Tricky Awards Correction

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When IMDb changed its awards submission process a couple years ago, all awards not submitted as 1st place wins were automatically defaulted to nominations. This required filmmakers to resubmit previous (non-first place) award wins, such as a 2nd Place Jury Prize, or a Silver Award, or Bronze Remi, etc. in order to be recorded as wins once again. 

The problem I'm having concerns two awards from the Bare Bones Int'l Film Festival - a 3rd Place Bonehead Award from 2014 and a 2nd Place Bonehead Award from 2015. This festival doesn't maintain a record of past winners from year-to-year on its website. Instead, it publishes its annual finalists and winners using PDFs linked from its website, and then deactivates these links sometime before the next annual fest.

How can I resubmit these awards without having an active link to Bare Bones' 2014 and 2015 winners for IMDb staffers to verify -- as they had already done with the original submissions? 
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Seth Kozak

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Peter, Champion

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I found some links that may help:


2015: https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/news/...

2014: https://www.muskogeephoenix.com/archi...

*The site is blocked in the EU, but can be accessed through Google cache:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.co...
https://webcache.googleusercontent.co...
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Seth Kozak

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Thanks Peter. I'll try that. One is there and one isn't - but half way. Thanks!
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Hi Seth,

It is dependent on the event in question and how it is structured. If these are given a separate award title for example, Bronze Award/Silver Award etc. by the awarding body in the official documentation then these are treated as an independent award win and can be submitted as one. However, in most cases, a second or 3rd place award nomination is not treated as a win on an IMDb event page, if it is for the same award. Please note that any Silver or Bronze Awards have to be ratified by the official documentation from the awarding body otherwise they will be rejected.

I hope this helps explain the policy.

Regards,
Will
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Seth Kozak

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Thanks for your response Will. This event has always used 1st Place, 2nd Place, and 3rd Place Bonehead Award as its naming convention for award winners. I have the hardware from each of my wins at this festival. 
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Hi Seth,

Unfortunately that would constitute an award under the same banner, therefore the award nominations are correctly listed as 2nd and 3rd places.

Thank you for understanding.

Regards,
Will
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Seth Kozak

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W: "Unfortunately that would constitute an award under the same banner..."

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I feel it's necessary to provide a thorough response to your sustained "nomination" assertion. 

The Bare Bones Film Festival has been an IMDb-approved film festival for about 2 decades. The fest determines who wins which awards at its fest and publishes the results of its winners, honorable mentions, finalists, semi-finalists, quarter finalists, and official selections as necessary (naturally in reverse order) on its site.

I can't imagine why IMDb intends to arbitrate what any festival decides to "name" its awards. Some decide to "name" a 2nd Place Festival Award, a "2nd Place Festival Award." Some decide to "name" a 2nd Place Festival Award a "Silver Festival Award," or some variant. One award doesn't become a "nomination for a first place award" any more or less than the other because of "how the award is named." It is its own unique award. Besides, Gold, Silver, and Bronze are effectively 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in every case, unless naming conventions apply Platinum, Diamond, or other variant in front of Gold -- which some IMDb-qualified fests do! :)

I'm just trying to get my "3rd Place Bare Bones Award," from 2014, and "2nd Place Bare Bones Award," from 2015 listed as wins once again - as once verified by IMDb staff on the Bare Bones' "Winners" page from those years (no longer displayed - PDF removed). :)

Here are the awards:





In 2015, the fest also started awarding award certificates to its winners, along with the medals.



There are many IMDb-qualifying fests that only use certificates for its winners/awards. One representation of the award is substantial enough to not be considered a nominee any longer. :)

I've competed in over 100 film fests (only IMDb-qualifying) and IMDb's hang up over naming conventions of the "2nd Place Award," vs. the "Silver Award" is mind boggling. Many fests just want to call awards the "3rd Place Award." The winners don't control that and IMDb staffers don't control that. Why is it anyone's issue? :) 

What's laughable is Honorable Mentions place lower than 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or Gold, Silver, Bronze, etc. yet IMDb sees those "not quite award winners" as award winners, yet a 3rd Place Award winner is just a nominee in IMDb's eyes if the fest doesn't use "Bronze" or some other non-numerical adjective in its naming convention. :)


Why is this a big deal? When filmmakers put in all the work (you can imagine), then get accepted into a fest with hundreds or thousands of competitors, wait 3-9 months for judging to begin, make the Quarter Finals cut; make the Semi-Finals cut, make the Finals cut, then get called on stage as the winner of one of three awards in the category (1st, 2nd, or 3rd), it is not pleasant to then have to make "the IMDb staff cut," in order that your IMDb page (a respected authoritative source) not permanently refuse your win. :)

In my fairly robust film festival experience, I don't know of a single fest that has ever bothered ranking its nominees, and some have up to 150. Please share at your next IMDb staff meeting. Thanks!  :) 
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Just to add my five cents: I don't understand 2nd and 3rd places downgraded to nomination status on IMDb, as well. 

I think that in some cases, physical award being given can be easily placed as a separate award. For example, Irpen Film Festival has an Honorary Diploma, which is presented to attended nominees more often then not, but is quite separate as an award from nomination. 2nd places could have been something like that rather then nomination, but that's just my humble opinion and I don't know the full logic behind the decision. 
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Hi Seth (and Nikolay) -

As Will mentioned above, 2nd and 3rd place awards are categorized in our system as Nominations, as only a 1st place can be categorized as a Winner.

I appreciate your comments and have forwarded them to our editors for visibility and consideration when making updates to our awards categorization in the future.
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Hello Michelle,

Thank you for your input. I understand awards need to be submitted as first place wins to be counted as wins under the new submission process (as of a few years ago), Could you kindly submit these awards (as evidenced by the photos above) to resolve this tricky issue for me? This is tricky since the Bare Bones FF does not keep a permanent record of wins posted on its site, as is common with most fests. IMDb verified the wins for the original submissions in '14 and '15 with the temporary postings for the respective years. 

2014
(1st place) Name of Award: "3rd Place Bare Bones Award"
Best Short Screenplay
for "Rendezvous"
 
2015
(1st place) Name of Award: "2nd Place Bare Bones Award"
Best Short Screenplay
for "The Debrief" 

I greatly appreciate your help and expertise!