8% of the votes (3930 out of 4235) are 1. I want to emphasize that this movie has only been released within the Toronto International Film Festival, so 4235 people could not have possibly seen it in one day.

OBVIOUSLY, the low rating is caused by Turkish people who try to deliberately lower the rating so that fewer audience watch the movie that tells about their horrendous and inhuman past. The rating of the movie is so low because of the political reasons, not because of its value as a film or a peace of art.

I would like to get the attention of IMDB on this matter. This is unacceptable! I'm asking IMDB to restore the justice. Please delete all the 1 votes from IPs in Turkey and Azerbaijan and prohibit IPs from these countries to rate this movie in the future. This can not be tolerated from such a renowned Internet service.
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Micca Maximillian

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I 100% agree with you my friend! 
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Sumru Sahinkaya

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ARMENIANS ARA KILLED THE TÜRKISH PEOPLE AND THEY KOLOBRITED WITH RUSH ARMY TOGETHER AGAINST TÜRKISH AND OTTOMAN GOVERNMENT DIDN ́T KILL WITH INTENT AND THEY MOVED THE ARMENIANS PEOPLE TO SURIEN-DURING THE SENDING HAPPEN SOME UNPLEASNETLY SITUATIONS LIKE ILLNESS; OR SOME FIGHTING IN THIS AREA LIVED MORE KURDISH THAN TURKIS-WHO MADE THIS FILM THIS PERSON HAS NO IDEA ABOUT NOTHINGS TELL TOTALLY LIE UNTRUE; ALL HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS ENVISE ABOUT 500 HUNDER TOUSANDS ARMENIANS LOST THE LIFE; ARMENIANS PEOPLE ALSO TOLD FIRST AT THIS AMOUNT TODAY YOU TALK OVER 1.5 MIL:ARE CRAZY OR TOO STUIPED SINCE WHEN DEATH PEOPLE CAN BE MORE AND MORE; WHY ARMENIANS DON ́T OPEN THE ARHIV-TÜRKISH ARHIVS ALL OPEN AND WE SAY SIT TO TABEL WITH HISTORICAL PEOPLE AND TALK BOTHS SIDE BIRNGS OWN IMPROVE DOCUMENTS ARMENIANS REFUSED IT WHY?????BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE THEY CANNOT IMPROVE THEY LIE;WE HAVE MUCH MORE TO TELL EVERN VERY RESEN STORY PLEASE REMEMBER WHAT HAPPEN IN HOCALI-AZERBAYCAN ARMENIANSA KILLED TOUSANDS AND TOUSANDS AZERBAYCANS ARMENIANS THEY ARE THE MURDER THEMSELF-REMEMBER STRASSBURG AND PERINCEK VICTORY-YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT-WE SAY DOG BARG-HORSES KEEP ON RUNNING
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Please read this. As you will see, there are two sides to every story and as is often the case, both sides are both victims and perpetrators.
In short, history is very rarely just black and white:
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/what-we-all-get-wrongaboutthearmeniangenocide.html
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Görkem Demirel

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Those are not true events. We never killed and destroyed Armenians. And believe or not most of the Armenians send to their home after the war.
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Ani Rafyan-Galstyan

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My grandparents were killed during those days! How dare you to say smth like that? Stop listenig to the lies of your government just remember what happens im Germany few months ago! You think that nation is also fooled by armenians!
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It's a joke? "believe or not most of the Armenians send to their home after the war"
From 14 person family only my Grand grandmother has survived. Rest of her family were brutally butchered in front of her eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Armena Jehanian

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Your grandmother is probably Armenian. Get a DNA test.
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Armena Jehanian

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Your grandmother is probably Armenian. Get a DNA test.
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Jes Gregersen

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That is just factually wrong - and it is also factually wrong when Armenians claim that Turks werent killed in these events as well.

