Voter Rating Issue

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Why does the voter ranking drop suddenly when there have been no new votes?
It was 8.5 and it dropped to 4 without any new voting....the film hasn't been released yet either - it doesn't make sense.
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Posted 6 years ago

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If the film hasn't been released then there should be no voting. Can you supply a link?
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The IMDb has it being shown at three film festivals, and it just hit the 100-voter mark: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2065898/r.... That's the cut-off for when the weighted average kicks in, right?
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sienel, 100 votes is the cross-over point when the weighted average is reported verses the Arithmetic mean. Until recently, only the weighted average was reported for any title with 5 or more votes.
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Yep, as noted above:

This film has been released, so is open for voting.

The drop has happened because it did get more votes and this took it over the threshold of 100 votes. This is important because there was a big problem with "score bombing" where some top voters have been voting films down with 1 star votes and because they get an extra weighting on their votes, this disproportionately brought the weighted mean down on films with small numbers of votes:

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...

Staff implemented a fix that wouldn't apply this weighting below 100 hundred votes, the point your film has just passed:

https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...

So you are now getting the weighting applied and this is dragging your rating down.

There aren't many fixes for this:

* The best is to get your film out there, so more users can watch it and vote for it, the weight of votes will offset the low votes and it'll balance out to a more reliable mean. Easier said than done, obviously but if you can get it on instant viewing (like Amazon Instant and Love Film, important because IMDB is an Amazon company, so these get listed directly in IMDB's pages,or Netflix, which doesn't) that'd help, as would a home media release.

* Lobby IMDB to change the cut-off to 200 or 500 votes. I doubt that'll get much traction but it might be worth a suggestion, as a lot of film-makers might be interested.

* There is also my suggestion to give the weighting to the top reviewers, which can't be used to spam in votes and the reviews are public too:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...

Hope that explains what has happened and what you can do to address the issue.
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Thank you!
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Emperor keeps giving the same incorrect answer to every report of score bombing. What is now happening is that every new release is quickly voted on by 2 to 3 dozen Top 1000 Voter accounts and each of these accounts votes a score of 1 for every movie. Gravity now has 161 votes from TOP 1000 Voters, and 37 of those 161 votes score Gravity a 1/10.

Look, if 37 of the TOP 1000 voters were each trying to stuff the ballot box in order to remain a Top 1000 Voters, then why are all 37 giving every movie the exact same ranking - a 1/10? One would expect that some voters would give every movie a 5, or a 6 or a 7. That would be far less conspicuous. But every single voter is voting a 1/10.

This is automated robotic software in action - and each of the 37+ accounts that are using automated voting are using the same software to post votes - there is no other reason why they are all voting Gravity and other films a 1/10. The similarity of the voting makes it highly likely that the voting on these accounts is coordinated. This is not 37 idiots acting independently - this is 37 accounts using the same voting software or voting instructions.

Why is a film with 101 votes or even 10,000 votes considered to be immune from voting software that is voting a score of 1/10 many dozens of times? Do the math, it is corrupting the results of IMDB voting. It would be trivial for IMDB to identify the accounts that are using the BOTs to bomb new releases and to disqualify their votes. Why isn't that being done?

No company -including IMDB - can maintain the trust of their User community if they fail to safeguard the integrity of the information that is being posted.

And Emperor, please stop trying to wallpaper over this corrupt voting scandal.
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Thank you Gordon - finally someone makes sense of this.  Either way on our issue, the film will be released domestically through Vertical Entertainment in February 2014 at which point, voting can officially start on IMDB.  It was played in 28 film festivals and received 28 Awards, so our team is pretty secure in how the public will respond and hopefully IMDB will reflect a more accurate portrayal of our film's rating and this "corrupt voting scandal" will be a distant memory.

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