Why All The Uncredited Credit Changes? I did the jobs I deserve the credit on IMDB!

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How can you prove you actually were given credit on a TV show, when most TV shows don't even roll the credits after the show? I have recently had a huge amount of my television credits changed to uncredited and when this happened it also took the credits off the series credits pages for each show! I have been uncredited for more than 30 jobs and this has really hurt my IMDB page! :(. What can be done to fix this? I feel like IMDB is demoting me and every uncredited credit is like a slap in the face! I did the work, a lot of it And I feel I deserve the credit on IMDB, what's the problem?
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If you can get a hold of a copy of the shows, showing the credit on screen, you can submit a request to edit the listings and include a screen grab on the data verification form http://www.imdb.com/helpdesk/data_ver.... If the credit never appeared on screen, it's by definition, "uncredited" and an "uncredited" attribute should stand.

IMDb makes no determination of who might be "deserving" or not. They document on screen credits.
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You did not answer my original question......'How can you prove you were given credit on a TV show, when most TV shows don't even roll credits at the end!?'

And having to go back to production companies to get proof of credit for over 30 credits is way more work than one should have to try and accomplish! I'm busy enough training and working hard to find my next job!

This system of uncrediting people, to me, just seems like a big slap in the face!!
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Yes. I know how the business works (and can understand English language terminology). You name appearing in on screen credits equals "credited." Doing the work but not appearing in on screen credits equals "uncredited." If you feel you should be credited, take it up with your employers...not IMDb staff. It's not their call.
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I've seen a lot of people credit themselves wen they weren't even used in the scene . They were sent back to holding . That's falsify information.. Yet they have the credit . It's beyond me and very unfair !!!
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Are you seriously suggesting that because there are errors elsewhere, more should be made? That makes no sense. If you know of something needing correcting, you could report it to see if it can be corrected.
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I did , honestly they were no help . I just know it was done deliberately. Trust me . Someone I often work with but wasn't picked by director has the credit and I was used not them . . Welcome to Hollywood right? Lol .
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Can you start a new thread and explain your issue to see if it can be resolved? Add links to pages involved and and explain what happened. Just saying you should have things listed because someone else did won't help anything (nor does saying something needs to be corrected without specifying what).

Also, you can upload images that will help verify what you're submitting. It would help greatly. If you're situation is the same as the OP's in that there was no on screen credit, you could post images of you appearing, easily recognizable, on screen.

See: I appeared in a film but my name is not in the credits. Can I be added to IMDb?
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The IMDb defines "uncredited" as not being listed in the onscreen credits - it has nothing to do with whether or not you did any work.

Having the production company provide evidence that you worked on the show will not change the fact that your name wasn't in the onscreen credits, and won't change the IMDb's "uncredited" notation.
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Yes, agreed, but when imdb uncredited some of my credits it also took my credits off the 'series' credits. It seems to only show 'credited' credits in the series credits. So, if someone just goes to the main page of a TV show and scrolls through cast & crew to see what stunt people have worked on that show, it will only show the people that were credited! Example......I was Jessica Langes stunt double for seven episodes, but 5 are uncredited. So, if someone goes to the main cast & crew page and scrolls down it shows that I only doubled her for two episodes! The only way they would know I did more was if the went to the exact episodes I worked on or if they went to my own page.

My original question has still not been answer, which is.........How do you prove you we're actually given credit if most TV shows don't even roll the credits at the end of the show. Or it's cut out or rolling too fast!? I'm not sure I trust that all the shows that are listed uncredited are uncredited! I had my Buffy episodes listed as credited for years before many of them were changed to uncredited.

Thanks for your help!
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Ms. McCormick:

If you worked on a show but your name does not appear in the main or end titles of the episode, then you are by definition 'uncredited'.

