Top billed cast appearing after extras on film page, numerous edits to fix this not updating.

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The film Son of a Gun  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2452200/ 

The credits should have its top billed cast, including Ewan McGregor, Brenton Thwaites and Alicia Vikander in that order. Instead, extras appear above them. I have put in numerous requests to edit this and yet the extras and non billing actors, still appear above the leads. 

The current order is random, it is not even following order of appearance, which would not even be correct. It is all over the place. 

Ewan McGregor is co-lead with Brenton Thwaites and is the top billed cast. 

Ewan McGregor is the 1st Billing order as listed in the credits. Has a single, first title card in the end credits before rolling titles. Is Co-lead of film is on billing block on the poster. Marketed as the Co-star of the film in all media.

Brenton Thwaits is the 2nd Billing order as listed in the credits. Has a single, second title card in the end credits before rolling titles. Is Co-lead of film is on billing block on the poster. Marketed as the Co-star of the film in all media.

Alicia Vikander is 3rd Billing order as listed in the credits. She has a single 3rd title card in end credits before rolling titles. Is the supporting lead of film. Is on the billing block on the poster. Marketed as the supporting star of the film in all media.

Could someone please help me rectify this once and for all. All these links confirm the billing, not sure why IMDB wont fix the issue. 

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/son_of_a_gun_2015/

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/son_of_a_gun_2015/

http://variety.com/2014/film/festivals/film-review-son-of-a-gun-1201333251/


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Sorry about that.  The cast is in appearance order (see below) and someone had mangled the order into a poor combination of the actual order and their idea of what the order should be.  IMDb always uses the on-screen billing order which is why your corrections will have been rejected. This has been fixed now and the separate principle cast order at the top of the page has been set correctly too. 

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Thank you so much for doing that so quickly, however they still are not correct. Could you correct it in the order that the billing appears in the end credits. I have attached the exact order of billed cast in the end credits. 

IMDB states that:

"Our pages display cast lists in the same order as they appeared in the most complete onscreen listing found in the movie (usually the end credits)."

http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?starsnotcreditedfirst

The first billed cast are still not listed in their correct order. 

In the end credits, The SINGLE TITLE CARDS come before The rolling title, which you have attached and so should be credited in order they are billed/appear in the end credits. 

Ewan McGregor is the first billed, and has his OWN SINGLE title card. Then Brenton Thwaites has his own SINGLE TITLE CARD followed by Alicia Vikander and so on. 

Then the rolling credits which you have included an image of. 

So the order on the IMDB page should be: 

Ewan McGregor
Brenton Thwaites
Alicia Vikander 
Jacek Koman
Matt Nable
Tom Budge
Eddie Baroo
Nash Edgerton
Damon Heriman

Then rolling credits. 

I'd really appreciate it if you could update it for me... 

Thanks again. 

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Hey Oops_e,

In the end credits, The SINGLE TITLE CARDS come before The rolling title, which you have attached and so should be credited in order they are billed/appear in the end credits.
The Submission Guide:Order states:
  • Acting credits are ordered according to the most comprehensive cast list (the one listing the most actors); in most cases, this will be the list appearing in the end credits.

The one listing the most actors is the Order of Appearance list that includes those named on separate screens as well as the rest of the cast. That is the order IMDb lists. That guide also states:

  • We are aware that casts in order of appearance or alphabetical order sometimes mean a lead actor is buried relatively deep in the cast list. This is somewhat unfortunate. We do have a separate system for indicating the lead actors, but it is not yet in widespread use through the database.
which reinforces that order of appearance lists are commonly used and describes the "stars system" that at least separately lists the three main stars, instead of the first three credited in the overview at the top of the page.

The order listed above by IMDb CEO and founder, Col Needham, is indeed the order IMDb will list.
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Thanks for your speedy response! 

I'm just wondering why it says "first billed only" on the actual IMDb page then? 

Shouldn't the first billed in the end credits (the onscreen billing order) be what is used, rather than 'the most actors'. 

Having a non speaking extra who is billed after the co-lead in the end credits, be listed before the co-lead on IMDb, even though it states 'first billed'... is misleading. 

I'm just trying to understand how the intention of the filmmakers when giving their cast a single title card credit first, as a sign of respect and common sense, could then be used against them because of what is essentially semantics. If the cast was in a block of actors first, it wouldn't be an issue, but because the filmmakers have done single title credits, they are negatively impacted. 

Shouldn't the order of credits on IMDb reflect the correct order of on screen billing in the film?

If it is an issue that comes up time and time again, why doesn't IMDb just rectify their policy so that the correct order is listed and the intention of the filmmakers, the cast and the public would all be satisfied. 

Again, thank you for getting back so quickly.