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Today (Dec 6) we are announcing an update to the List pages on the IMDb desktop experience. This update is part of the broader site changes announced recently (https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/upcoming-changes-to-several-imdb-features-du6man1opd5q0). After in-depth discussion and examination, we have decided to simplify the features and functionality for lists. We have merged “compact view” and list editing into a single Edit experience. In that one view, you can now modify your text and add, copy, delete and move items. We have also pulled List actions (edit, export, settings) together into a 1-click menu (the 3 vertical dots on the top right of the page). You will now also find two new options in the Refine menu: ‘In Theaters’ and ‘Keywords.’  Tech constraints on the new system prohibit us from continuing to support drag-and-drop from the Edit view; we appreciate your understanding. For more information about Lists, see the IMDb Help Center.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Editing Lists Problem.

Up until recently I loved that I was able to change the order of films in a list to customize to how I wanted it. I did this by dragging the the movie to a new spot in the order. I'm not sure why but this function was removed, now I have to type in the spot on the list where I want it to be. It was a lot easier before. Can anything be done to fix this?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled IMDb lists.

I used to have fun casually making silly lists for myself, as well as watchlists, schedules and Best of Year lists for my work as a buff and critic.Fist off, the format gobbles up memory like an SOB. This is bad for me, because I make long lists and have RAM issues. The pages take so long to load, render and process activity, and sometimes crash. I have to be careful when I scroll, because doing that often freezes my computer solid for 2-4 minutes, then slows it to a crawl afterwards.I blame the above issue on there now being title buttons and rating abilities in the editing phase. Why? This essentially ensures that the list items are embedded upon their addition, and that managing them from there is hell.That blasted checkbox!!! Like an incompetent dictator, it rules list arrangement with its idiocy, joining with "Change" buttons to refresh already slow-acting pages to shift things. Changing an item's position requires selecting that box, typing the item's new rank, and selecting "Save List Order". You no longer drag the item up or down, and change only one's position at a time. It's some of the most amateur and perfunctory arrangement formatting I've ever worked with.I'm too worn out and angry to even try going into what I think about typing notes under my items. Jst rest assured that everything about the list-making process is much, much, much worse. It feels like a nightmare, quite frankly. For years, making lists has been my main connection to IMDB, and now O'm fixing to take my business to Letterboxd. IMDB, return the old format, improve the new, or quietly go to hell. If not, I at least got to vent as publicly as I wanted to.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: New List Editing Format.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled IMDb lists.

I just started using Lists, then immediately the drag and drop feature was removed.  As a programmer myself, I could opt for the lazy route and just remove features, or could add a second editing page with different tools instead of trying to do it all on one page.  It is really disappointing to have things taken away for no good reason.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Ongoing changes to several IMDb features.
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Please restore SORT options in EDIT mode!!  Particularly for WATCHLIST!

It appears that the only SORT options in EDIT mode are "Date Added" and "List Order".  These are NOT SUFFICIENT to manage my WATCHLIST.  Particularly "Your Rating" and "Release Date" and "Popularity" and "IMDb Rating" --all of which I use to manage my WATCHLIST.

I am one of the multi-decade users of IMDB.com, so I have years of ratings and lists.  But without being able to SORT my WATCHLIST in EDIT mode, I might as well use the "Want to See" button on rotten tomatoes.

Thank you!!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can I export (to Excel) a list I created other than my watchlist?.
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Yes. While on the list's page, find the 3-vertical dot menu button to the right of your list title. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can't find Name only list.

Previously there was option to see my list with name only,without cover of the movie.Now i cant find it.It happened two weeks before.Any help will be appreciated.
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IMDB took down compact mode for no apparent reason. My guess is to make people click on the Amazon instant video of course they could just include a small hyperlink in compact mode. Lots of people have issues with this but IMDB doesn't seem to be acknowledging anyone's complaint about this.

There is a semi-solution mentioned earlier in this thread but it's a pain and you kinda have to be versed a little in computer science lol So disappointing they took away this feature. I tried to update my lists and view others but it's no fun anymore.

I'm probably going to cancel my Amazon Prime membership due to the fact they made this so much worse just to cater to making Amazon more money. And they didn't have to take away features to do this.
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That semi-solution may require minuscule familiarity with computer science to understand, but it doesn't require such to install and use.

Please bear in mind that computer science is oriented around not only algorithms but complementary paradigms such as queues, stacks, structures, templates, sets, matrices, search trees, recursion, logic, events, hooks, interrupts, pipelines, execution contexts, threads, registers, cache and RAM, among other things (beyond what would be learned at the undergraduate level). Understanding of much of those is not necessary to understand the semi-solution in question.
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Thanks for letting me know.Can you give the semi-solution link.
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George, please see reply no. 19,173,055 here and the replies to it.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled When are they going to put the sort alpebetically feature back so I can properly ....
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can't view lists at a glance any more.

Whenever I look at my lists, I always use the compact view so as to be able to see everything at once. The other views are clunky and really not good for looking at the details of all the entries. But now the only views I can click on are grid view and these massive blocks in detail view. Neither of this offer a convenient way to actually see the information of everything in the list.
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Since the lists' recent update I am not able to create a shortcut to a particular title, as I used to do before with "?start=" path. Is there any alternative to that or is the old way planned to be restored any time soon?
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@Matthias
Since you haven't received a reply in 12 hours, perhaps my reaction is not uncommon: I have no idea what you're asking.
Where would this shortcut be?
Where did you type "?start="; and by path do you mean URL?
Are you trying to create a link in a list/title description?
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@bderoes
Thank you for reacting to my question. :)

That is exactly what I mean, I used to put an URL in the list description to navigate - just like many list-makers do by adding page numbers to jump to a particular section of the list (for example: imdb.com/list/lsxxxxxxx/?page=3). I used a similar method to create a shortcut to a particular position in the list by adding "/?start=position number" extension to the list's URL. In the effect the list would start with an indicated position (I used that to mark the first movie I watched on a particular year, to be able to get to it  in one click. For example: adding ?start=10 to the URL created a shortcut to the 10th movie in the list). 

