Trying to move a credit that's in the wrong section to the correct section

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Hi Col. Along these lines, if I'm trying to move a credit that's in the wrong section to the correct section, I add the new credit and delete the incorrect one, with appropriate notes on what I did and why. Problem arises very often that an existing series crew credit in the wrong section has been grandfathered in with a date attribute with no episodes. Most of the time I will not be allowed to create a new record, as it's now forbidden to add one to a series without adding an episode and the software just won't allow it. One choice would be to just leave the credit in the incorrect section. If you wanted to cheat (which I haven't), I suppose you could assign the first episode to that person to allow the new credit but that wouldn't be kosher. The other alternative I guess would be to delete the credit altogether but that would be losing someone's data, so that's not good either. Is there some way to move this kind of a damaged credit? Thanks.

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Hi Nick,

Have you got an example and I can take a look?

Thanks,
Will
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What I do: Go here: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1316182/ to Katie Wassenaar's page. Notice in her Editorial department 3 titles (Major League Gaming, Combat Missions, and Comics Only) need to go to the Project Managers section. All 3 are generic credits with no individual episodes. Click on EDIT PAGE button. On drop-down menu, enter "Correct/Delete" for Editorial Dept credit and Add 1 credit for Production Manager credits and hit CONTINUE. Let's try "Combat Missions" with the existing attribute of "(2002)". Copy the title from the Editorial section and enter it, along with the occupation and the attribute in the new record in Prod. Mgr. credits. Click "Delete" in the drop-down menu for the credit in the Editorial section and hit CHECK THESE UPDATES. Put the explanation "Moved to Product Manager section" in the pink box in the Editorial section. Then notice the warning in the pink section in the Production Manager section.
So what I see is that since there are existing episodes for this series no more credits are accepted at the series lever, NOT EVEN SIMPLE TRANSFERS SO THAT THEY CAN GO TO THE CORRECT SECTION. Then it gives you a "Warning understood" optional checkbox. Click it and hit RECHECK THESE UPDATES. The delete box above is now green but the new record in the Production Mgr section is still pink, now with an additional "Warning understood" checkbox. Click it and hit RECHECK THESE UPDATES again. It remains pink and that seems about as far as you can go, which leads back to my original question. If you remove the year attribute, it tells you to add a year range but that just starts the cycle all over again.




Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

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The system requires that the text area form field for "Episode(s)" contain at least one episode identifier. To populate the field with the properly-formatted episode identifier, click the arrow icon directly right of the field and select from a drop-down menu which episodes that apply or all episodes if that would be accurate.
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Thanks for the input, Jeorj, but that's not really the issue. I know that it would work if at least one episode were entered here, but that's just it - these episode-less generic credits were entered either before there was such a requirement or when the series was in pre-production stage. If no one knows which, if any, of the series' episodes goes to this person, how can you accurately add one? Like I said above, you could just add one at random and it would work, but it might not be one that the person was credited in. Looks to me like the choice is between:
1) Leave the credit in the wrong credit section
2) Delete the credit and lose the generic information
3) Add what may be an incorrect episode to the person's page to be able to get the credit into the right section.
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Seems like we do not even know that this person is indeed credited at all, so it might as well be deleted, until proper evidence becomes available. What does year in parentheses means? It could refer to every episode released in 2002 or just some of them. We could go either way. (There is a fourth way, by the way, but it would require deleting all of the episodes attached to the series, and then trying to sort out how to reinstate them.) However, maybe Will would be willing to circumvent the restriction posed by the submission interface as it is experienced by contributors.
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In this case, the person is a respected post supervisor who's been in the business for decades and I'm sure the credits are hers. It's likely that whoever enters these generic credits, not just hers but thousands of others just like it, did it when they didn't know which episodes they did, or they weren't in the db and they didn't have that info but wanted the general credit entered. I don't think that's possible to do now, given the example above, and that's a good thing, but apparently you used to be able to, and now we have this situation. I think you have to think long and hard and should have an IMDb person's input on whether you wanted to start deleting this type of credit. I doubt whether IMDb would approve the deletion anyway. Your fourth solution, with respect, seems like overkill since it would delete episodes that have many legitimate individual episode credits. Besides, you still wouldn't know which episodes belonged to the person in question unless you actually had the credits of each episode in front of you to watch. I would suggest the easiest suggestion might be to have a checkbox in these situations that says something like "This is merely a transfer of this credit into this section from an incorrect section" or somesuch thing. The approver would look at that, and if that were indeed the case, they would approve it and Bob's your uncle.
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There is no evidence that the credits are valid, but of course that is case with most of the information found in the database. It does not matter how respected of a post supervisor this person is. We would not know for sure what is true without evidence. The information the way that it was added in the first place is technically ambiguous, which is not preferred.

The fourth solution is about temporary deletion. It does not matter if what is being deleted is legitimate, because it would be necessarily restored. I only mentioned it for the sake that it technically would work. Still problematic, because of the amount of work to be done. We used to be able to move episodes out of series or change them to non-episodes altogether, which alleviated any need to "temporarily delete" anything.

As to the problem overall, in other words, there is no viable solution that does not require the intervention of Will or his colleagues. I doubt they will loosen the way the submission interface behaves, though. I bet they prefer to address matters like this, for the time being, on a case-by-case basis.
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Thanks, Jeorj, for your take on this. I thought that fourth solution would be, as you say, problematic for the same reasons and more, so I agree with your last paragraph. I've pretty much opted to just ignore, and not move those particular credits, even though they're wrong.
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Hi Nick -

In this instance, I have manually moved the credits you referenced to the correct section under "Production Managers" for Ms. Wassenaar. 

In the meantime, if you are aware of the specific episodes Ms. Wassenaar is credited for on these series titles, please submit those episode credits for our editors to review..
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Thanks for moving those. Unfortunately, I’m not aware of specific episodes for those series. Given how old some of these series are, there’s not much chance anyone’s going to bother to seek them out and enter data, so people’s credited tv shows without episodes which are in the wrong section will likely stay there because there’s no easy way to switch them. Maybe some day the software will be changed to allow it. Cheers.