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Amazon Echo support

Any plans to support the Amazon Echo?
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    what do you want irule to do with the echo ?

    you would be better looking down the path of the echo sending the commands directly to your global cache gateways.
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  • Echo has an open API

    Irule can create the ability to add a mic in irule to talk to the echo

    They can create a module to enable echo to communicate to the irule activities. Etc
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  • Alexa, DirecTv Guide
    Alexa, DirecTv List
    Alexa, DirecTv Skip 6 ....
    Alexa, Switch to FireTV
    Alexa, Switch to Roku ...
    Alexa, Sony Set Volume to 20

    Thanks
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  • Using Echo to control iRule routines? Perhaps using ifttt?
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    if Alexa, DirecTv Guide
    then http : //192.168.1.2:8080/remote/processKey?key=guide

    Is this doable?
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  • I don't have homeseer software as of yet as Im not sure about its audio/video applications. I currently have:
    iRule with a global cache serial to Oppo BDP105D,
    iRuleIP for Sharp TV
    Global cache IR blaster for Time Warner Cable box and Sony STRDA5300es A/V Receiver.

    I also have a honeywell thermostat with its own app. and a couple of wemo's for kicks.

    All controlled via a couple of iPhones and an iPad.

    I have not invested anymore as I would like to have a seamless home automation experience with a slick UI(such as iRule allows) and not a hodge podge that only the installer(me) can operate. One of the goals would be Zone music automation. I currently use JRiver Media Center(with JRemote) to playback my music library and its WDM driver will streaming spotify(its own app).

    Anyone here have experience with Homeseer and A/V control?
    As for Amazon Echo etc.(I ordered two dots to play around with), I like the idea of voice control, but would also like a physical/ipad etc. interface. Their will be instances I don't want to be having a conversation with "Alexa" whilst watching a movie or listening to music.
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  • like i said before i think you are looking at this wrong.

    You dont really need the Echo to talk to irule and then irule to talk to your devices.

    I would be looking at the Echo talking to your global cache devices via TCP or directly to your Ip controlled gear, Just like irule does when you push a button.

    There is no need for Irule for what you want.

    I dont have an echo but i thought the whole idea was echo is listing all the time, you talk to echo and it does what you want.

    why would you want to push a button in irule and then talk to your echo.
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  • As above:

    if Alexa, DirecTv Guide
    then http : //192.168.1.2:8080/remote/processKey?key=guide

    I don't think anyone wants to push an iRule button to initiate an echo command.

    As, http : //192.168.1.2:8080/remote/processKey?key=guide is the action used to display the guide on DirecTv, the goal would be to not have to decipher and maintain a duplicate list of all the iRule commands already defined in the builder.
    • My thought also. In my mind, iRule in this context would act more like a gateway. Echo constitutes the pushing of the button via iRule.
    • This is the way I see it working also...basically a verbal button push on iRule coming from the Echo.

      I've been using, and been very happy with, iRule for years to control my home theater. Probably the best $100 licensing fee I ever purchased given the functionality and years of service. It was the most flexible solution I could find five or six years ago for getting all the remotes off the coffee table. After getting through the learning curve, I was able to get an old tablet up and running, and I was also able to make it simple enough that the whole family can - and does - use it for controlling the primary home theater. I've made several modifications over the years as my equipment has changed, and what used to take days now takes hours, and what used to take hours now takes minutes.

      Up to now, the Amazon Echo has skills to cover almost all of my home automation wants: alarm.com (including zwave devices), Ring Doorbells, and Ooma. Sonos and iRule are the missing links. If I can confirm that the upcoming Sonos integration with Amazon Echo will allow me access to all my music (Google Play Music, most importantly) and will allow Sonos to become the default output destination for all Echo audio feedback, I'm going to buy an 8-pack of Amazon Echo Dots for strategic placement in my home. If I can't get all of that, I'm going to continue to wait for the next thing (Google Home maybe?). But for now, let's play like the Sonos/Echo integration does satisfy both of those requirements and they do it well.

      Having my home theater hanging outside this bubble of voice controlled automation is unacceptable. No where on these forums can I find any evidence that iRule has plans for any sort of voice control implementation, other than this quote from fours years ago regarding voice control for iOS:

      "This is a great idea and it is on our roadmap. We are looking forward for the ability to fully utilize voice recognition technologies on iOS when they become available"

      Not comforting.

      Sure, there are complicated github hacks I could probably tinker with to achieve what I want, but somewhere in the background, I'd have to have some new software and an always on PC at the least. I'm not a developer...not even in the IT field. Everything I've learned has been through google searches and youtube videos, and it takes me a lot longer to figure out this stuff than many of the experts that post on these forums.