The thing is that since the recent updates, the URL extension ceased to work that way and adding "?start=" does nothing (just refreshes the list and gets me back to the first position again).

Hence my question: is there any option to create a shortcut to a particular movie in the list, just as it can be done with pages?

I hope this clarifies the matter. :)
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@Matthias,

There appears to be no way to directly link to a specific item in an IMDb title or name list. Image lists allow for direct indexing.

It appears that the "/?start={position_number}" extension no longer works. IMDb now limits us to "/?page={page_number}".
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@Dan Dassow,

Thank you very much for your answer. That is what I needed to know.

It's a shame, however, that the lists can no longer be managed this way. Leaving this option as it was would make them (especially the long ones) more comfortable to use, at least for me.
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@Matthias
I would like to point out that @Dan Dassow, is not IMDb staff. He's a very helpful and experienced fellow user of IMDb, and has told us before that he has no extra insights about whether something is a bug or a feature.

I would encourage you to post a separate thread about this (seemingly former) feature, reporting it as a bug, and see if you get an official response.
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@bderoes,

I will consider that, thank you for your help.
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@Matthias,

Using "/?start={position_number}" extension to index to a specific item in an IMDb list was an undocumented feature that required editing a link (also known as a link hack). From what I can tell, the IMDb technical staff has been trying to move away from link hacks being useful.

Also, as bderoes states above, I am a long time user of IMDb and not an IMDb staff member.
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Hi, bderoes. Sometimes "customers" do have extra insights, though: such as whenever staff members let some of them in on the a little bit of extra information. We never know who gets picked, unless that person tells us. The consultation is kind of done on a "to whom it shall concern" basis.

On side note, I do believe there are some retired IMDb developers present on this forum, but I'm not sure. There is one converser in particular, without an "Official Rep", "Staff Member", "Employee" or "Champion" decal, who knows a lot about information technology including in regards to IMDb.

On another side note, Dan Dassow has been an active participant for a long time, possibly for longer than when his IMDb user account was created. (I'm on the flip side, as while I did create my IMDb user account a long time ago, I only started contributing heavily in the past few years; and to reveal another little-known fact, I've never created an IMDb list or submitted an IMDb user review before, so when I "like" (upvote) your GS posts, I don't necessarily have a hands-on experience with the subject matter. I've only ever read lists, exported lists, used the RSS feed feature and read user reviews.)
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Thanks Jeorj.

I pointed out Dan's non-official status because when I read his reply to Matthias, and especially Matthias' reply to him, I felt that Matthias was interpreting it as an official response. So I didn't want him to read more into the response than was warranted.

I can see the value in the feature Matthias described, and would hate for him to give up on it too quickly. Even if he'd gotten an official person saying what Dan did, I'd encourage Matthias to post it as a thread (but then as an Idea, since the "problem" had already been addressed.)

I meant no disrespect to Dan, and he "Like"d the post where I pointed out his status, so I don't think he interpreted any disrespect from me. 

Jeorj, thanks again for "Like"ing so many of my posts. As I've said before: if only so I receive a copy of them myself. (On the flip side, I'm glad you're the only one who's so generous, or the inbox would be much too cluttered.)
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What a mess. Been to one of my ever growing lists today. Reaching almost the limit I decided to move some to another list based on genre. While I can filter by the genre I want the there is no way to select them. I even tried EDIT. Still no joy. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

As a regular contributor in correcting the many many mistakes in imdb I am going on STRIKE. No more contributions from ME until compact view with select and move to other/new lists is returned.

I suggest everyone else who is as pissed off as I am with imdb do the same. Let imdb stew in it's own juice of millions of mistakes. GO ON STRIKE. NO MORE EDITING.
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See below, its probably the real reason why they won't bring back compact mode.  They probably made some deal with Amazon just so they could make more money.  But not sure why they can't add a hyperlink in compact mode to Amazon.  My only guess is it seems more subtle this way.  I'm going to cancel my prime membership.


Hopefully now with the year over and more people pulling up their lists to update it will voice their issues with this.  But I think most are giving up and just using a Word document instead or another movie site.  Nobody wants to look at or edit a list of more than 100 movies now.  IMDB just screwed their most passionate film fans.
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In terms of website interaction, Amazon treats IMDb like a bastard stepchild. IMDb.com has tons of hyperlinks to Amazon.com, whereas Amazon.com scarcely acknowledges the existence of IMDb.com. It's sad.
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@Chris
If Amazon were requiring the big link to view/buy each title, then surely the primary target would be the WATCHLIST, which has no such display. Nor does the CHECK-INS, which is supposed to be about sharing your preferences on social media (which I don't understand, because you can share any of your lists there?)

Instead, Watchlist and Check-ins have a tiny icon buried atop the poster. That icon would easily fit on a single line per title Compact View for lists. So your conspiracy theory doesn't hold much water for me. 

If I used Watchlist as a list of things I wanted to watch, I would want all the Showtimes/ Buy Me information right there on that page. (Instead, it's my parking garage for lists being created from searches or sorted lists. Because we lost Compact View, any copy/move that I don't want to hand-select, and/or that I don't want to happen in List Order, must go through the Watchlist.)

If I were the liaison from Amazon to IMDb, I'd be all over the Watchlist functionality, pushing for ways to promote its use, making sure it was still prominent on the Reference View, checking that people didn't abandon it after the Dec 6 update (due to reasons in the paragraph above), and insuring it advertises the Amazon links properly. I don't think there is much in the way of smart product management happening for the Watchlist right now.

