Why my submission is constantly and instantly being rejected?

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I filled all the necessary fields. I added explanation about why that title should be added and I gave article links backing that but it's constantly and instantly being rejected minute I send it. Can someone look into it please? It's a valid submission and it should be added.
This is the last submission ID if needed: 180916-211028-098000

Thanks

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Hi Meka,

Thank you for providing the submission ID.

Nevertheless, only IIMDb staff can view it. Would you mind sharing what you are attempting to do precisely? And what effect/response do you get from the system?
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Hi Vincent, thanks for the response.

I'm trying to add a new movie. I'm getting "Badly Formatted" response every time I try it but I did everything it wanted, wrote explanation, filled the required fields. I don't know why it's contantly rejected.

Movie is "Freedom Fighters: The Ray". There's a series last year with this name but I explained why this movie is different than the series and should have its own movie page. Here is an article: http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/freedom-fighters-ray-bluray-release-date-announced/
Its relationship with series is exactly how it's between Vixen series and Vixen: The Movie.
Vixen The Movie has its own movie page so Freedom Fighter's feature length release should have its own movie page as well.

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OK, thanks, so could you state how you have entered the badly formatted title?

Did you add (2019) at the end?
Please note that TV series title have to be entered between double quotes, when movie title must not.
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No I didn't add year. I just wrote Freedom Fighters: The Ray without quotes. Should I add year? But I already filled year field and it shows besides name in the final page anyway. Year is 2018 btw it's already released last month.
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Unless mistaken, the warning message should have stated that you have to add the year between parenthesis...
Give it a try!
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It gives this error when I add the year to title: "It looks like you've put IMDb title notation in the title box, please just use the plain title and use the other fields to enter information about the type and release year."
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So what do you enter exactly?
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Hi, Vincent Fournols. What you've suggested is for title corrections. The title creation form works a bit differently.
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OK, my mistake then.

Meka, please follow Jeorj's advices, but please state what you are entering as well!
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For a movie, the fourth stage of the title addition form looks like...

https://d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net/s3_images/1747235/RackMultipart20180820-124558-1lghob9-form.png?1534802085
  • Mandatory Information
    • Release Dates
    • Miscellaneous Link
  • Basic Identifying Information (2 items required)
    • Country of Origin
    • Languages
    • Color / Black & White
    • Genres
    • Directors
  • Production Information (1 item required)
    • Budget
    • Official Sites
    • Distributors
    • Production Companies
  • Major Credits (3 items required)
    • Cast
    • Writers
    • Producers
    • Composers
    • Cinematographers
    • Editors

OK?
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I recommend against checking off the "Provide explanation" box, unless not enough information is available to fill in the fields that require input.
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I did all these and provided explanation as well.
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Hi, meka. Does the reference number 180916-211028-098000 represent a saved submission form (created via the "Save for later" button) or is it an actual submission (created via the "Submit these updates" button)? The IMDb site authorities would know, but non-staff besides the submitter would not be able to tell.
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Hi Jeorj it's an actual submission
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Meka: Please post your last full data submission here on this message board. You can copy it out of the receipt you would have received from IMDb by e-mail immediately after sending it in. Some of the regulars on the board may review it and, if they can, they may provide suggestions as to how to improve the submission to get it included in the database.
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Added the full summary
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Here's a full summary of last submission:

Full Summary
  • Freedom Fighters: The Ray (2018) (TV)
    • New Title - Add
      • Plain Title: Freedom Fighters: The Ray
        Type: tv
        Sub-Type: movie
        Status: released
        Year: 2018
        Source: ...none of the above

    • Release Dates - Add
      • Country: USA
        Date: 28 August 2018

    • Miscellaneous Link - Add
    • Country of Origin - Add
      • USA

    • Languages - Add
      • English

    • Color / Black & White - Add
      • Color

    • Genres - Add
      • Animation

    • Directors - Add
      • Name: Spaulding, Ethan

    • Production Companies - Add
      • Company: Berlanti Productions [us]

      • Company: Blue Ribbon Content [us]

      • Company: DC Entertainment [us]

    • Cast - Add
      • Name: Tovey, Russell
        Character: The Ray

      • Name: Mitchell, Jason (XVI)
        Character: Black Condor

      • Name: Benoist, Melissa
        Character: Overgirl

      • Name: Valdes, Carlos (II)
        Character: Cisco Ramon

      • Name: Whyte, Scott (I)
        Character: Blitzkrieg

    • Writers - Add
      • Name: Certo, Lauren

      • Name: Guggenheim, Marc

      • Name: Hernandez, Sarah (III)

      • Name: Kim, Elizabeth (VII)

      • Name: Ortega Aldrich, Emilio

    • Producers - Add
      • Name: Geda, Curt
        Occupation: producer

    • Composers - Add
      • Name: Chan, Daniel James

    • Editors - Add
      • Name: Stafford, Kyle

    • Running Times - Add
      • Time: 73



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anyone?
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Well, meka, there was another reply, but it was deleted for some reason.
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Oh, I didn't notice it but checked my mail now, well, what was said in that answer is not correct so maybe that's why user deleted it afterwards.
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Type: tv...... Change to "Movie"
Sub-Type: movie.......Change to "Blu-Ray"
Question. Has the yellow shading ever gone to a green shade?
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Need a link to distibution DC Comics? No listing

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Need official site reference Its missing.
Can you tell us what it is please?
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https://www.dccomics.com/tv/freedom-fighters-the-ray-2017-present

There is only this. There is nothing I can find on the website that refers to the DVD Blu Ray etc.

