Stopping abuse of Copyright.

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Lately certain users have been making the popular feed for images that they clearly did not take and quite possibly do not even have the rights to distribute. My idea would be a report function that after a certain amount of reports disables the users ability to grab photos from their photo albums on the iphone - meaning that all shots have to come from the camera as well as alerting the instagram team for final decision on whether or not the image should be deleted.
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i totally like this idea! I am not a professional photographer by any means, but I have had my pictures stolen off of another website in the past. I was so angry. And I am a very mellow person by nature :) I can't imagine how a real artist would feel. It is just wrong.
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totally agree, in flickr is easy to find copies, but here seems anybody can download a good photo that he don't make and apply effect and destroy the original work and time of the photographer.

WE NEED COPYRIGHT AND ABUSE REPORT.
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I come at this problem from a different direction, but agree something needs to be done. Not knowing if the photographer is the originator is starting to dampen my enthusiasm for the app. Who do I give credit when I like a photo? Also, I no longer believe anybody's photos reflect the world they are seeing at that moment. I'm thinking the problem is the access to the camera roll. Add hi-res photos and remove the camera roll posting feature and you'll return the community back to the creative roots it launched with. It will unfortunately remove titlshift pics and other pics shot with cool iPhone apps or SLR cameras, but it will also prevent people from raiding Flickr and Picasa.
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Agreed. I liked the idea of being able to access the camera roll as I had a few images of my baby cousin (she's back in Argentina now) from this past Labor Day weekend that I wanted to upload (but had already taken), but it's to the point now where I don't believe that many of the photos that I'm seeing have either been taken in the iPhone 4, or were even taken at the time they were posted.

The photos that I've uploaded thus far have all (save for two of my cousin) taken within minutes of me having uploaded them to the program but I've seen quite a few that CLEARLY haven't been taken in the app and that really starts to ruin the experience.

There was one image of a guy playing a guitar that WAAAAAY too much DOF to be taken on the iPhone 4. It was painfully obvious. It was in the popular feed though, and it was garnering tons of praise. It was a nice photograph of course, but this program is for taking and sharing images taken on the iPhone 4. It was supposed to be like Hipstamatic with infinitely better sharing options.
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I guess I missed where this was supposed to be just for iPhone 4 images? I'm sure some people would prefer that and others wouldn't. I post a healthy mix of both. I post what I take on my phone and I re-mix photos I have taken with my regular cams. For me, it's a fast & enjoyable way of sharing your images ... indulging in creative spirit and socializing with like minded folks.
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I totally agree with Chrysti here.
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I agree if Instagram added proper saving of EXIF data TO the camera roll. If this would be implemented i could live without grabbing images FROM camera roll.
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an interesting approach to this would be to ban any photos that don't claim (inside the metadata) to have been taken by an iPhone
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Yeah, I was wondering if this was possible. I think it'd also be a good idea to (if they don't ban them) at least tell us what device was used to take the image when we select it in our feed. But banning those images that weren't taken in the iPhone might be a better option.

We DEFINITELY need to know both what filters were used (just out of curiousity) and if the metadata allows it, what device was used to take the photo.

My question though is, when are ANY new features being rolled out?
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I think that this would be the way to go, great idea there.
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That's the way to go! If it's not taken by an iPhone/iPod don't upload it.
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Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the discussion on this topic -- we've been thinking a lot about these issues, too, and it helps to read all of your perspectives. In the next release of Instagram, there will be an option to flag photos for review -- this should help us keep tabs on and remove any copyrighted photos uploaded to Instagram.

Please keep the discussion going re: uploading photos from the camera roll. It will certainly help inform our decisions moving forward.
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Good to hear Josh, thanks mate.
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For clarification, are you talking about flagging the photo if you suspect it is copyright abuse or if it is taken with something other than the Iphone?
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Flagging the photo if you suspect it is copyright abuse.
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I think that is a great idea :)
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I couldn't afford an iPhone until last week (and I still question whether I can afford it!). Only allowing photos taken on the iPhone is super-elitist! What about the Blackberry users out there? or the folks who will be using future versions of Instagram on their computers using their regular cameras?