@Jeorj
Amazon uses IMDb quite a bit on its Video streaming titles, extracting plot synopsis, cast and average rating, while using the IMDb logo (sample video title, but no link back to stepchild IMDb). And many of the IMDb hyperlinks to Amazon lead nowhere useful, which is annoying, making both IMDb and Amazon look bad.
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Yes, Amazon uses IMDb's information, provided that a given item is cataloged on IMDb. Most items of the pertinent kind are. There is no doubt about that. It's still bothersome that for a given item, there is no hyperlink to the corresponding profile of the movie, series, episode or video game. Now I wouldn't expect there to be a link in the Amazon app for smartphones or entertainment-specific devices, but definitely the website should, at least for the sake that Amazon and IMDb have a partnership as opposed to being completely separate from each other. Without a hyperlink, a lot of IMDb content receives less exposure on the world-wide web. It might not matter, though. I get the feeling that IMDb is sinking in SEO rankings, perhaps beat out by Wikipedia. The trivia pages and title FAQ pages are horribly neglected, and additionally they just aren't well-referenced throughout the Web.

As for the hyperlinks from IMDb to Amazon, the only ones that seem useful are the "Watch Now" references, complete with option indicators (Amazon Video rental price, Amazon Video buy price, Amazon Prime Video availability or disc availability, but notably a "Free with Ads" indicator is missing). The hyperlinks that point to an Amazon item search are absurdly unrefined and should probably not even appear on an IMDb page unless pertinent search results are guaranteed. The ads are not so bad, but they are ads, and you may not know where they will take you, or sometimes they hog up the page. Again, it's as though IMDb owes Amazon this acceptance of a smaller piece of the good pie. I just wish I knew why.
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@Jeorj
Even the video links (IMDb to Amazon) are sometimes wrong. I used Snow White (1937) as an example in my post immediately above because I had stumbled on that video link being wrong, and mentioned it in a thread about adding dvd links. My reply was then forked off into an idea:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/how-to-report-bad-amazon-video-on-disc-links
and they also fixed the bad dvd link (it formerly went to a more recent version of SW), which is pretty amazing, since I didn't mention it was SW, so they actually followed the links I provided.

Until IMDb gets better, maybe it's a good thing that Amazon doesn't link to it yet. (We had another bout of Error 500 this week when you tried to access any list other than Watchlist  or Checkins).
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Okay. Just send the bad links to me :P
(Well, post them on an appropriate GS topic, that is.)
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Amazon links are useless to me. As a member who lives in S.E. Asia buying from Amazon is NOT an option. Last time I did I was faced with an over 100% import duty. Please don't get me wrong I am not saying Amazon links should not be there but that they should not be there to sacrifice IMDb list functionality and usability. Right now we have title lists that cannot be edited/moved  based upon genre. Surely there must be a way to do both. If IMDB is so clever why don't they take on some of the users suggestions and give us back compact mode AND have hyperlinks in it to Amazon. That should satisfy both camps. Or are IMDb like a stubborn child and would rather smash the toy than share it.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled New editing of lists is horrible.

It so hard to edit list order in new lists editing now, in functionality new interface of list editing is like switching from Windows 10 to DOS. I really need possibility to drag items inside lists... Like look, here is list of my 500 all-time favorite movies: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000036249/ , if I want to add some new one here, now I can't compare it during the process, I need to open few pages at same time for checking it and saving and re-editing list several times, but even worse: I want to keep certain movies in the beginning and end of each 100 within 500, so now it requires 100 times more time to do it, it just take nearly an hour to add 3 new movies there, it is very disappointing, now I guess I will be not doing it anymore :(
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled IMDb lists.

@Igor Balashov
I agree that ordering lists is very difficult now. Hopefully IMDb will address that soon.

I'm glad to have seen your list. You have a very international mix, and the Refine feature does not provide a way to select certain countries or languages. You might want to provide links and/or instructions for how a user can search your list. Here are instructions I wrote:
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls027342264/
Feel free to copy, adapt or refer to them.

You might want to provide at least a couple of links to get them started, like:
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?countries=jp&lists=ls000036249&sort=release_date,asc
http://www.imdb.com/search/title?languages=fr&lists=ls000036249&sort=release_date,asc

Or perhaps an array of links in your list description, like this:

Countries: England | France | Japan | Russia | US 
Languages: English | French | Japanese | Russian 
each with a link. On IMDb description/comment fields, the format for links is described here:
https://help.imdb.com/article/imdb/track-movies-tv/how-do-i-create-a-link-in-one-of-my-descriptions/...#

It would be a 1-time effort on your part, and would provide a nice service for your viewers, of whom you already have a LOT.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: New editing of lists is horrible.
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Hell, yeah, bderoes.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Seen and not seen movies, tv shows, etc..

A feature has been taken away while looking at different lists. The seen/not seen list that would say, for example, I've seen 5 out of 20 movies. Why was this taken away? I actually really liked it. I don't get why things keep getting removed from this site.
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This is still supported. Please click the "Refine" link near the top of any list and navigate to "You and This List" then filter by "Titles I rated", for example from http://www.imdb.com/list/ls027959285/

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Yes but you cannot do this in edit mode. It is therefore impossible to edit only seen movies, certain genre, or certain years etc. All this was previously available in compact mode which has been removed by IMDb. Functionality of this site is getting close to ZERO.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled IMDb lists.

All I want is to be able to print my lists without the pictures!!!  How does taking that feature away improve anything. 

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You can print from edit mode, although this still includes small thumbnail posters.

If you want to print pure text content from a list then our recommendation is to export it and print from Excel or Google Docs or any compatible software.  Click the three dots in the upper right of any list page and choose "Export" from the menu which appears:



Load the file into your preferred software and you can pick exactly which fields to include in the print; much more flexible than any option we could offer directly in the interface (and with many more data fields available). 
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For example from http://www.imdb.com/list/ls027959285/ here's the start of a print of the data sorted by number of IMDb votes, showing only the title and director(s):

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled what happened to the compact list view list view on my lists. only grid view and....

