Trying to find out how to have an actor, who is misrepresenting herself in a part I played.

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There is an actor misrepresenting themselves saying they played the part I played on a TV show. How can I get this fixed. Ms. Kirstin Zotovich has stated on her page that she played the waitress on The Drew Carey Show Episode Knot in the Mood Season 9 Episode 24 however I played that part. And the waitress character had the name of Julia not waitress. I have proof and the residual checks to back it up... Not to mention I worked on that show for three years as the waitress and don't remember her on it. Since I was the only waitress with lines on that episode I would prefer her credit be removed. How can we take care of this?
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Do you have access to this episode (The Drew Carey Show, Ep. 24 "Knot in the Mood", S9)? I mean can you provide some screencaps of this particular role (showing the "correct" actress etc)?

Point is that IMDb probably wants some "proof" if they're going to delete some credit. They prefer to correct/edit, but not delete.
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Yes I can. I can also provide residual check stubs that I still receive. Even if you go to the link below and watch the first 5 mins you'll see me there. I believe she may have been a stand in and an extra here or there based a conversation I just had with someone else who used to work with me there but not sure if she ever had lines on the show ... that you'd have look into. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4w9...
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Well, I can't personally find the name for actress Kirstin Zotovich from the credits, but who is this "waitress" in the screenshot (roughly in the timecode 5:25 and has a few lines of dialogue + is also "singing" with the bartender)? Is it you? Based on her twitter pics, she looks a bit like Ms. Zotovich, though (well, a bit, at least).

In IMDB, Zotovich is credited in 25 episodes of the series as "Waitress" in 2004. This would imply it's a recurring role (a bit like this waitress who appears in a few scenes in every episode?).

( Note, that I haven't really watched this show. )

EDIT: Ok, now I saw your IMDB page and it seems to be you in this screenshot:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0561678/
You seem to be credited in the series (in 2004, at least) under the name "Miette Maxwell" (that is important in IMDB, since it needs the attribute ("as Miette Maxwell"). And the character is "Julia".
(Is this "also" you, btw? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2890189/ )

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That waitress is me!! Yes it looks a bit like This Kirstin woman but it is not. It is me and the waitress character name is Julia. As I have said Ms. Zotovich is mis representing herself as me. And I have the paycheck stubs to prove it. I can also have one of the producers from the show who I still know also verify it. If you go to Cristina maxwell on IMDB you will see it looks like me to... because it is in fact me. Also as of last night this Ms. Zotovich's IMDB had it on as a credit. It is wrong.
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Yes Miette Maxwell was the acting name I used as an actor but because my SAG name was set up as Cristina Maxwell (giving name) and my pay was usually made out to Cristina so I tried to keep everything under Cristina in my IMDB. As for the credit Loves Unfolding Dream..under the Miette name. I remember the name of the production however I may not have been more than a stand in on that film... I don't remember. I don't believe I had lines.... is that a prerequisite for adding it as a credit on IMDB as an actor... that you had to have been paid for lines on the production...?? Also the 24 episode Ms. Zotovich had on Drew Carey also might be false.... like I said I was the waitress on that show for about 3 yrs (it was pretty much a extra gig until the last season when they gave me a few lines) don't remember her stepping in to play that extra roll.
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After watching these (named below) 6 episodes for review today I can tell you that I and Cynthia Watros are the only waitress in them. I will review the rest over the course of the next few days.... as I had said Ms. Zotovich has mis represented herself as the waitress for these shows.

Still Life with Freeloader, Love, Sri Lankan Style, and Knot in the Mood.... Cynthia is the waitresss and lead active in three of these and I am the background performer as the waitress in the first two and then have lines as the waitress, Julia, in the third. The episodes Passions of the Wick, Finale, and Sealed in a Kiss there are no scenes with a waitress at all.
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It is me and the waitress character name is Julia. 
Yes, since you've a link(s) to the episodes of the show with credits (where your name and the character name is credited), screencap and this thread, you probably can add your name to the episodes**. 

In how many episodes did you appeared as "Julie"? Were you always credited (your name appears on the end credits)? I mean you said that you basically got some lines in the last season of the series, so maybe you weren't credited in the previous seasons?
As I have said Ms. Zotovich is mis representing herself as me
This is a bit problematic, since she's not credited as "Julia" (sure, she is credited as "Waitress" which is pretty close to the character of Julia, but still) and we can't be fully sure that someone is trying to "steal" your credits. Usually these are just mistakes and oversights. Are you fully sure that there can't be "another" waitress on the show (some extra on the background etc)? Or in some other episodes?

