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I don't know what you have done to your ranking system but I was apparently put into a "test group which stinks". My ranking has gone down tremendously and I would please ask that you put me into "A BETTER" test group. Several actors I know are doing the same thing I am by building fan bases on Facebook then asking them to please like My IMDB page. My fellow actors have fared well in their rankings but mine keeps falling despite adding new views specifically this week in large numbers. This last month has been a sham.
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A ranking is not a ranking if some of the people are manipulating it with extra clicks. Doing that should not affect your ranking. So, the system seems to be working well.
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Craig sorry but you are wrong. Under your thinking everyone is treated the same and that is not true over the past 3 weeks. I am not utilizing a boost service but have been told by IMDB that test groups are being formed with each IMDB member being assigned to one. I'd prefer to hear from an IMDB representative to explain. Thanks.
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A system that measures how often people seek you out on IMDb is rigged and invalidated if you're guiding them to your page. Those clicks should not be counted. I am not wrong. Sorry. And, my posting does not affect staff's ability to do so. Like StarMeter is not for you to use and control, neither is this forum. If you want personalized answers without input from the rest of the community, use the staff contact form linked on the main page of this forum, and at the bottom of all IMDb pages rather than this public forum.
Thanks for your reply.
Thanks for your reply.
Emperor, Champion
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What makes you think you are in a test group?
There seem to have been changes made to the way Starmeter rankings are calculated across the board:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...
If your current ranking dropped then there is nothing incorrect about this:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...
There seem to have been changes made to the way Starmeter rankings are calculated across the board:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...
If your current ranking dropped then there is nothing incorrect about this:
https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topi...
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Test groups? Seems to me IMDB should tighten it's standards and try to minimize the effect of artificial boosting services; however, the same algorithm should be applied to all members of IMDB. Beenjamin -- Did you actually receive a message from IMDB indicating there are "groups which stink" and "better groups?" Can you share that here?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Giancarlo Cairella, Official Rep
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There is no such thing as a 'test group'. STARmeter ranks every name listed in the database, using the same formula/mechanism for everyone. If anyone made a statement alleging that there are different treatments for different people, he/she is incorrect and most definitely does not speak on behalf of IMDb.
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It is pretty obvious that anyone who used a publicist who incorporated an IMDB boosting service to help with their client's ranking is now being currently "neutralized". Even if you are not using the service any longer, your "neutralizing" will not have ceased sending your ranking crashing.
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I can prove this 100%.
What I would like to know is when will the neutralizing stop?
What I would like to know is when will the neutralizing stop?
Emperor, Champion
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IMDB has taken steps to stop people from gaming the system and artificially boosting their Starmeter ranking, I don't imagine they are going to stop doing this any time soon.
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There is also another reason for Star Meter rankings drop which nobody is talking about but is an absolute fact....There are honest working performers such as my daughter who took hiatus from acting to pursue her musical ambitions because she is a multi-dimensional child prodigy and loves music. In a short time she has become one of the top street performers in the world based on hourly income and hands out thousands of cards per month promoting her social media pages, one of which is her IMDb page:
http://imdb.me/ILoveRAT
When she was acting two things happened that made us aware of the corrupt Star Ranking system which should be abandoned by IMDb altogether.
1) Two stage mom's were jealous of RAT's (Rita Angel Taylor) quick rise to the top without paying her dues so-to-speak. We were told by mutual acquaintances that they started buying BOTS from Fiverr to destroy her Star Ranking and before we could even leave acting her ranking went from 50,000 (+/-) to 5,000,000 (+/-) and sure enough it was confirmed that was happening. Then,
2) I start getting spammed by emails from a person with a bot buying service soliciting me to join their program to pay for an increased Star Ranking of which I rejected only to get a really scary e-mail from another person with the same service threatening to BOT my child's Star Meter ranking into oblivion unless I used their service, in essence trying to blackmail me into using it.