What happened to the compact list view on my many movie title lists? It now takes me 10 times the amount of time to locate title info compared to the grid view an detail view format
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If all you need is the title, then either Compact view from Advanced Title Search or this bookmarklet, or the Seen functionality described here give you 3 solutions to viewing a list in short form. (Beware that Seen will display the full list in 1 page, so a long list will take a long time to load, and ATS has no option to sort by List Order.)

I, too, miss Compact Mode and hope they bring it back soon, along with drag & drop order change. But these solutions help me in the meantime.
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This is the 9th working day after New Year's day. It's time to review the post-update (Dec 6) bug list. If anyone thinks something here is fixed, please comment. If I missed adding something to the list which hasn't been fixed, please comment.

@IMDb: if any of these are now "features" and we need to move them to the Suggestions list, please comment.
  1. missing 4 columns from export of lists and checkins: directors, you rated, release date, url; added back dir, rel and url, but not in original sequence; working on adding ratings
  2. fixed: missing list of lists 
  3. fixed: description display issues (&, +, -, line break issues)
  4. description display issues (&, +, -, line break issues) on Image list 
  5. view count was removed; now it's back but vast quantity of counts are missing; will it show the "in last 3 days" or similar count?  View count does not appear to advance? "in last week count" is 0?
  6. within Edit mode, Select list (to copy or move titles) doesn't include a Create new list option
  7. in Edit mode, Add a title doesn't find TV episodes or short films unless the title id is used
  8. in Edit mode, Add a title (or name on People list) doesn't support using the full url
  9. in ATS and when sorting lists, IMDb rating order is no longer accurate: when titles have the same visible average, they are then sorted by popularity instead of further decimal places
  10. Related lists to a title is restricted to 100 lists; Col says we'll get full access back in early 2018
  11. description user link [link=ur###] gives wrong text and wrong link
  12. fixed: Edit mode, reordering a title in a list of over 1000 titles gives false feedback on refresh "1,301 - 2 of 2" at bottom of screen, 2 titles at top of screen
  13. fixed: Edit mode, reordering a title, leaving comma in position number gives NO change in order
  14. Edit mode, reordering all titles but one, the unaltered title does not retain its position
  15. Edit mode, adding title to last page of list longer than 1000 titles, falsely shows new item's position as 2; Karen replied 'looking into it'; confirmed bug still happens on 12 Jan 2018
  16. RSS watchlist feed reverted to HTML instead of XML.
  17. fixed: exporting another person's lists is gone; Karen says they're working on it
  18. fixed: the creation date for a list is gone; Karen says they're working on it
  19. text produced for company link is missing (just displays co code) [link=co###]
  20. display of non-Latin alphabet in descriptions has failed; now just string of &##; codes
  21. starmeter and date of birth gone from people lists
  22. people list, edit, add search doesn't find porn cast
  23. Export list, title should be the local version (per user settings), not the original version
  24. Edit mode, TV episode does not show name of series
  25. Can't edit Watchlist with > 9,999 titles; get error 500
  26. Export list, TV episode does not show name of series
  27. fixed: Create list: problems with characters +, & in name and in description, and with <enter> in description. <enter> is different in the pop-up for Create than for page-resident-in-tab.
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How to edit a title list by filtering it to say those only of a certain genre. It existed before in compact mode but that has now gone.
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Still do not the see the ability to format text in my description box such as colors like:
 [red]RED[/red] or [blue]BLUE[/blue] or [orange]ORANGE[/orange], etc.
Odd because [b]BOLD[/b], [purple]PURPLE[/purple] & [i]ITLAIC[/i]  still work.
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Thanks for compiling this.  It is very helpful. 

Items which are bugs:
  • missing 4 columns from export of lists and checkins: directors, you rated, release date, url; added back dir, rel and url, but not in original sequence; working on adding ratings
  • in Edit mode, Add a title doesn't find TV episodes or short films unless the title id is used
  • description user link [link=ur###] gives wrong text and wrong link
  • Edit mode, reordering all titles but one, the unaltered title does not retain its position
  • Edit mode, adding title to last page of list longer than 1000 titles, falsely shows new item's position as 2; Karen replied 'looking into it'; confirmed bug still happens on 12 Jan 2018
  • display of non-Latin alphabet in descriptions has failed; now just string of &##; codes
  • Edit mode, TV episode does not show name of series
  • Export list, TV episode does not show name of series

Items which should be feature suggestions, please post them as separate Ideas:
  • within Edit mode, Select list (to copy or move titles) doesn't include a Create new list option
  • in Edit mode, Add a title (or name on People list) doesn't support using the full url
  • text produced for company link is missing (just displays co code) [link=co###]
  • starmeter and date of birth gone from people lists
  • Export list, title should be the local version (per user settings), not the original version

Items which already exist as Ideas on Get Satisfaction:

Items which have already been fixed or will not be fixed:
  • Related lists to a title is restricted to 100 lists; Col says we'll get full access back in early 2018  [DONE to 1,000 which is as far as scalable]
  • people list, edit, add search doesn't find porn cast [will not be fixed, please use nm-const values to add]
  • Can't edit Watchlist with > 9,999 titles; get error 500 [watchlist limit is 10K]
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@Col: thanks for responding point-by-point. I'll submit the 5 items as ideas. I'll post links back here when I'm done. 

I'm not sure what you mean in your reply repeated below; is nm-const the Name ID, like nm0000001 for Fred Astaire (url http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000001/ )
  • people list, edit, add search doesn't find porn cast [will not be fixed, please use nm-const values to add]
I confirmed the item "Related lists to a title is restricted to 100 lists" now goes beyond 100, and I was able to get to all 3 pages of 100 lists each for the title I tried.

@everyone: I confirmed that Col addressed each non-fixed item on the Bug list, which will now retire.
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Thanks again.  I am confirming we have entered all eight of the bugs into our bug tracking system for action as we work through various fixes and enhancements. 