Getting your name and the character "Julie" to the IMDB shouldn't be all that difficult (it's always up to the IMDB data editors, though), but deleting 25 credits from another actress could be.
As for the credit Loves Unfolding Dream..under the Miette name. I remember the name of the production however I may not have been more than a stand in on that film... I don't remember. I don't believe I had lines.... is that a prerequisite for adding it as a credit on IMDB as an actor... that you had to have been paid for lines on the production...?? 
In "Love's Unfolding Dream", you're not credited as an actor. Your credit is "set production assistant" which would mean that you were part of the crew (not cast). IMDB (mainly) follows the on-screen credits, so how the cast/crew is credited in the credits is what matters the most.

In any case, this credit (and the name "Miette Maxwell") should be merged with your primary name "Cristina maxwell". For more info about merging credits: http://www.imdb.com/help/search?domain=helpdesk_faq&index=1&file=namemerge&hlp_sr_6_sm


**For general info how to add yourself: http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?resumeaddnewname

(You should add your name as "Maxwell, Cristina", but with the attribute "(as Miette Maxwell)")

**More info of multiple episode submissionshttps://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/how-do-i-fix-my-credit-for-acting-on-a-soap-i-was-a-characte...

If you are missing episode credits, you will need to submit your credits for the missing episodes through our online Update form. Credits on episodic TV shows must be submitted as additions to all individual episodes of the show, multiple episode submissions for the same credit are easier if you go to the main page of the show and click on the 'Edit Page' button. After selecting 'Add 1 Item' next to the correct type of credit, you will be presented with a screen where you can enter the name of the person and an 'Episodes' field. Clicking on the 'arrow' icon next to the 'Episodes' field will display a list of all known episodes for that show: you can select all applicable ones and submit the same credit for all of them at the same time.

( NOTE that I'm not part of the official IMDB team/moderators. )
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Thanks Ebony... and sorry if this seems drawn out. Ok. So in the episode Knot in the Mood.... I am accredited as being Julie who was the waitress at the beginning of the show. Since there is no other waitress (other than possibly the lead female actor, Cynthia, who plays a waitress in the show from time to time too) I also played the waitress on the show for 3 seasons... unaccredited because it was a background performers position. I didn't have any lines then.... which is why this bothers me. I didn't not put those episodes up because they were unaccredited however Kirstin claims to have been accredited as the waitress and she was not.... not accredited and unless she was the waitress while I wasn't there durning season 7 or early season 8 (can't remember when I took off from it) but all the ones she has put up as accredited are incorrect. I can send you all the links of all the episodes she has put up and you may watch them yourself. She is not the waitress nor is she accredited at the beginning or ends of the episodes she had named. As for sharing the link to incorporate my two names... thank you. I really appreciate it and I will look into it. Also thank you for reminding me about Loves Unfolding Dream... yes I remember it now. Someone else must have added me to it because I usually didn't care about connecting my production work to IMDB... it does show up from time to time but because someone has done it. Now if it's ok for Ms. Zotovich to put up back ground work as accredited work can I then put up my 3 seasons of background work as the waitress on the show too on top of my actual acrediation for Knot in the Mood as Julia, the waitress...? And will they let me since someone else, i.e. Ms. zotovich, has already done so?
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I have now submitted a name merge from your behalf. It can take some days (and it's weekend now) though, so be patient.

I could also submit your CREDITED credits (as "Julia"), but I would need to know every episode from the show where you were CREDITED as "Julia" (it's best to add them all at once). This means ONLY those episodes where your name and the character name appears in the end credits. Could you provide the list of those episodes? Just take your time.

IMO, we could tackle the other issues after those are added.
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Thanks Ebony. I also submitted both for merger last night. So am I to understand that I can not submit those episodes for which I am the waitress but not accredited on the running credits of the episode? Yes or no.
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 So am I to understand that I can not submit those episodes for which I am the waitress but not accredited on the running credits of the episode? 
IMDb goes by the opening and closing credits for credited roles.

1) If you're CREDITED in the end credits (as "Julia"), you should follow this guide when submitting your credits:

http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?resumeaddnewname

One tip: When you "Edit page", use "Other Corrections => Miscellaneous Comments" to provide various sources/links/screencaps (episodes of the show where you are credited and e.g. link to this thread) for the IMDB data editors.

Btw: You're now (already) credited in three episodes. Two as "Waitress" and one as "Julia". Were you credited (end credits) in those episodes where you're listed as "Waitress" or are they actually "uncredited" roles?

2) If you're NOT credited (you appear in the episode, but your name doesn't appear in the end credits - this is usually the case with "extras"):
You can follow the guide above, but now you should also add the attiribute "(uncredited)". Also, it's possible that these credits are rejected if you don't provide enough proof. E.g. screencaps from the scene/s where you're visible are probably the most common "proof" for the uncredited roles, since pay stubs and call sheets doesn't always tell the whole story (actor might have been on the set, but doesn't appear in the "final cut" when the episode is edited/aired). 

