Title correction not approved

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I can't evaluate whether this is still pending or else it was already declined. It is not listed in my Contribution History (Beta). Would you please take a look?

https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/update?load=190911-231837-641000




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It looks like the primary title text change was rejected as the title first aired under the title HOLLYWOOD’S SECOND WORLD WAR. Is this not the case?
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At first in quotes the entire explanation that was included in my submission:
This [Hollywoods Zweiter Weltkrieg] is the title as it appears in the opening credits of the title in its original German TV premiere [8 September 2019].
"Hollywood's Second World War" is not mentioned on the producers website (German):
http://florianfilm.de/suche_13.html
"Hollywood's Second World War" seems to be an international pre-release title when the docu was shown at Docutah Festival on 3 September 2019. Please see the following website:
https://docutah.com/showcase/hollywoods-second-world-war/
https://docutah.com/2019-docutah-festival-schedule/
I could not find the title [Hollywood's Second World War] anywhere else.
Additionally here is the website of the world-wide distributer Global Screen, where the world-wide English title and also the original title (German) are shown:
https://www.globalscreen.de/mm/en/content/131914
The title "Hollywood's Second World War" is not mentioned there.

I only found this title on the website of the Docutah Festival, where the ducu was shown 5 days prior to the German TV premiere.



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If it was shown as "Hollywood's Second World War" at a festival, then that release date and title name are valid inclusions and should remain. IMDb always defers to any titles "First" release titling as the "Official" Title.
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If this is how IMDb wants it, I have to accept it. I personally see the festival title more like some sort of working title.
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Staff will clarify when they reply.
You can submit an AKA and its release date.
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This is correct.
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Release day submitted.
AKA-titles seem to be complete, one title even seems to be duplicate.



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Release day approved :-)
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Now you know why your title correction was not approved. It was already the new title. This maintains the changes and the date progressions chain of accuracy in the database.

So this is SOLVED!!!!
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Hmm. I'm still unsure. I think it would be better to correct it this way (see image):


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Are you privy to specific information as to what was the pages title at the day of creation?
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I don't know when the page was created, but when I got to the page for the first time the title was "Hollywood's Second World War".
At that time the French AKA-title was already there.

Then I added the world-wide English title and the German working title as well.
Two times I tried to change the original title to "Hollywoods Zweiter Weltkrieg", and probably that's why this title now is listed two times as AKA-title.
190909-184238-835000
190911-231837-641000
190916-170519-969000
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Just now I spotted the author of the storyline on the IMDb title-page. It's the director of exactly this documentary.
Sadly I can't see his e-mail or any other way to contact him. Maybe IMDb-staff can?
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the author of the storyline on the IMDb title-page. It's the director
Post the article please.
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Did you mean this way?

Storyline / Plot Summary
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10757818/


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Misunderstood you.
That is irrelevant.
Sorry.
Unless you have prima facia evidence that the title was never intended to be what it is, you should never change a thing.
Fan based changes based off incomplete knowledge makes for challenging repairs on some titles. I just went through a nightmare on Godzilla (Gojira) (1984) and Godzilla 1985 (1985). While contributors had the best intentions, they based the changes to the titles "Title" without proper research.

As a general rule the title is more than likely correct. It is best not to make a title change contribution if you are not involved directly with the production.

In the future it would be best to discuss here a proposed title change before you contribute. You will get good answers, and can proceed with confidence that you are doing the right thing.

I recently posted a proposal for a genre removal for a kaleidoscope from 1899 before I made the actual submission.

Better to be correct then use your best guess.

I don't make title corrections as a general rule. Reason: It is darn near impossible to know your correct, unless you have read as many articles on the internet as possible. And that does not guarantee that what you read may be correct.
First hand knowledge is the only true way. Knowing the Producer or Director would be good. Reading about or watching a video....well that can't be trusted either. Peoples memories may not be good. Or they have an axe to grind and may mislead on purpose.

Wise words of yesteryear.
Believe HALF of what you hear.......and NONE of what you see!!! (Especially on the Net)
Or the reverse!!! LOL
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Thank you for sharing your experiences and I respect your opinions.
(Regarding the Godzilla AKAs I also could have a few suggestions, but this does not belong here.)

I still believe the websites of the production company and of the world-wide distributor should be highly reliable.
https://www.globalscreen.de/mm/en/content/131914
http://florianfilm.de/suche_13.html

Plus, the schedule for the Docutah Festival (containing the title of the docu) was posted 3 months prior to the date of the festival exhibition (and of the German TV premiere), that's why I have doubts whether they already knew the final orginal titel or whether they just used a working title.
https://docutah.com/showcase/hollywoods-second-world-war/
https://docutah.com/2019-docutah-festival-schedule/
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Last time..............

As a general rule the title is more than likely correct. It is best not to make a title change contribution if you are not involved directly with the production.
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Understood :-)