It would make more sense to add an easy way, when sharing a photo, to answer the question "Did you take this photo or not?" and if not, to say where you got it. This would also allow people to share great photos their friends take--like a re-tweet--and give proper credit.
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I think one thing that could help would be the ability to alert somebody if you have replied to a comment they have made on one of your pictures...that way if you ask someone for info about what app they used or if their photo came from their camera roll, or where the photo was taken, you would get an alert when they reply. As it is now, if I ask somebody a question like that, I have no way of knowing if they ever answer....unless they bother to find my stream and post a comment there....and so far that has never happened.
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Wouldn't the EXIF data tell you what device was used to take a picture? This seems like the best way to do it.

I still feel like the use of images from the Camera Roll needs to go.
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@samdavis yes, it would, but I still like the idea of being able to have a conversation over pics at times and not just hit the like button and go on.....
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Oh for sure. Nothing wrong with a discussion. I guess I was just speaking more about how to deter people from sprucing up images that either don't belong to them, or have been taken with another camera.

But no, I totally agree that being alerted to someone replying to a comment of yours would be a welcome addition.
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I would just hate to see Instagram limiting the photos...that's all. I think it is a great photo sharing app. There are some great high quality pics on there. Yes, some are taken with cameras other than the Iphone or spruced up with other apps. But a great picture is a great picture...doesn't always matter what you use. If members want to be Iphone purists, then avoid those pics or members that post pics that were not used just by Instagram.

If people are limited to only share what they see at the moment, I fear that Instagram may go the way of Photoswap. Please don't let that happen to Instagram.
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I totally agree.

I see a few flaws with limiting the app. I don't want to flood my stream with 100 images taken in a few minutes time. I don't want to spend significant time while out uploading, commenting etc. When using my iPhone camera, I prefer to take my shots, edit them as I please and upload them in a manner that isn't obnoxious to those following me - and as I have time.

I like the option of posting images I have taken from cameras that aren't my iPhone. Long before instagram, I enjoyed remixing those on the phone - it's a fast & satisfying way of indulging my creative spirit. To take that away would be a shame.

Perhaps finding the happy medium is the best solution. Labeling what is a mobile cam pic, and what isn't. What is a montage & what isn't. Not sure how easily that can be done, or how necessary it is... but at the least it seems like a few folks prefer that.
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Sorry, but i don't agree. Instagram gives you a camera app and a bunch of filters. So Instagram should be about what can be done with the given tools. If you want to share pics, use Flickr, etc... If you want to share pics from iPhone/iPod use Instagram...
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I think an abuse/report button is much needed.

But please don't limit the app to just iPhone photos. The iPhone camera isn't my number one choice of camera and i love seeing my Canon photos with the Earlybird filter " 612 - gives them a lovely feeling. And they remind me of those old viewmaster toys.

The quality of photos is getting better by the day.
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totally agree.. my ipod touch camera is horrible and from time to time I like to import photos from my Canon to post to instagram, so limiting the camera roll posting is not the way to go for people like us that like to take photos with another camera.

Thanks!
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Only I thought this app was supposed to be like Hipstamatic but with better sharing options. If that's the case, just download and use the Flickr app.

It's a bit annoying seeing images with massive depth of field being pushed to the top over actual iPhone 4 photographs.

I feel like it'd be cooler to actually document your life in a way as it happens. Maybe you don't upload the images right away, but at least you know it's something of a "I was/am here taking this photograph with my phone. Check out what I'm looking at."
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Well, yes, i see what you're saying. And in my case it happens like this, i take the pictures in my daily routine with my blackberry, when I sync to my pc it goes to my ipod touch and then I post them. So if you limit the app to only iphone camera, a lot of users like me, or the ones with an ipad, or previous gen ipod touch will be left out.
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"I feel like it'd be cooler to actually document your life in a way as it happens."

I think this would be a major step back for this very fast moving app. I'd hate to see it flooded with mundane pictures of peoples dinner and random off the cuff stuff.
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Instagram just posted info about a photo contest they they're running with a company called Photojojo. Here's how they describe the app:

"We’ll never stop loving our DSLR, polaroids, or film cams.

But it's our camera phone that's always with us. Like when we spotted a pug trotting down the street sporting goggles or that guy unicycling up the steepest hill of all time.

Enter Instagram.

Not just another camera app or more filters for your pix. Instagram is THE way to share the fleeting moments of your life.

What makes it different? It’s simple and fast. Take a photo, choose a filter (optional), you’re done. It uploads automatically.

Or tap the feed and see all your friends’ everyday lives through their eyes in about 20 seconds. The lack of editing + the immediacy of phone photography makes the experience raw, addicting, and kind of magical. In short, Instagram is what the camera phone was made for."

So I take it that more than a few people here disagree with this?