Read this: http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/what-we-all-get-wrongaboutthearmeniangenocide.html
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Someone taught you wrong histrory. There is no FUCKING REASON why would be "make things" like this! Idiots, I have dead grand grandparents because of you, and you say these are not real? What the fuck do you have to show? Lets see - our stolen land, our holy mountain Ararat...hmmm I wonder how the fuck you got that all....
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Jes Gregersen

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" I have dead grand grandparents because of you" - wow, really? He's THAT old?! Come on, thats just silly and its the very reason a lot of bad shit happens in the world. He didnt kill anybody (I hope :) ), so saying something like that is just - Im sorry - stupid!
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Well, I have rated it 1 and I'm neither from Turkey nor Azerbaijan or any other neighboring country. You can't conveniently censor people's opinions just because it goes against your agenda or whatever that is.
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BTW, I am just a "Nobody", and I should add
that I am not affiliated with IMDb in any way.

I was merely quoting from something IMDb wrote on the mentioned FAQ page.

(If you disagree with IMDb's request that users should "only vote on those films that the have personally seen,"  it would probably be better to address your viewpoint to IMDb rather than to me.  ... But since IMDb is probably monitoring this thread, they will probably see your comments anyway, although I don't know if they'll respond.)
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Nobody, it's ok and I thank you for pointing that out to me. I don't disagree with any of IMDB's requests. My rating is ok and I'm still following them like it should be.
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So you have opinion without actually watching the movie? How old are you?
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Mikail: If you are rating movies based on the trailer alone, then IMDb should disregard your ratings. It doesn't matter if you are from Turkey or France or Australia or Zambia or anywhere else, or if you were rating The Promise on the trailer alone or Titanic on the trailer alone or Cinderella on the trailer alone. If you haven't seen the actual movie, you shouldn't submit a rating for it.
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Vachagan Balayan and gromit82, I'm 25 years old and I'm not going to explain all of this over again, but let me quote my previous comment:

..in some cases, like political and propaganda movies a trailer is enough to know how the full movie is going to be. A trailer isn't just there to be seen, it serves the purpose of explaining what the film is about and show the plot in a concise, yet meaningful way. It's really hard for me to rate based on a trailer because trailers do actually catch me and make me want to watch the rest to know what else there is to it. Some are an exception because you can clearly see where that's going.
What I'm doing is not just rating the trailer or the movie. I'm rating the movie portrayal and its bad execution (biased and propagandistic) as a whole.

Anything else is your personal view of the rating system which you can abide yourself by if you want, but not enforce to other people, not even by means of resorting to IMDB staff to do so. It's just an authoritarian thing to do in a democratic website like IMDB. Full stop.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Unacceptable organised "The Promise" movie rating drop.

Turkish and Azerbaijani activists started rating the movie "The Promise" with a rating of 1/10, this is an unacceptable behavior and I consider this to be ruining a great movie and a piece of art!! This is a big problem since many people base their opinions and decisions on whether or not to watch a movie on the IMBd rating.
I think this problem should be fixed. Voters from Turkey and Azerbaijan should be banned from rating this movie and their votes that have occurred already should not be taken into consideration.
Thank you.
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Let's just put politics aside, should we? There are plenty of historical inaccurate movies, many of them are obviously false, like the one where Soviet Union takes over USA, but I don't recall people got crazy about it. Art is above politics. I haven't seen the movie and don't like historical dramas to begin with, and I don't want to rate it 10 just because I'm Armenian(it may be peace of crap, who knows) this whole "rate based on content bull shit" is just immature. Just let people watch the movie and decide how good is it. In other case, rating system would be compromised.
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I'm Turkish and I agree. This smear campaign is being run by a group similar to neo-nazis and spread all over the internet. They think they're defending their culture or something. IMDb should fix this. 
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And also, it doesn't matter if those events are real. It's a movie, a fiction. Not a documentary. Unfortunately, our people can't understand that. If one stands against that, they call him a traitor...

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