Please see http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?un... for more information about IMDb's policy about uncredited work.
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Yes, I understand this, but when imdb uncredited some of my credits it also took my credits off the 'series' credits. It seems to only show 'credited' credits in the series credits. So, if someone just goes to the main page of a TV show and scrolls through cast & crew to see what stunt people have worked on that show, it will only show the people that were credited! Example......I was Jessica Langes stunt double for seven episodes, but 5 are uncredited. So, if someone goes to the main cast & crew page and scrolls down it shows that I only doubled her for two episodes! The only way they would know I did more was if the went to the exact episodes I worked on or if they went to my own page.

My original question has still not been answer, which is.........How do you prove you we're actually given credit if most TV shows don't even roll the credits at the end of the show. Or it's cut out or rolling too fast!? I'm not sure I trust that all the shows that are listed uncredited are uncredited! I had my Buffy episodes listed as credited for years before many of them were changed to uncredited.

Thanks for your help!
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The way you'd normally prove it would be a picture of your name appearing in on screen credits.

Is this regarding American Horror Story? You're listed in IMDb for ep 10, Smoldering Children and I just checked the credits. They appeared, slowly (or I could pause), and in full, and I do not see your name (and I do see the section with stunt crew, though it's just a few names, so they did not credit everyone). List any other episodes you'd like me to check and I can check them later if Amazon has them.

With regard to that episode, you're listed properly.

S1, ep. 4 Halloween Pt. 1 - uncredited
S1, ep. 9 Spooky Little Girl - uncredited
S1, ep. 10 Smoldering Children -uncredited
S2, ep. 1 Welcome To Briarcliff - uncredited
S2, ep. 8 Unholy Night - uncredited

Those seem to be the five for which "uncredited" was added and the addition of the attribute was correct.

Interestingly, the other two episodes listed on your page, Continuum and Spilt Milk, also do not credit you on screen. So, you should expect to see those get corrected to show "uncredited" as well. For stunts, only the coordinator is named on screeen.
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Yes, I understand this, but when imdb uncredited some of my credits it also took my credits off the 'series' credits. It seems to only show 'credited' credits in the series credits.


The best way to address that concern is to start a new suggestion thread, something along the line of: "Include uncredited roles in series level cast/crew lists". I assume this isn't done to keep the size of the top level of the cast/crew list down to a manageable size, as long-running series could get so long they'd make the page load slowly.

My original question has still not been answer, which is.........How do you prove you we're actually given credit if most TV shows don't even roll the credits at the end of the show.


This has been addressed multiple times - if you aren't on the credits, then you are, according to the official definition, uncredited.

Or it's cut out or rolling too fast!? I'm not sure I trust that all the shows that are listed uncredited are uncredited! I had my Buffy episodes listed as credited for years before many of them were changed to uncredited.


This does make things tricky and might have been what you should have led with - I have seen credits fly by so fast it is almost a blur and I've seen broadcasters squeeze the credits into a sidebar while they advertise some competition or upcoming show (presumably they are contractually obliged to show it, even if it isn't readable - Hell I'm sure I've seen a show overrun and they run the credits down the side of the start of the next one).

The former can usually be fixed by pausing your way through the credits, as they should still be readable even if it was difficult to do on the original broadcast - thanks goodness for home media.

The latter can, presumably be addressed by getting the credits from a home media release, which will preserve the credits as originally intended and would (I assume) be fine for demonstrating you got a credit.

After all, someone has clearly been through and "corrected" the Buffy credits, so was, presumably using a home taping (like anyone uses tape any more), home media release or some kind of streaming service.

As I assume this is you:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1117813/

I'll look over the Buffy credits for the episodes you were in and see what I can dig up (they all seem to be available to stream through my LoveFilm subscription, so it is no hassle).
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I'll look over the Buffy credits for the episodes you were in and see what I can dig up (they all seem to be available to stream through my LoveFilm subscription, so it is no hassle).


OK done. The Buffy credits aren't that long (so I doubt I've missed anything - I watched the title credits too, although they are pretty limited to key personel) and do pick up pace towards the end (they are done in 30 seconds), but the credits don't scroll passed so there is no blurring and they aren't subliminally fast so pausing it was sufficient to get the screenshots, as follows:

Selfless:

Only one stunt credit, for the stunt coordinator



Bring on the Night:

Ditto



Get it Done:

Ditto



End of Days:

Ditto



Chosen:

Ditto



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So, you are legitimately listed as "uncredited" and should have been listed as such from the start - sorry for it not being properly listed, which is what misled you.

