This is just ugly: Trivia bullet lists

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When you add a trivia that includes a bulleted list as instructed in the submission guide, which would then tell you "Leading whitespace has been removed from the field 'Text'" and remove the space at the beginning of each line, which is another joke, this is what it's going to end up looking like:

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Boy. Is. This. Ugly.

If you check the HTML source you see two line breaks at the end of each line, which blows my mind. If a trivia item like this needs any line breaks, it must be right before and after the list (aside from whether or not anyone is still allowed to use line breaks in this day and age because I'm just talking about aesthetics here and it's a site that's been around forever so you have to give it the benefit of the doubt (which also leads me to believe this phenomenon is itself a byproduct of a redesign. It had to have been)).

I've also seen these trivias which have something like a list but not a bulleted one, probably edited by users who felt the same way that I did because I don't think IMDb accepts a trivia with two or more paragraphs.
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For bulleted lists, start the lines in the list with " - " (i.e. space, hyphen, space).
For paragraph breaks, use a double newline.
Probably a stupid question, but how do you add "double newline"?
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Hit Return (Enter) twice.

Basically what I have just done in this message.
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Hi Nardog -

Thanks for your feedback, I'm running this by our data editors to confirm that the bullet trivia items for this title are relevant as per our policy.  When I hear back on the status I will provide the information here.
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Thank you for your reply, but it seems like you didn't get what I was trying to get across at all.

I guess I should have been more clear about this, but my problem has nothing to do with this specific title. Or "IMDb Content" (I first posted this under "IMDb.com" but it was later moved to "IMDb Content" seemingly by your staff). Rather, it's all about markup, how it's coded, of ANY trivia item with a bulleted list on ANY title , and I assume that's not something your "data editors" can possibly take care of.

And I also should have mentioned that two line breaks are always generated after a bullet point regardless of how many line breaks there are after it in the raw submission. So all you should do is just to remove "<br /><br />" from wherever responsible in the site's source code, and perhaps tweak some CSS to make it look nicer (e.g. remove "margin:0;" for "ul" elements in the CSS). (Plus, correct the trivia submission guide: "' - ' (i.e. space, hyphen, space)" --> "'- ' (i.e. hyphen, space)", because sending a trivia that includes a line starting with a space is simply not possible as I mentioned in the original post)
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As for sending a trivia with bullet points, I figured out that from the mobile site you could in fact submit a line starting with " - " – except it won't become a bullet point. So, not only is it impossible to submit a line starting with " - " via the normal site (yet you'd still end up sending a bullet list), but it is possible via the mobile site... except it doesn't work (i.e. you must start a line with "- ", not " - " to make a bullet point). I'm sorry, but you should fix at least the submission guide immediately.

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*bump*
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And I also should have mentioned that two line breaks are always generated after a bullet point regardless of how many line breaks there are after it in the raw submission. 
This seems to be true. I recently added some (alternate version) bullet points and they look like the Pulp Fiction example in the first post. There's unnecessary line break (only one is needed, I believe). So I believe Nardog is onto something here.
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There's unnecessary line break (only one is needed, I believe).
No, you don't even need one line break. Each bullet point (<li>) is a block element (i.e. a paragraph), not an inline one (<i>, <a>, etc.); hence even if you add only one line break it will still create an unnecessary white space after each bullet point (it'll be just half as big as it is now).
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Hit Return (Enter) twice. 

Basically what I have just done in this message.

(IMDB guide: For paragraph breaks, use a double newline.)

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I added some info to the alternate version section of a TV series and added some paragraph breaks using a double newline as suggested above. Well, now it's basically just a "wall of text" on the IMDB site and doesn't look very pretty. 

Short example:

(Original submission)

They were originally broadcast in the UK in 1983 on Central Independent Television, as part of its "Watch It!" strand of children's programming.

No major scenes are missing from the original episode, but some of the shots are missing or rearranged in the UK version...

(text on the IMDB)

They were originally broadcast in the UK in 1983 on Central Independent Television, as part of its "Watch It!" strand of children's programming. No major scenes are missing from the original episode, but some of the shots are missing or rearranged in the UK version...
So it seems that the double newline is removed during the submission process? Before I start correcting anything (and I'm adding a TV series where basically every episode has some alternate version notes, so there's also that): did I miss something here?

Thanks.
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What I believe is that submissions with multiple paragraphs in trivia, goofs, alternate versions and crazy credits are not accepted (edited down to one paragraph or rejected altogether) in most cases. But whatever the case, this is going really off-topic so I recommend you to start a new discussion if you'd like to continue the conversation.
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I can start a new discussion, sure, but I kinda thought that these issues/problems with page formatting could be related (layout and page formatting for trivia, alternate versions, etc). But I'm most definitely not an expert on these formatting issues (as you can probably tell).

What I believe is that submissions with multiple paragraphs in trivia, goofs, alternate versions and crazy credits are not accepted (edited down to one paragraph or rejected altogether) in most cases. 
Rejections or edits by the data editors are not a problem in my particular case (the info itself is based on proper research). Problem is the "wall of text" on the IMDB page, even when the original text included paragraph breaks.

Just wondering how to fix the text formatting? Should I use [p] with trivia/alternate versions/etc like with, I believe, character bios?
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