Since, we were leaving acting anyway, I was not concerned with either 1 or 2 above. However, a year passed and my daughter's popularity starts to grow again and her Star Ranking goes from 5,000,000 (+/-) back down to around 50,000 (+/-) and we were pleased thinking the prior problem with the jealous stage parents and the BOT buying services attempts to blackmail us has disappeared. Then I wake up this morning to an unexplained 400,000 (+/-) drop in her Star Ranking which I believe to be very strange because of the amount of propaganda we hand out to promote her pages every week. Are they back trying to hurt our little Angel? Time will tell.
Bottom line is.....While IMDB's algorithm system is designed to prevent cheaters from falsely manipulating their Star Meter Ranking, it has also opened the door for jealous rivals and the sleaze bags at the Star Ranking buying services to easily destroy a legitimate Star Meter Ranking of anyone no matter how big or popular they are. And, it's not expensive to do it costing as little as $5 for the thousands of people offering such BOT buying services on Fiverr. And, I'm not talking about vendors on Fiverr offering services to destroy Star Meter rankings. I'm referring to the thousands of vendors offering standard Bot services to increase views/traffic to your web site. If you hate someone, then simply fork over $5 for such a service and enter the person' s IMDb page that you want to destroy. IMDb's algorithm will pick it up as the owner of the IMDb page trying to falsely manipulate their Star Meter ranking and will punish the person severely by dropping their Star Meter ranking by hundreds of thousands if not millions.
And, this dark side to the Star Meter ranking can NEVER be remedied by IMDb unless/until they do away with their unfair, undependable, Star Meter ranking altogether which can never be counted on to gauge one's popularity at any given moment but can most definitely hurts someone's career.
No doubt this will eventually end up in a class-action lawsuit that will ultimately force IMDb to eliminate their Star Meter ranking altogether. We probably have enough evidence to prevail in court right now because of what has happened to us in the past and what may be about to start happening again...next week will be telling. Also, common sense tells anyone who knows anything about high-tech that what I am saying here is absolutely true and that there is no way for IMDb to prevent the destruction of legitimate Star Meter rankings by such sleazy people who have nothing better to do with their time than to try and hurt truly talented innocent people who work really hard to try and get their name known or keep their name known in hopes of furthering their career.
And, please reserve comments on the age of RAT and another child's youth lost to parents pushing their child into showbiz at such an early age. RAT is one of the few multi-dimensional child prodigies in the world and is already taking some high-school classes at age 7 (she already knows JS - computer coding). She chooses what she wants to do and is easily bored. Educators have told us it's much more important to keep her active and that's what we do.
Thank you for your time.
http://imdb.me/ILoveRAT
When she was acting two things happened that made us aware of the corrupt Star Ranking system which should be abandoned by IMDb altogether.
1) Two stage mom's were jealous of RAT's (Rita Angel Taylor) quick rise to the top without paying her dues so-to-speak. We were told by mutual acquaintances that they started buying BOTS from Fiverr to destroy her Star Ranking and before we could even leave acting her ranking went from 50,000 (+/-) to 5,000,000 (+/-) and sure enough it was confirmed that was happening. Then,
2) I start getting spammed by emails from a person with a bot buying service soliciting me to join their program to pay for an increased Star Ranking of which I rejected only to get a really scary e-mail from another person with the same service threatening to BOT my child's Star Meter ranking into oblivion unless I used their service, in essence trying to blackmail me into using it.
Since, we were leaving acting anyway, I was not concerned with either 1 or 2 above. However, a year passed and my daughter's popularity starts to grow again and her Star Ranking goes from 5,000,000 (+/-) back down to around 50,000 (+/-) and we were pleased thinking the prior problem with the jealous stage parents and the BOT buying services attempts to blackmail us has disappeared. Then I wake up this morning to an unexplained 400,000 (+/-) drop in her Star Ranking which I believe to be very strange because of the amount of propaganda we hand out to promote her pages every week. Are they back trying to hurt our little Angel? Time will tell.