Also yes, nm-const is the Name ID for this workaround. 
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Export list, TV episode does not show name of series
This was fixed last month, thanks.
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Edit mode, reordering all titles but one, the unaltered title does not retain its position
We have a question on this one ... from an implementation perspective, we currently sendjust the items whose positions were updated to the server. And on the server,we update their positions in ascending order (so the item with the lowest"new" position is updated first and so on).

We could consider updating the "new" positionsin descending order. This way, an item that is unaltered will only be bumpeddown by the number of items whose "new" positions are less than/equalto the unaltered item's current position. So in the example below,Westworld would be placed at 2 instead of 4 after reordering. However, thiswould also mean that Suits, which we changed to 2, will be placed at 3.


We would love to get some extra clarity to see if the secondapproach is closer to what you prefer? 

Original list:




reordering process:




after reordering:




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@Col

Thanks for asking!

Yours is not an example of what I meant (and this was MY bug report, not just my cataloging someone else's). But to answer your question, the way your screenshots show the results is how it works now, no? And that's fine. Your proposed alternative is that despite specifying that I want Suits at 2, it would land at 3; NO, that would NOT be ok.

Here's an example of the bug I reported. I had a list of (let's say) 20 titles, and when I determined their new order within a spreadsheet, all but item 11 had new positions. So I entered the new positions for all 19 titles at the same time, and when the results came back, the title formerly at 11 was wildly elsewhere. 

To reproduce, I'll make a 5-item list:

Now I want to numericize the titles; #2 is already Second Chorus, so it doesn't need to move. So I enter this:


And after saving, get this:

And I actually entered the number 2 in the position for Second Chorus. But the algorithm ignored that, and shuffled things one at a time, with poor results, especially given that 1 title came out of 1st position, and only 1 title needed to replace it.

You say:
we currently send just the items whose positions were updated to the server. And on the server,we update their positions in ascending order (so the item with the lowest "new" position is updated first and so on).
But I typed in all the position numbers. Did you not send the 2 for Second Chorus to the server because it was the same as originally displayed?

Let's assume that's the case: you only send 4 titles to be moved. Let's call them E, A, C and D, originally in positions 1, 3, 4, and 5. So you sort the changes ascending by new position, and start moving. So A(3), C(4), D(5), E(1). 
round 0: EBACD 
round 1: AEBCD (moved A)
round 2: AECBD (moved C)
round 3: AECDB (moved D)
round 4: ACDBE (moved E)

Yup, that got it wrong.

What if you just take them in their original sequence?
round 0: EBACD
round 1: BACDE (move the first changed title, E)
round 2: ABCDE (move the 2nd changed title, A)
now C & D are already at their destination.
B landed in the correct position.

I don't know how much worse it gets when you're only moving 5 titles out of 1000, or if my example is somehow special. Surely there are academic articles out there for how best to do such things. I have 3 volumes of Knuth collecting dust in the next room; I think there are 2 more since then...
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Thanks for clarifying the issue. We have updated the ticket with the example.
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Edit mode, adding title to last page of list longer than 1000 titles, falsely shows new item's position as 2; Karen replied 'looking into it'; confirmed bug still happens on 12 Jan 2018
This has also just been fixed.  Thanks again for the bug report.
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Fix confirmed: 
Edit mode, adding title to last page of list longer than 1000 titles, falsely shows new item's position as 2; Karen replied 'looking into it'; confirmed bug still happens on 12 Jan 2018
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If you have any specific suggestions for List functionality that doesn't appear on this list, please comment. Also, please see #10; if you can fill in those blanks, please comment.

@IMDb: should we turn this into an Idea thread, or 25 more of them?

Suggestions for Title Lists since Dec 6 change to Lists

  1. return drag/drop reordering to Edit mode
  2. add Refine features to Ratings list
  3. return the old compact view, esp. mouseover the description icon displaying description
  4. Edit mode: need Last Page link
  5. Edit mode: need page navigation and Done button on top and bottom of each page.
    1. alternate: have navigation on floating menu that follows you on the page
  6. Edit mode: need copy to, move to, delete and Save List Order on top and bottom of each page
    1. alternate: have navigation on floating menu that follows you on the page
  7. Edit mode, Add title: alternate titles appear; need titles that match the search; see how it's done on iPhone app
  8. Watchlist should include Refine option for On TV (and support all options that regular lists do)
  9. need method to change TV service provider for On TV accuracy
  10. return description text formatting previously supported (colors, etc.) https://www.imdb.com/activity/help/descriptionmarkup (This page is gone now. Does anyone have the list of markups formerly supported? I didn't find it at the Wayback Machine either.)
  11. Edit mode: provide one-button delete title again
  12. List view: Option to show more than 100 titles per page
  13. Sort lists by description/comments entered
  14. Edit mode, alter position, allow <enter> within position box to trigger Save List Order.
    1. alternate: 6.1 above
  15. return to old compact view, with column for date rated
  16. Add the Refine sort options to Edit mode to facilitate Move To selection and List Order changes.
    1. alternate: 15.
  17. Edit mode: return ability to submit title or name additions to list by their full URL
  18. Edit mode, place a duplicate Add Title box at the top of the page
  19. list edit: provide floating menu to take us to the move/copy/reorder options NEAR the TOP or to the navigation/add title NEAR the BOTTOM of the edit page, not to the physical top/bottom
  20. list edit, add title: as part of the drop-down results, provide a link that would show full search results in a new tab, namely the same results we'd get from the search box at the top of every page, but without having to reenter the search
  21. Edit, Add title, show thumbnail image with title matches, and make results box bigger to accommodate that.
  22. To List of Lists, add to menu for each title: Export and Settings. 
  23. Provide an easy way to add ATS search results to a list. Maybe use a captcha to confirm it's not an automated spammer.
  24. ATS should show creator's title comments/descriptions from list on detailed search results. (Remember we can apply ATS url to lists not our own.)
  25. ATS sort option of List Order so we can see the position number in a compact list of 250 again.
  26. need true position numbers of titles in a list (see this GS post)
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Edit mode: Return all the Refine and Sort functions which are now only currently available in View mode (particularly alphabetical).
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Most important. Completely lost all edit functionality on large lists.
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 The return of description text formatting that previously supported (colors, etc.) https://www.imdb.com/activity/help/descriptionmarkup  would be great!
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@Denise (and everyone)
The description markup features you (and I) want is on the Suggestions list at #10. As I stated in that item, the link you provide is now dead, and I'd like to flesh out the missing features from the memories of participants here.