More info:
https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/guide/cast#uncredited
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Ebony again thank you. so according to what you are saying... I can put my credited work up as it appears right now on my IMDb only if I was accredited in the credits that run before and after the episode. And for the ones I was only a reoccurring extra as the waitress they have to be mark unaccredited and put in a bit differently?
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And those waitress roles are unaccredited at the beginning and ending of each of the individual episodes... Julia, the waitress, became credited in Knot in the Mood....however since my waitress role was given a name and credited does that establish that that does make the character credited for all the episodes I was seen in or just the one?
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You submit both (credited/uncredited) in a similar way (and you need to provide proof/sources for both), but you need to add "(uncredited)" attribute to those episodes where you're not actually credited.

With credited roles, you have to add your character name as it's listed in the credits (in your case "Julia" - NOT e.g. "Julia the waitress" or "Waitress/Julia").
More info:
https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/g...

More info about the uncredited roles:
http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?un...
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Ok then what happens to those who add themselves as credit talent when they in fact are not credited... let alone not even in the episode?
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Or are they just aloud to credit themselves to other people's roles or positions when they feel like it?
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Ok then what happens to those who add themselves as credit talent when they in fact are not credited... let alone not even in the episode?
I have no insight about Kirstin Zotovich's credits in "The Drew Carey Show" (when were they added, what were the sources (if any), who submitted those credits, who approved them and based on what sources, etc).

If you can prove that those credits are indeed wrong, you can submit the request of deleting them by following these guidelines:
http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?resumedelete#howtodelete

If you can watch the episodes where Kirstin Zotovich is credited (as "Waitress"), you can probably fully confirm that:
a) Is she visible on the screen (maybe in the background as an "extra" etc)? Was there "another" waitress in the show at some point?
b) Is she credited in the end credits?
If the answer to both is "no", you've your proof. I mean the rules are fairly straightforward:
For cast/acting appearances, you must be identifiable and featured on-screen in the final released cut of the title. In other words, it's not enough to have worked on a production: your scenes must be included in the final cut and it must be possible to easily identify your appearance (i.e. background work as a crowd member or a similar role where it is impossible to recognize the subject are not eligible). If you ended up on the cutting room floor, you are not eligible to be listed. 
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Thank you Ebony again for take the time for this. One last question I believe. This rule also means per individual episodes? That a person can't claim to be in episodes they are not in even if they may have appeared in other episodes of a show?
And I have watched 13 of the 25 episodes and have identified in 8 of them I and the lead actress, Cynthia Watros, are the only waitress on the episodes. 2 out of the 13 of them have the other bar/ waitress situations in them however there is only one of them that Ms. zotovich might have been in... and the others are either only Ms. Watros or there are not scenes with waitresses in them.
I will watch the rest and follow your instructions with the proof.
Again thank you.
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This rule also means per individual episodes? That a person can't claim to be in episodes they are not in even if they may have appeared in other episodes of a show? 
I'm not sure that I fully understand the question. IMDb's approach to TV series is that people should (eventually - not all TV series in IMDB has "episode guides" yet) add the episodes. Then cast&crew should be added to the individual episodes (at least eventually).

Ms.  Zotovich has a Twitter, it seems, so perhaps you could ask her about his issue via private message? I'm not a Twitter user myself, so I don't know how "private" messages work, but maybe this could help: https://support.twitter.com/articles/14606
Anyway, this is just a suggestion.
(Edit: Ah, it seems that you have to "follow" the person first to be able to send the private message..)
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I have contacted her via FB. Thank you. But are you to say that IMDB will not do anything about her claims to these episodes? That she is not required to prove that she was in them if she so choses to leave them up? 
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And are you saying that IMDB will do nothing about my claim that they are false?
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Hi Cristina,

If you have watched the episodes and you are sure that she is not featured then please submit an update to remove the credits by using the edit page feature.
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I have watched them all and every one except three episodes (in which only one of those episodes might have her in it) the waitress is either me or the lead of the show... or there isn't a waitress at all and I will submit an update to have her credits removed however it is very strange that I have to be the one to essentially delete them. It seems like something IMDB staff should do. I just happen to be the person she was claiming to be. It's a good thing I ran across this and had the time to review these episodes...if I hadn't she'd get away with it. I used to believe IMDB and the information they had on the site had integrity but it's apparent it doesn't. And that anyone can claim to be someone they aren't. Thanks for your help but it's unfortunate that moving forward I have to doubt the information I find on your site... guess others should too.
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Hi Cristina,

We do care about the accuracy of data on IMDb but unfortunately given the number of credits that get submitted to the site occasionally things do fall through the net. Given your comments I'm happy to remove the credits from her name page. It can be difficult for us to establish these cases with roles such as "waitress" without seeing the episodes ourselves but thank you for researching this case and bringing the inaccuracy to our attention.

Regards,
Will
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Thank you Will. It is nice to know that correctness of information is important. And It's important that the site have integrity... I also understand the weight of all the information you must be dealing with.