Bottom line is.....While IMDB's algorithm system is designed to prevent cheaters from falsely manipulating their Star Meter Ranking, it has also opened the door for jealous rivals and the sleaze bags at the Star Ranking buying services to easily destroy a legitimate Star Meter Ranking of anyone no matter how big or popular they are. And, it's not expensive to do it costing as little as $5 for the thousands of people offering such BOT buying services on Fiverr. And, I'm not talking about vendors on Fiverr offering services to destroy Star Meter rankings. I'm referring to the thousands of vendors offering standard Bot services to increase views/traffic to your web site. If you hate someone, then simply fork over $5 for such a service and enter the person' s IMDb page that you want to destroy. IMDb's algorithm will pick it up as the owner of the IMDb page trying to falsely manipulate their Star Meter ranking and will punish the person severely by dropping their Star Meter ranking by hundreds of thousands if not millions.
And, this dark side to the Star Meter ranking can NEVER be remedied by IMDb unless/until they do away with their unfair, undependable, Star Meter ranking altogether which can never be counted on to gauge one's popularity at any given moment but can most definitely hurts someone's career.
No doubt this will eventually end up in a class-action lawsuit that will ultimately force IMDb to eliminate their Star Meter ranking altogether. We probably have enough evidence to prevail in court right now because of what has happened to us in the past and what may be about to start happening again...next week will be telling. Also, common sense tells anyone who knows anything about high-tech that what I am saying here is absolutely true and that there is no way for IMDb to prevent the destruction of legitimate Star Meter rankings by such sleazy people who have nothing better to do with their time than to try and hurt truly talented innocent people who work really hard to try and get their name known or keep their name known in hopes of furthering their career.
And, please reserve comments on the age of RAT and another child's youth lost to parents pushing their child into showbiz at such an early age. RAT is one of the few multi-dimensional child prodigies in the world and is already taking some high-school classes at age 7 (she already knows JS - computer coding). She chooses what she wants to do and is easily bored. Educators have told us it's much more important to keep her active and that's what we do.
Thank you for your time.
Giancarlo Cairella, Official Rep
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Ms. Taylor:
The kind of manipulation you are suggesting is not really feasible
STARmeter is not an absolute number: it's a ranking, meaning that every name listed on IMDb.com is ordered on a chart based on his/her popularity. When someone goes up, someone else has to go down, and vice versa: rankings don't change independently of each other.
While it would be theoretically conceivable to try and influence someone's ranking by attempting to artificially boost their popularity via fake/non-organic activity on the site, the opposite is virtually impossible because in order to make someone's ranking go down you would have to somehow manage to increase the ranking of every other person in the database to placed them above the target of this hypothetical sabotage.
In other words: in order for someone to cause your daughter to drop to, say, 400,000th place on the chart, a person would have to somehow find a way to artificially boost the popularity of 399,999 other names and have them surpass your daughter's ranking at the same time, which is really not a realistic endeavor.
Please also note that I said that trying to increase someone's ranking is only "theoretically" possible because this is not really achievable: we have ways to detect and ignore fake activity aimed at trying to increase someone's ranking, and STARmeter is also constantly improved in that regard.
The kind of manipulation you are suggesting is not really feasible
STARmeter is not an absolute number: it's a ranking, meaning that every name listed on IMDb.com is ordered on a chart based on his/her popularity. When someone goes up, someone else has to go down, and vice versa: rankings don't change independently of each other.
While it would be theoretically conceivable to try and influence someone's ranking by attempting to artificially boost their popularity via fake/non-organic activity on the site, the opposite is virtually impossible because in order to make someone's ranking go down you would have to somehow manage to increase the ranking of every other person in the database to placed them above the target of this hypothetical sabotage.
In other words: in order for someone to cause your daughter to drop to, say, 400,000th place on the chart, a person would have to somehow find a way to artificially boost the popularity of 399,999 other names and have them surpass your daughter's ranking at the same time, which is really not a realistic endeavor.
Please also note that I said that trying to increase someone's ranking is only "theoretically" possible because this is not really achievable: we have ways to detect and ignore fake activity aimed at trying to increase someone's ranking, and STARmeter is also constantly improved in that regard.
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