Uncredited Cast Addition for Young Guns (1988); Tom Cruise

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Multiple individuals have attempted to add Tom Cruise as an uncredited cast member of the movie "Young Guns (1988)" over the past several years, but without the necessary evidence for verification.  I just went through this process, twice, with the 2nd attempt containing an grand plethora of evidence.  However, my addition was still declined.  Why?  I got Randy Travis approved as an uncredited cast member based on far less.  The evidence I provided for Tom Cruise's addition to this film was overwhelming, including direct quotes from the screenwriter, two separate interviews by co-star Kiefer Sutherland, an active report by "People" magazine on July 18th, 1988 during the film's production, direct verbal confirmation in the DVD audio commentary by no less than 3 additional cast members of the film, as well as a multitude of other references.  Has Tom Cruise requested he not be added to the credits for this film?  What additional evidence could possibly be required?  Please explain.

Here is the addition request and evidence list provided on the 2nd attempt:

"at 1:39:14, Tom Cruise can be seen being shot by Casey Siemazko's
character (Charlie Bowdre) as he exits Terry O'Quinn' character (Alex
McSween's) house. This is an uncredited role, and has been documented
extensively over the years, including in the trivia section for this film, as well as in the audio commentary by Lou Diamond Phillips, Dermot Mulroney and Casey Siemaszko. Please note the following short list of sources and cast/crew interviews that validate this addition:"

Screenwriter John Fusco quote on Entertainment Weekly (August 6th, 2010): https://ew.com/article/2010/08/06/billy-the-kid-pardon-young-guns-ii-trivia/

Actor Kiefer Sutherland quote (April 20th, 2016): http://11thhouronline.com/2016/04/20/keifer-sutherland-on-country-music-young-guns-and-playing-jack-...

Actor Kiefer Sutherland quote (June 9th, 2016): https://www.spin.com/2016/06/kiefer-sutherland-cant-stay-away-premiere-interview-down-in-a-hole/

People Magazine (reported July 18th, 1988 during principle filming): https://people.com/archive/take-one-vol-30-no-3/

Clip of Tom Cruise in the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fffcZddyrU

Photo of Tom Cruise in the film: https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/9e3jpf/tom_cruise_has_a_cameo_in_young_guns_as_some/

80's Movie Guide: https://80smovieguide.com/young-guns/

IMFDB (The Internet Movie Firearms Database): http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Young_Guns

Factinate: https://www.factinate.com/things/45-high-speed-facts-tom-cruise-movies/

Shortlist: https://www.shortlist.com/news/20-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-mission-impossible

Film Reference: http://www.filmreference.com/film/26/Tom-Cruise.html

Film Gator: https://filmgator.com/actor/tom-cruise

Moveable Fest: http://moveablefest.com/movie-cameos/

Hollywood Star News: http://hollywoodstarnews1000.blogspot.com/2014/05/tom-cruise-and-jon-bon-jovi-young-guns.html

Movie Locations.com: https://www.movie-locations.com/movies/y/Young-Guns.php

TV Tropes: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/YoungGuns

9Gag: https://9gag.com/gag/a2onPW1/tom-cruise-has-a-cameo-in-young-guns-as-some-random-cowboy-who-gets-sho...

Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Guns_(film)
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I didn’t read all your links right now, but this could be one of those cases where the actor is not recognizable ”enough” in costume, and therefore not eligible (since being on the set or even in the scene is not always enough). There have been other similar threads in the past (Sylvester Stallone says hi).
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Eboy, I'd say that this amount of confirmation will make it eligible anyhow. As far as I remember previous attempts never included that amount of high-profile quotes from high-profile sources. Screenwriter, prominent co-star, not one but two usually very reliable and respectable press outlets confirming the cameo at different points at time should be considered.

I hope that IMDb staff will include cameo this time, based on that amount of evidence. 
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Yes, the evidence about him visiting on the set and being (along with Jon Bon Jovi, based on Sutherland) on the scene. But recognizable in the final cut of the film? I guess it comes to that.

I would say that either way, they (filmmakers & Cruise) didn’t really want him to be recognizable, at least not enough. Inside joke and a story to tell for the years to come, that was probably the main idea.
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If this is the best available image
(from the 2nd to last link, 9gag, exactly the same on the reddit link;
even watching the youTube clip wasn't convincing.)
then I don't blame IMDb from declining.
Couldn't all those sources (cast/crew interviews) actually be part of a mass joke? Maybe people's memories have believed stories that have been retold? After all, it's now 31(!) years later.

I'm surprised the Trivia item is stated so definitely:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096487/trivia?item=tr4255407
Tom Cruise: the fourth person shot when Charlie bursts out the house shooting. Cruise was on set one day, and the director thought it would be great to get him on the movie. He dressed Cruise as a soldier and filmed the climactic battle.
I suspect this cast addition has been attempted before.

Is there such a thing as listing a Cast item as "(uncredited) (rumored)" after a film is released?
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I honeslty don't get the point about mass joke. So, maybe, very much confirmed cameos of Hitchcock were also a mass joke and we should not list the cases where he was not clearly seen (despite numerous interviews confirming them, even from Hitchcock himself)?.. Why with confirmation from a screenwriter, an A-list actor who starred in the movie and two rather reliable media outlets and no mention of joke even at fan theory level that is even a logical assesment?..  It's one case when there are no sources or rather scarce ones which need additional research (was working on a case like that recently, will make a thread soon because it was partially declined on one name, despite another name was added with the same amount of confirmation), but here we have four sources which usually will suffice. 

There was (and probably still is) an attribute "(unconfirmed)". I believe it exists in the system but is no longer valid or only valid for hard cases such as 1920's movies which have plenty of contradictory credits dug up by researchers with all of them having equal chances of being correct. 
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In the age of the internet, finding independent sources to confirm a story has become more difficult, exponentially so as time passes. Is the second/third, etc. source truly independent, or is something reliant on a previous source, however circuitously?
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Agreed. The Parrot Paradox.
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Here’s the older thread with the official reply from Michelle. I don’t say that IMDb can’t change their minds, though.

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...