A couple of those items are Bugs #11 & #19. 
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Updates to List Pages
10. return description text formatting previously supported (colors, etc.)
https://www.imdb.com/activity/help/descriptionmarkup
(This page is gone now.
Does anyone have the list of markups formerly supported?
I didn't find it at the Wayback Machine either.)
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Boards Markup
The following markup tags are available for your use on the message boards:
Highlighting and Linking

Highlighting and Linking
[b]...[/b] Make [b]some text[/b] boldface Make some text boldface
[i]...[/i] Make [i]some text[/i] italic Make some text italic
[url]...[/url] URL link: [url]http://www.imdb.com/[/url] URL link: http://www.imdb.com/
[email]...[/email] Email link: [email]nobody@imdb.com[/email] Email link: nobody@imdb.com
[link]... Name Link: [link=nm2106835] URL link: Cynthia Lea
[link]... Title Link: [link=tt0093832] URL link: Red's Dream
[link]... Character Link: [link=ch0000007] URL link: James Bond
[link]... Company Link: [link=co0023400] URL link: Paramount Pictures
[link]... Event Link: [link=ev0000003] URL link: The Academy Awards
[link]... User Link: [link=ur1000000] URL link: Col Needham
 
Formatting and Quoting
[pre]...[/pre] Preserve formatting:
[pre]
+----------+
| hi there !
+----------+
[/pre]
Preserve formatting:
+----------+
| hi there !
+----------+
 
[quote]...[/quote] Block quote:
[quote]Open the pod bay doors, Hal[/quote] Block quote:

Open the pod bay doors, Hal
[spoiler]...[/spoiler] Spoilers:
[spoiler]Open the pod bay doors, Hal[/spoiler] Spoilers:  

Using Colors
[red]...[/red] Set the [red]color[/red] to red. Set the color to red.
[green]...[/green] Set the [green]color[/green] to green. Set the color to green.
[blue]...[/blue] Set the [blue]color[/blue] to blue. Set the color to blue.
[orange]...[/orange] Set the [orange]color[/orange] to orange. Set the color to orange.
[black]...[/black] Set the [black]color[/black] to black. Set the color to black.
[white]...[/white] Set the [white]color[/white] to white. Set the color to white.
[yellow]...[/yellow] Set the [yellow]color[/yellow] to yellow. Set the color to yellow.
[purple]...[/purple] Set the [purple]color[/purple] to purple. Set the color to purple.

Icons
Basic:

[4eyes]   

 [afro] 

 [angel]

[angry]

[argue]

[aura]

 [bigeek]

 [biggrin] 

[bigrazz] 

[birthday]

[blah]

 [blush]

[bounce]

 [caver]

[chatty] 

[cheers] 

[cloak]

[clown]

 [colorful]

[confused]

[cool]

[cry]

[dead]

[devil]

 [eek]

[embarrassed]

 [explode]

[eyes]

 [frozen]

 [glasses]

[gonemad]

[gum]

[hehe] 


[hide]

[iloveu]

[interest]

[joker]

[kiss]

[laugh]

[newbie]

[ninja]

[no] 

[noir]

[none]

[odd]


may take an hour or more to add the rest of these


[out] [party] [popcorn] [rainbow] [razz]

[roll] [roll2] [royal] [sad] [shy]

[sigh] [sleep] [smile] [smoke1] [snow]

[sword] [trendy] [uhoh] [upset] [wave]

[weird] [white] [wild] [wink] [winkgrin] [yes]

Animals:
[animal] [bunny] [butterfly] [cat] [cats]

[dog] [flowercat] [nicebat] [pig] [spider] [whitecat] 

Confused:
[change] [conf1] [conf2] [conf3] [devilconf]

[giveup] [help] [hmm] [mjeyds] [wazup]
 

Cool:
[cool1] [cool2] [cooldance] [cooldance2] [coolmonkey]

[hasta] [trum]  
 

Happy:
[2face] [3c] [3eyes] [blink] [clap]

[hat] [hippy] [sombrero] [square] [wave3] [xmas] 
 

Jumping:
[jump1] [jump10] [jump2] [jump3] [jump4]

[jump5] [jump6] [jump7] [jump8] [jump9]
 

Love:
[love1] [love10] [love2] [love3] [love4]

[love5] [love6] [love7] [love8] [love9]
 

Sad:
[sad1] [sad2] [sad3] [sad4] [sad5]

[sad6] [sad7] [sad8]   


Evil Grin:
[evil1] [evil10] [evil2] [evil3] [evil4]

[evil5] [evil6] [evil7] [evil8] [evil9]
 

Angry:
[angry1] [angry10] [angry2] [angry3] [angry4]

[angry5] [angry6] [angry7] [angry9] [flameangry]
 

Fighting:
[fight1] [fight10] [fight2] [fight3] [fight4]

[fight5] [fight6] [fight7] [fight8] [fight9]
 

Miscellaneous:
[blush2] [hairrise] [listicon] [misc1] [misc2]

[misc3] [sleep1] [tongue] [tongue2]  
 

The above graphics are used with kind permission from Planetsmilies.com.


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https://www.imdb.com/activity/help/descriptionmarkup
(This page is gone now.
Does anyone have the list of markups formerly supported?
I didn't find it at the Wayback Machine either.)
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Wayback Machine
Here is an OLD list: 12 16 2002 ?
http://web.archive.org/web/20021216105352/http://www.imdb.com:80/help/boards/markup



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@ACT_1
Thank you for posting the list of markups!