I'm almost certain that Instagram promoted the app in this manner as well. Not as an "take a photo with a super high quality camera and then throw a filter on it" app.
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Once you take away the camera roll option this app becomes a bigger stomping ground for photos of pets and boring, mundane crap, more than it is now. This app this worthy of much, much better - why should it become a xerox of people saying "i'm having dinner" like Facebook..... this is why we have twitter and facebook already. People still post their iPhone photos to Flickr... so why shouldn't we post our DSLR photos here?

Sure, Sam, we all want to capture the transvestive bag lady kissing a poodle that we passed on the street but the fact is only 1% of this community will really see something so utterly off the wall. It aint gonna work.
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Thanks for the ridiculously "out the pocket" example. I certainly don't wanna capture any crap like that. If I saw it, and wanted to share it for whatever reason, I'd share it via an email or something like Twitter. I honestly wouldn't want something like that associated with my feed. I don't know how large the userbase is for this program at this point, but it sounds like you're underestimating them a bit.

I really don't think that the Popular feed (which is all we can use at the moment to follow other people), is gonna be flooded with pictures of dinner. People, I would hope, simply wouldn't "Like" said image and thus it'll stay off of everyone's radar. Take a picture of a McDonald's hamburger, post it on Instagram, nobody cares to see it, nobody promotes it, nobody ever sees it.

At the VERY least then (unless it's possible to doctor the EXIF data of a photo) ONLY allow those photos that've been taken with an iPhone.

Flickr is for all types of photos, this app, much like Hipstamatic, has been touted as one that can help turn your iPhone camera into something more.

Why not just post your DSLR photos on Flickr as well and leave them there?

To be honest I don't even see, judging from the Popular feed, how the app is even a little bit of a stomping ground for pet pics right now. I've seen tons of breathtaking photos in the Pop feed thus far and one user in particular claims that they've all been taken at some point with AN iPhone. If we can't remove the ability to use the Camera Roll, then at least make sure that we ONLY allow photos taken with an iPhone.

As someone said earlier in this thread (I think) it immediately knocked my enthusiasm for the app down a notch when I realized that a good number of these images aren't even taken with the phone. Which is what the app is supposed to be for.
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Wow! The conversation is getting kind of harsh. So let's keep it civil please. The original post was about abusing copyrights anyhow :) That's the real issue. How do we get people to be honest in their postings? That in itself will be hard enough.

I think it is going to be hard to "police" pictures to be Iphone only, for one thing. And if you look at some of the other discussions in the forum, it seems like other phone types are wanting in on the fun.

And really, I have seen several apps that were to be "phone camera-what-you-see-now" type apps that turned really ugly really fast. So I am afraid, samdavis, that Craig's comment was not so ridiculous, perhaps just more informed.

I appreciate any good picture, no matter where it comes from. The best camera is the one in your hand at the moment. I use a variety of cameras and phones. There really is so much more to a photograph than the type of camera used to capture the picture. Let's not lose sight of that.
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I didn't say that his entire statement was ridiculous (even though I don't agree with it), but the "tranny bag lady" WAS ridiculous and uncalled for and not at all the sort of content that I think would dominate the app should restrictions be made. I simply don't see the app going down that route.
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Copyright is copyright and those ignoring the implications of posting others works deserve to be kicked off the system.

Thats a very different argument though to saying that all DSLR images should be disallowed. That seems crazy to me (and yes I publish photos from both iphone and dslr and others, and I'm upfront about it) I've got loads of followers that are fully aware I use a multitude of cameras to take my pictures - judging by the likes they seem very happy with that situation. Likewise I follow loads of people that may or maynot use other cameras but that doesn't bother me I just judge all the images on how much I like them. I don't like anyones photos 'more' because I know they were taken with the iphone any more than I like an image 'less' because it was taken on some other camera. When I look at a painting, I don't judge it by the equipment used, I don't like it more if I know the artist painted it with their fingers rather than using a brush. I simply judge it by if I like it or not. I use Instagram in exactly the same way.

I've ran internet forums for years and I know how many people can post statements claiming they talk for the 'masses' when actually they have no hard facts for the numbers at all. There is a big difference between 'the majority' and 'several vocal users' - even if this number runs into the 100's or 1000's (which I've seen no evidence for these numbers) the userbase of Instgram now must be approaching half a million. (They did over 100,000 in their first week)

Basically give the viewer the option to filter what they want to see, and let publishers publish what they want. How can than not please everyone?
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