The "Tom and Jerry" shorts have now been converted to episodes of a TV series

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8335206/episodes

Other IMDb users have alerted the staff to faux TV series of this kind; but this is the first time I've seen the actual films in a series converted into TV episodes. How in the world could this happen?
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Posted 10 months ago

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Strange. It’s pretty clear that the first TV series was released in the 1970s:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_T...
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Jeorj Euler

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It might possibly help if certain facts were transcribed into the trivia sections of the pertinent titles on IMDb.
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This is very frustrating. Why would anyone try to convert these theatrical cartoons into episode of a TV series, and why would the IMDb staff accept those submissions? I submitted a deletion for a supposed TV series of "Tom & Jerry" that supposedly debuted in 1940 years ago, and that deletion was accepted. (See https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/tom_and_jerry_cartoon_is_missing_from_imdb.)

If contributors don't know that these cartoons were made for theatrical release, why would they assume that they know better than everyone else and decide to convert them into TV episodes? And doesn't the IMDb staff know that these cartoons were made for theatrical release, and there was only limited television broadcasting going on anywhere until after World War II?

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I agree and fully support this reaction. It is up to IMDb teams to correct and take necessary action to prevent the situation from being altered again.

This must include a training on what these people are working on, i.e. history of the visual communication. All these qualifiers (movie, TV movie, short, Series, etc.) were not created at random. Learn what they do mean and the reason why it does exist.
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It's possible that some of these IMDb users know better, but still want to see the films collected into a series. Their only option is to create a faux TV series (which they KNOW is not a real TV series) and collect them that way. Just a possibility.

As to why the staff accepts these updates: I agree that they lack some important knowledge about film and TV history.
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J.: I suppose it's possible that some users wanted to see the shorts collected into a series, but that might be a reason for them to create duplicate entries for the films and put them into a TV series. (That doesn't accord with IMDb policy, but I can imagine people wanting to do that.)

But what has happened is that they wound up converting the shorts into TV episodes altogether -- leaving no short film entries for those films.
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Yes, this is a much worse problem than before. At least the faux TV series left the original films untouched.

I wish I knew exactly what the contributor was thinking when he did this.
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This just was brought up about the Looney Tunes shorts from the 1930's too. It took somebody a long time to submit them. It will eventually be all for naught.
To Whoever reads this also. Bad movies that show up on Mystery Science Theater are not episodes. Figured I'd put that in just in case somebody actually looks before they leap! LOL
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Thanks for the problem report. We have opened a ticket with the appropriate team.
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In my opinion,  I believe that this should be a series (as with Looney Tunes as well), because it will help users find the episodes easier and these actually did air on TV. I have always thought of Tom and Jerry and Looney Tunes as a series cause they did air on TV.)
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IMDb could definitely stand to benefit from implementations of some paradigms that account collections of feature movies and short movies. Thus far, keywords have been used for that purpose.
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Not as episodes of a series, but as individual films IF they were previously shown in a theatre, or released on video.  Their ORIGINAL release dates (in theaters or video) should guarantee that they are separate titles.  As parts (episodes) of a series, most (all?) were reruns, rereleases, redistributions.

This also should apply to other series (like Independent Eye, Wonderful World of Disney, etc.) where films were released before/after a TV showing. Right now, there are double listings for titles as both a separate film and as an episode in a TV series.

This will be an enormous project to correct.  Good luck.
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I have always thought of Tom and Jerry and Looney Tunes as a series cause they did air on TV.
Please provide details of which TV stations these theatrical shorts aired upon before they were shown theatrically?
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They aired after on TV but Looney Tunes aired on Cartoon Network and Boomerang and Nickelodeon.  And Tom and Jerry aired on Cartoon Network. and Loony Tunes also aired on TNT as well.

http://looneytunes.wikia.com/wiki/Looney_Tunes

http://looneytunes.wikia.com/wiki/Cartoon_Network

http://tomandjerry.wikia.com/wiki/Cartoon_Network

http://looneytunes.wikia.com/wiki/TNT_(Network)

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These are theatrical shorts, and separate titles, and must be kept as such.

I do agree we need pages for movie series. There could be a "Tom and Jerry" page, an "Our Gang" page, a "Star Wars" page, etc. Each page would list the films in the series and link to them.
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They aired after on TV
Then why did you merge them into the TV-series?  This is against policy and has created significant clean-up work, which in turn will delay other people's contributions while we deal with it, and it will have a severe impact on your accuracy rating. 

Please ensure you are fully familiar with the guides and policies at https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/submission-guides-a-z/GWBAHK9SAM... and https://help.imdb.com/contribution
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Because I thought I was helping make it easier to find the episodes, sir and if IMdb does want to keep them as shorts then may i suggest that they add

Tom and Jerry: [title]

to the shorts as a alternate title so users can still find them without having them as a series? Would that work?
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Hi, unknown1000. The addition of AKA title items bearing the "(imdb display title)" attribute could be helpful in that regard, along with making sure that each short movie has a proper primary image and a keyword that reflects constituency in a collection of short movies.
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Unknown1000, IMDb doesn’t work like that, so the current discussion is pretty much irrelevant. Theatrical shorts cannot be bundled together as a ”TV series”.
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For clarification's sake, all titles of the database are cataloged according to how they were originally published.
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"Looney Tunes" (1930)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8889974/reference

Has Gromit already addressed this one? Happily, none of the "Looney Tunes" or "Merrie Melodies" shorts have been converted into episodes.


"The Little Rascals" (1955)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0278213/reference

This is a real TV series, but each episode consists of two edited theatrical shorts from the "Our Gang" series. Someone is adding the titles of the shorts as if each one is an episode. Also: the cast members should either be deleted or marked with the attribute, "archive footage."

The Three Stooges (1933)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3572530/reference

Apparently, this "short" is supposed to represent the entirety of the theatrical series. The cast includes Joe Besser, Joe DeRita, and Shemp Howard, who starred in the series much later than 1933.



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Thanks (and sorry).  Details added to the clean-up ticket. 
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"The Woody Woodpecker Show" (1957)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0184175/episodes

This is a real series, hosted by Walter Lantz. It includes both original animation and footage from the theatrical Walter Lantz cartoons.

Yet someone has added fake episodes to it. These fake episodes are duplicates of episodes from the 1999 series, also called "The Woody Woodpecker Show." Each 6-minute segment from the 1999 show is added as a full episode to the 1957 show!
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For reference three other threads about this problem: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/tv-series-looney-tunes-1930-ongoing (about a Looney Tunes and, thanks to Gromit, a Tom and Jerry series that has since been deleted), https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/tv-series-looney-tunes-1930-ongoing-part-2 (again about a Looney Tunes series that has since been deleted) and https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/blocking-tv-shows-that-cant-be-that-old, where the following list might be useful for the clean-up ticket Col mentioned upthread: https://www.imdb.com/search/title?title_type=tv_series&release_date=,1924-01-01






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Hi all, 

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We have now rectified the title types for all of these Tom & Jerry movies and taken internal steps to avoid this happening again.

Regarding other threads that Marco has referenced, these are being handled separately and we will update you when we have more information. 

Please allow 24 hours for these title changes to update across all platforms of the site and if any further issues are identified with these, do let us know. 

Best wishes, 
Josie.