Can you share how you found the older markup list on the Wayback Machine? I've only used their search box, which only accepts URLs.
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Thank you for posting the list of markups!
Can you share how you found the older markup list on the Wayback Machine?
I've only used their search box, which only accepts URLs.
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I saved the markup page on by computer just before the Boards closed


I do not use Wayback Machine often

I dont remember ... just bounced around there and found the Markup page

There may be EZer way to find this ??  find a newer Mark up page ??
Tried agin...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.imdb.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/20021216105352/http://www.imdb.com:80/

http://web.archive.org/web/20020924002213/http://www.imdb.com:80/boards/

http://web.archive.org/web/20021216104400/http://www.imdb.com:80/help/boards/
INTRODUCTION
Body text:
This is where you compose the body of your message.
When composing messages, we do not allow HTML within the posts,
but we do offer a simple markup language that will allow you to do things
like bold your words, use italics, add icons, and so on.
Click on the "markup enabled" link, and it will take you to a list of the various markup tags
that are available on our message boards.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021216105352/http://www.imdb.com:80/help/boards/markup

Wayback Machine takes a long time to find stuff there and the dates change

http://web.archive.org/web/20150103024421/http://www.imdb.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/20140802054826/http://www.imdb.com/boards/

I Need To Know
http://web.archive.org/web/20170112121951/http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000001/threads/

IMDb Information
http://web.archive.org/web/20170213124123/http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000040/threads/

Thread Title Started By Latest Posting
Happy New Year 2017 from IMDb - bbsadmin - Sun Feb 5 2017 15:20
Page: 1 2 3 ... last


Get a lot of this:

Hrm.
Wayback Machine doesn't have that page archived.



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Search for:
" http://www.imdb.com:/help/boards/markup "
find:

Saved 73 times between October 2, 2002 and March 15, 2017.
Note:
This calendar view maps the number of times
www.imdb.com/help/boards/markup was crawled by the Wayback Machine,
not how many times the site was actually updated. More info in the FAQ.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120201000000*/www.imdb.com/help/boards/markup

Different dates show this:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120103080329/http://www.imdb.com:80/help/boards/markup

or

IMDb Message Boards Announcement
The IMDb message boards were disabled on February 20, 2017.
This included the Private Message system.
IMDb is passionately committed to providing innovative ways
for our hundreds of millions of users to engage and communicate with one another.
We will continue to enhance our current offerings and launch new features in 2017
and beyond that will help our customers communicate and express themselves in meaningful ways.


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@IMDb: should we turn this into an Idea thread, or 25 more of them?
Yes please, a separate Idea thread per theme, see my comment on compact view, so no need to open 25 individual ones.  

Please file #9 as a new problem as this is a bug not directly related to lists.
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@ Col: Will do.

@everyone: I'll post links back here when I'm done with all of them, and it's the next thing I'll do.

@anyone: #9 is "need method to change TV service provider for On TV accuracy" and I know nothing about this, so I couldn't respond to any questions if posed. Can someone help me here? If possible, go ahead and post it as a Problem per Col above, and Comment back here when done. 
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@everyone

Many of us miss Compact View/Mode for various reasons. Compact View and/or its features are mentioned several times on the Suggestions list, but not all the CV features are detailed. I'm going to attempt to list the features I miss. Please comment if I omit something important.
  1. One line per title, NO thumbnail image
  2. 250 titles on a page
  3. The Columns should be:
    1. Checkbox to select the title for copy/move/delete
    2. Position number, editable 
    3. Icon for description/comments of list creator. Mouseover would display those comments. Perhaps click on icon for pop-up edit window.
    4. Clickable icon for pop-up display of Showtimes/On TV/On Disc/View online (not there before, but desirable)
    5. Title (Year of release)
    6. Title type (movie, short, TV, game, etc.)
    7. IMDb rating
    8. My rating, editable
    9. Date of my rating?
    10. Date added to list?
    11. Director?
  4. Ability to Refine and Sort as we have now with View Mode.
  5. Ability to Move To, Copy To, Delete, Save List Order as we have now in Edit Mode.
  6. Drag/drop to change position (previously in prior Edit Mode, but Compact View could replace old and new Edit mode with this feature list. However, it might need to be a separate feature, depending on processing power needed, especially for so many titles on the same page.)
@IMDb: should this be an Idea thread? 
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@IMDb: should this be an Idea thread? 
Yes it should be, thanks.
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Thanks again, this is very useful. 
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@bderoes,

Thanks for compiling these bug / request lists. As Col states above, they are very useful. I've followed and liked each one.

I believe it is also important to have a central thread for the current workarounds.
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I'll assume you will compile (or start) your proposed central thread for the current workarounds.
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Yes, I will compile my proposed central thread for the current workarounds. I will also probably keep the thread closed so that it doesn't become cluttered.
Tutorial: Workarounds
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@Dan - Ah, so you DO have super-powers as a Champion (keep a thread closed).
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@bderoes,

Only some IMDb staff members and Champions have admin rights on Get Satisfaction.
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@bderoes,

Thanks.

I added link to Tutorial: Workarounds

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/tutorial-workarounds?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=a...

As I see other workarounds, I will add them to the tutorial. Suggestions are welcome.

Currently the titles of the mini-tutorials link back to the original post. It may be better to link to the mini-tutorial instead.
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Another thought/request for the Tutorial: Workarounds: A table of contents at the root message. Namely the headings you created, but links to the post within the Tutorial thread. Here they are:

Printing a List Without Pictures
Printing a List Without Pictures (continued)
Commonly Used Acronyms
Sorting a Title List by Ratings (why do we need this? Both Your Rating and IMDb rating are sort options on Title List View.)
Removing Items From an IMDb List
Removing an Invalid Item From an Image List
Searching for IMDb Lists
Filtering and Sorting Ratings; Compact View of Ratings
List of Titles for a Title List
which I would rename
3 Options for Viewing a Title List Compactly

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@bderoes,

I added the table of contents, since this is an excellent idea.