The only solution is:

* The suggestion I suggested above about listing uncredited cast and crew on the top level of a TV series, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

* Make sure your future contracts include the stipulation that you should get a credit - speak to your agent on this one.

Sorry I couldn't provide anything that would get you your credits back, but that is the situation as i stands, at least with regard to the Buffy credits. However, it does explain those changes in your credits, so it is something you can put behind you.
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For the sake of completeness, you are not credited on either of those Angel episodes:

Time Bomb:



Power Play:



So expect those to be relisted as uncredited when someone works through those credits too.
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I also checked the first 24 episode listed in your main page filmography "Day 6: 1:00 p.m.-2:00 p.m. (2007)" and, again only the stunt coordinator is credited:



All of the above suggests that it isn't common practice for stunt doubles to get credits on TV series and your other TV credits need looking into, especially the 24 credits that haven't been changed to uncredited already:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1117813/fi...
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The best way to address that concern is to start a new suggestion thread, something along the line of: "Include uncredited roles in series level cast/crew lists". I assume this isn't done to keep the size of the top level of the cast/crew list down to a manageable size, as long-running series could get so long they'd make the page load slowly.


Expert contributor MayorDefacto contacts me about this and points out that one of the optional views people use on the site does indeed include uncredited roles:

As for the display situation, I believe it's intentional. There are currently four different title display styles for the consumer site:

1. default view
(e.g. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1844624/)
- only main cast (not sure of the parameters here) displayed1
- only series creators displayed among crew

2. full credits view
(e.g. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1844624/f...)
- cast compiled from all episodes without regard to credited/uncredited status
- credited crew compiled from all episodes, uncredited credits ignored

3. reference view (sitepref: Show reference view)
(e.g. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1844624/r...)
- up to 15 main cast displayed
- only series creators displayed among crew

4. combined credits view (sitepref: Always display full cast and crew credits)
(e.g. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1844624/c...)
- up to 15 main cast displayed
- crew credited or uncredited displayed if they're listed for 2 or more episodes.

#3 & #4 can be selected via site preferences, but once set, accessing the default view requires returning to the preferences page and toggling those selections off. #4 is only two clicks away from the default view page. The variety offered here means users can select whichever view works best for them. I understand that a Pro subscription offers additional options.


So you can change the details you see on the site, this wouldn't effect the default view but, as he says, this is clearly a deliberate decision staff have made, so a suggestion is unlikely to be accepted. That shouldn't stop you from doing it but...
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Dear IMDBPRO Editor,
Thank you for your time.  My name is Christina DeRosa and I was credited in the movie, GROUP SEX but listed as uncredited.  Please see the link to my credit in the end titles here,

https://vimeo.com/christinaderosa/groupsex

1234 password, also I was contractually obligated to get a credit as "Lucy"

Credit Issue on Movie, GROUP SEX -See # 130623-025851-224000 https://vimeo.com/christinaderosa/groupsex password 1234

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Christina DeRosa





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The page editors are just page editors.  There is no difference when adding data, between Pro and Non...it's the same data but the view is different whether the user looking at it subscribes to Pro or not.

I am not an editor or employee.  But, I'd recommend starting a new topic instead of adding to this 8 month old, already resolved, topic that has nothing to do with your specific issue. You'll get noticed easier by starting a topic of your own.

it would probably be better to add a plain screen capture of the credit too, along with that subscription ID number you posted and staff can check on the status of your submission and add the screen capture as proof and it should get  fixed for you.

Good luck.

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Hi, I was told and guided through the process by Erika Benites the Imdb Editor during a Thriving Artist Circle Call. I will also take your advice too and start a new post, thank you so much for your guidance
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I doubt she advised you to connect your comment to more than one old, resolved subject  where it's less likely to be seen by staff and probably meant to post about your own issue.

You're welcome.