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What did you use for official Website?

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meka,

The page link you provided indicates the title was released on BluRay. The title type should be Made for Video, not Made for TV. This may be one reason why the submission was rejected.

Another possible reason for the rejection is that the TV series has the same title but a different release year. 

"Freedom Fighters: The Ray" (2017)

I'm wondering if you acknowledged the yellow warning message, which lists the same or similar titles stored in the IMDb? If you have not done so, click the checkbox to the left of the following statement at the bottom of the list:

This is not an existing title.

Considering the BluRay release combines all of the episodes from the web series into one movie, IMDb reps may have rejected the title. In this particular case, the BluRay release information could be added to the TV series title page.

Distributor: Warner Brothers [us] Year (2018) BluRay 

On another matter, for an animated feature, the term (voice) should be added in the Attribute section for the cast.  

I hope this may help to explain why the title may have been rejected. Please wait for a response from an IMDb representative on this matter. 

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Hi, at first attempts I was checking "Made for Video" like you said but after it was constantly rejected I changed it to Made for TV because its sister series Vixen's movie (which is released exactly how this one is released and it has its own movie page) is registered as Made for TV.

Yes I clicked "This is not an existing title" and provided explanation as well why it should have its own movie page.
It should have its own page because its sister series and movie Vixen has exact same release scheme and its Bluray release has its own movie page. So Freedom Fighters should have it as well.

Oh I didn't add the term (voice) to the cast. Maybe that's the reason. Thanks for point that.
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Need a link to distibution DC Comics? No listing

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Since this is a new title contribution, you may use the "Track Contribution" button in your Contribution History at https://contribute.imdb.com/updates/history/ to see its status. 

Please also see https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/contribution-information/when-will-my-update-be-added/GEK...
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Hi, Col Needham. Thanks. However, unless the submission is pending review, it seems as though the creator of this topic already made use of the features you've referenced.
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In a world where this garbage spam entries are easily accepted, now they reject my valid submission with other reasons like not eligible, not enough evidence etc.. Every time a different reason, every time I explain why it should be added, they come up with another reason...
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This is the 2017 listing. It has 2018 in it also.

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Hi Meka -

I was able to review the most recent New Title submissions for "Freedom Fighters: The Ray", and noted that based on the information provided within the title form our editors were unable to accept the title due to not meeting our current eligibility criteria.

If you have further online evidence to help verify your title's eligibility, please include this information within the title form, re-submit the title and our editors will take another look.
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I provided more than enough evidence already. You just don't accept it. Besides simple fact that Vixen: The Movie has its own movie page seperate from series, grants Freedom Fighters: The Ray its own movie page because they are released exactly same way. There is not a single difference between them regarding their release schemes. So if Vixen's bluray release has its own movie page, Freedom Fighters: The Ray should have it as well because again: they are released exactly the same way.

So again: If Vixen: The Movie meets your precious eligibility criteria that somehow so tolerant to garbage spam entries but intolerant to valid entries, then Freedom Fighters: The Ray meets your eligibility criteria too. There is no other way. Because they are released exactly same way. If Vixen meets it, Freedom Fighters meets it too. So you're wrong by saying it doesn't meet your eligibility criteria.



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I'm not an Employee. I'm very good at getting titles submitted and approved. I'm trying to get the info so as to get this through! I have found it is better to do this in a two part fashion. Basic title info first. Cast and crew Second. Please let me have a stab at it for you. If you don't want my help that's OK too. Cheers
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@CliffJ Sure please I would love help from an experienced user. I just tried to fill as much as possible to have a chance to get it approved but if you say otherwise is better can you please try also? Thanks in advance.

You can use these links as evidence btw:
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/freedom-fighters-ray-bluray-release-date-announced/
https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Fighters-Ray-MFV-Blu-ray/dp/B078FFX8JG
https://www.comicmix.com/2018/06/07/freedom-fighters-the-ray-goes-from-cw-seed-to-disc-in-august/
https://www.thehdroom.com/bluray/freedom-fighters-the-ray-blu-ray-dvd-and-digital-release-date-and-d...




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I know what the problem is.
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@CliffJ What is it?
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I have never been able to get a title approved without an "Official" Website URL. Its dead in the water without it.