I retained (at for the time being). I will probably remove it.
Sorting a Title List by Ratings

I renamed:
List of Titles for a Title List
to:
3 Options for Viewing a Title List Compactly

Thanks again.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled how to sort alphabetically?.

it seems imdb has updated and i can no longer sort my lists from a to z. can anyone help?
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@Musab Ansary

You probably didn't get an answer because you didn't specify which type of list you wanted to sort.

Some types of lists DO have an alpha-sort right on the page, just above the first title. 

Others do not, and you likely need to use an Advanced Search to help with that.

You may want to browse the  Tutorial: Workarounds thread (much shorter than this one) to see if you can find an answer there.
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Name (people) lists: I don't find the Like button on these. Didn't they used to have it? Will we be able to Like a people list anytime soon? (sorry if this is covered elsewhere; I didn't have the energy to search through 8 pages)
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Hi everyone. Here is a list of updates we've made over the past week (Jan 19):
  • We added pagination to image lists to fix an issue causing browser crashes with large lists
  • We increased the number of items you can see in a list (up to 250 per page) to help users with long lists move items around since drag-and-drop is no longer available
  • Bug fix: If you have a list of 1000+ titles and add another, the total count is now updated correctly
  • Bug fix: We fixed an issue that was causing problems for Kindle Fire users who wanted to reorder list items

Already implemented:
  • Improved list item validation. You can no longer add invalid items, for example, if you accidentally mistype an image ID you will get an error so you know to correct it. Also, if an image is no longer available, you have the ability to delete it so that your list item count is accurate [DONE]
  • Improved the list creation form so that it accepts & and + (for list name and description) [DONE] 
  • Improved list display on Your Activity page (aka your Profile page) so that long list display names wrap to multiple lines [DONE]
I'll update this thread weekly. Thanks for your ongoing feedback and for bearing with us as we make updates to the new system.
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You said:
  • We increased the number of items you can see in a list (up to 250 per page) to help users with long lists move items around since drag-and-drop is no longer available
How do we control this number of items we see? I still get 100 per page (and that's good for normal situations).
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It looks like that was only changed for edit mode.  If they would please increase it to 250 for viewing purposes that would be a step in the right direction.  Hopefully they can reinstate compact mode after that.
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updates to the new system
don't you mean "fix what you broke" or "go back to what we had previously"

I often read here about 'community' but your autocratic changes show you care little of the community that uses your website.
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I too found that Edit mode now displays 250 titles, but find no option to reduce that to 100.

Ironically, Edit mode is the least efficient at displaying thumbnails, since it is dynamically compressing an extra-large image into a tiny space, and takes visibly longer to finish loading than other types of pages. See this thread for more documentation, posted 10 hours ago: https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/site-constantly-loading-yet-fully-loaded?topic-reply-list[se...

I suppose the good news is we can open multiple tabs/windows of Edit mode to see both where the title is and where it's going, and have the number of titles/page match. 

But this is no substitute for drag-and-drop. As documented again in more detail 3 days ago here https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/update-to-list-pages?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=a..., moving titles within lists is a messy business. I don't know if there IS a fool-proof way of moving multiple titles at once and have them land in the exact location you want (at least not without the human understanding the algorithm so well you can predict where it will land). 

If we have to move 1 title at a time to ensure its location, then we need to refresh  (potentially multiple pages) after each move. With a longer Edit view, that means longer refresh time, and needing to use ctrl-F and other keyboard shortcuts to get to the place on the page that you need. This implies that we need an option to display only 100 titles in Edit mode.

It also implies that we still need drag/drop! As I recall, it was only 50 titles/page for that view, probably because things get wobbly with dynamic "card" placement.
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Edit mode is the least efficient at displaying thumbnails, since it is dynamically compressing an extra-large image into a tiny space, and takes visibly longer to finish loading than other types of pages.
Correct. Shows how little IMDb programmers know about web design. And seriously what does a 40px x 57px image do to a page except add a little color. It is so small it might as well not be there. Which is exactly the point.

BRING BACK COMPACT MODE.
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Hi everyone. Here is the progress update for the week ending Jan 26. This week:
  • We improved the performance of list editing for users with large lists
  • We added links to checklist, watchlist, and ratings to the top of Your Lists page
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The active links to external websites (e.g. Youtube) stopped functioning again.
Here's an example
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls005313331/
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled No. of items shown in one page in a list, increased from 100 to 250!.

I recently saw that no. of items shown in a list page, has increased from 100 to 250. I really want to thank and congratulate IMDb staff and management for this decision. This change has greatly reduced the toil and effort required to manage and maintain a very long list.

I would have preferred a customization through which I could show all items on one page, but nevertheless, this change still, is a huge relief, very big, and was long awaited and due. Thanks again.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Ordering items on lists.

Is there any plan to restore the drag-and-drop method of re-ordering items on a list?

The current/new way of numbering and then saving the new order is totally inefficient - you have to number and save and number and save several times to get a list of more than eight items in an order you want.
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It's nearly impossible for a human to anticipate what the current sort algorithm will do, even when you understand it.

Col described their method here, and I replied with an example that shows how easily it fails.

I mentioned (at that post) that Information Science has studied the problem of sorting/merging extensively. But I'll bet most if not all academic articles on the subject deal with an objective, unchanging key by which the items should be sorted.

Hopefully IMDb staff are realizing that when we specify that we want an item to appear before the title  currently at position n, they need to hang on to the actual title, not just the number n. Otherwise many combinations of moving more than one title at a time will fail.

I'm not sure why drag/drop is anathema now. Certainly the prior implementation was resource-consuming (poor response, wonky) with only 50 titles on a page. But if the Google Keep app on my Android phone can let me move editable text on a list just by hold/drag/drop, why can't a desktop webpage?