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You have one for the TV Show. Why is there not one for the Movie? If you submit the TV Website it will be rejected. They will consider it a Duplicate title. If You had Titled It differently it would help greatly. But it's too late for that. Star Trek: The Motion Picture for example. 2009's Star Trek had its own web page 2 years before it was released.
Not having an Official page is unusual.
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I tried to find your Official site but could not. I assume there is not one? Make a Facebook Page. That's the easiest.
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@CliffJ I'm just a obsessed DC fan, nothing more :)
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https://www.shopdcentertainment.com/products/freedom-fighters-the-ray-bd
It might fly. With this get satisfaction link also. The facebook page would meet their criteria. This is grey area. But it is A DC Page which is good. Do the Facebook anyway its Simple. I will submit the DC Shopping one. That is if it will go green. will be busy  for about 5-10 minutes
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AArgh.
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We will see if this goes.

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Contribution #180919-214802-990000
Let's see if it goes live.
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Thanks for your helps CliffJ appreciated it a lot. Let's see..
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Go find as many posts of mine u can give me a lotta liken!!!  LOL
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Tomorrow they will do, should know Thursday.
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The issue is that of proving that the movie is not identical to the television series, right?
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@Jeorj Euler it can be seen from the bluray promo texts and reviews and descriptions which can be found on the links I provided that movie contains around 15 mins extra scenes and slightly different editing. But I doubt they even read these links before rejecting it. It was the same with Vixen. Vixen had extra 15 minutes as well. As I said it's the exact same thing with Vixen so this should have its own page too.
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I have done this for meka
180919-214802-990000
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2018-09-19 21:48:02

It is a basic data submission for a new title. Not a complete one. That way there is less fore the editors to look at. It is most definitely a stand alone 73 min continuous  Blu ray movie. It is not a release of episodes of the series. The total of 2017 and 2018 episodes of the TV Series is 54 minutes. So as you can see it is indeed a stand alone title.

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Hi CliffJ -

Our editors reviewed your submission, however, based on the evidence provided this new title is not eligible as a standalone title, instead it will need to be listed as a re-release of the existing series "Freedom Fighters: The Ray".
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OK I'll Redo
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Answer me one question please Michelle : Why Vixen's blu-ray release has its own movie page then? There's not a single difference between Vixen's releases and Freedom Fighter's releases. Just answer this question please.
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Hi meka -

To be eligible for a separate title listing from the primary series, there must be substantial differences between the original content and the new content (which we identified in the "Vixen" titles), which our editors review on a case-by-case basis.  In this case, we couldn't identify any substantial differences that make the new title eligible to be listed as a separate title, so you will need to submit anew release date to the existing series title page with the attribute DVD release to recordthe release of the new title.
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meka, the situation with Vixen: The Movie is actually different then just being re-release: it is a television movie re-edit of the web-series, which contains additional scenes (a whole subplot). It is not just a blu-ray release. 

Are you sure that Freedom Fighters: The Ray was given that treatment? I keep close eye on all the CW Arrowverse shows and I haven't heard about this one re-edited as a movie. Constantine: City of Demons was announced for a movie re-release recently, but with fewer details attached. 
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Dear Nikolay Yeriomin and Michelle

Yes, Freedom Fighters is given that treatment as well, that's what I'm trying to tell the whole time. It has slightly different editing and it has at least 10 minutes additional scenes.

Now let me lay out runtimes here, and you decide:

2 seasons of Freedom Fighters has total 65 minutes runtime, and that includes opening sequence and ending credits for each episode.

Now blu-ray release of Freedom Fighters has 73 minutes runtime. And it has only 1 ending credits and it's not more than 3 minutes and opening sequence is less than 1 minutes and it's different than web releases.

That means at the very least 10 minutes additional scenes.

I'm telling all you guys since the beginning, it's same as Vixen: The Movie and it should have its own movie page.

Now can any of you experienced guys use that info I provided and send a movie title request to IMDB please?






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If so I'd say it should have been stated clearly in the submission: "Edited from:" in "Movie Connections" with explanations akin to "Expanded movie version of web-series with new scenes"; proof links in Miscellaneous Links, external videos... I mean, I usually try to find as much as I could and fill as much fields as I could if I'm adding a new title. 
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meka
Was waiting for your reply to Michele. Do you want me to re-do? Or do you want to?
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Can you look at the comment I wrote above please CliffJ ?
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I read it. I made my case exactly the same way you described. If you want it in it has to be their way. We both have tried. Mine was not instantly rejected. It took two days. You keep at it and see if you can get a reply back from Michele. What you would need to prove your point before you reach out again to Michele are reviews that "MAKE" your argument valid. When you have those URL's to reviews on the Web i will resubmit for you if you like. You do the research, I don't have that much time with all the things I do. Bye for now. Cheers.
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This Mayuto Correa , my URL is  https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3322822/ - today's date is Nov. 21, 2018. I want to know what is happening to my submission of my new title 'Mr. Green The Super Hero.'  Submission date: 11/20/18 : I followed the process to add the title of the video and 4 other credits - after checking and seeing that everything was  correct I got the complete green page on all items (GREEN), I clicked on to send it in and I  got no  answer of any kind . I've done this before and I know what should have happened, it didn't happen. You can contact me direct if you want. Thank you,
Mayuto Correa - mayuto@sbcglobal.net
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Where is the answer? I never saw it!!!!!
mayuto@sbcglobal.net