      Not that I relish the thought of another learning curve, but it looks like I'll be making the jump to simplecontrol over the coming months if all the above plays out as I'm hoping. I imagine I'll still keep the iRule home theater tablet / iTach for our continuing every day use, but it's a shame I'm going to have to re-create the countless hours of time I spent creating the perfect sequences and delays on some other platform to achieve voice control. I'm open to any advice others may have, as I'm sure I'm not the first to come this realization.
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  • Looking into it, the difficult part is accessing your local network from the cloud. As iRule processes locally, I don't believe iRule can assist. It looks like Simple Control (Roomie Remote), created their own hub to provide the ability for the remote to utilize the echo as input.
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  • I don't always want to speak commands, iRule integration would allow the option to use irule via smart device and/or alexa voice commands...
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  • I haven't tried this but I suspect it's doable. I have iRule but don't use it that often because it's hard on a Nexus 4 phone - I need to buy a cheap tablet.

    I have been playing around with the Dot recently trying to integrate Insteon switches which are not supported in the version of the Insteon bridge I have.

    It turns out if you run OpenHAB and then the Amazon Echo/Dot gateway
    https://github.com/bwssytems/ha-bridge

    the gateway can fake devices to look like Phillips Hue bulbs with basic on/off/brightness settings. More interestingly though is the command execute when the Echo received Alexa turn on bedroom lamp can actually be a script or program. I currently run a javascript app when a particular lamp is asked to be turned on because the switch (DLINK) has no OpenHAB supports but its command can be accessed via http/HNAP1 via SOAP. The javascript code calls the switch and executes the commands to turn on/off.

    So I would imagine if iRule sequences could be accessed via javascript, then you could get echo support. Alexa turn on home theater could actually fire up a script that invoked all the commands to turn on TV, switch to HDMI, turn on AVR etc.
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  • Old thread... but as long as i am here...

    The Echo requires a secure HTTP server as an endpoint for its responses. I chose to go with a SmartThings hub. Of course you could go with something like a RPi, with a node.js server, get a cert, and open up a port on your router to the outside world, but for 80 bucks (even cheaper on eBay), the SmartThings hub was a much simpler and safer way to go.
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  • I'l wait for Google Home and see where the chips fall.
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  • Gentlemen at iRule. Amazon Alexa integration has been done by your two primary competitors, Simple Control, Anymote, and the new Eddie Voice Remote Beta Skill for Global Cashe. it's not possible to use Alexa by itself directly with the Global Cashe units as there needs to be some sort of web app to configure, setup buttons, give them names, create groupings or macros, etc. Basically what iRule offers.

    The Alexa Skill reads the available buttons, activities, macros, etc. and those become the available voice commands. Essentially Amazon Alexa just operates as a Voice Button. An alternative voice interface to the touchscreen pushbutton interface that you have on a smart phone.

    HAI, Smartthings, WeMo and many others all work with Amazon Alexa, but the need for infrared is what you fill in, also the need for a web app to configure things.

    Mark Felling
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    You have a device that runs Irule and is always on? Irule is used to control things, not a thing to be controlled. You would need an iPad/iPhone that runs 24/7 and does not go to screensaver mode. instead of using echo to send command to Irule and then have Irule process that and then resend the command to your device is just asking for problems and delays. Just use echo to send commands directly to your devices! Instead of asking Irule to create a hack to compensate another company's system you should be asking Amazon to support your devices. Irule and echo are both control systems not systems to be controlled.
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  • Well said James, I was hoping that Google Home would have partnered with Micasaverde for there Vera line but it's not the case as of now. Will see if there are workarounds / hacks that come into play in the months to come.
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    James, I completely understand what you are saying Sir as a technologist. And I understand why. However your reasoning is based on an assumption that is simply incorrect. When one thinks of Amazon Alexa as a device or service that is controlling something, your conclusion makes sense. However I can tell you having dived into Amazon Alexa Skills.

    Think of it this way, you can create an IoT button that sends out a HTTP get request. Alexa substitutes a voice command or even a little bit of two-way conversation for that button. Alexa is a VOICE BUTTON. Compared to your platform or system, Alexa just the Touchscreen. Can the Touchscreen by itself do anything? No it simply provides input. It translates the position of a finger on the screen to some sort of intent. Alexa translates speech into the intent.

    If you think of it as a device or platform that is simply incorrect. For handling Infrared commands with Global Cashe Wi-Fi or Ethernet to Infrared modules as you use, you must have something, some sort of interface that allows one to name devices, buttons, macros or activities, etc. those names of those buttons, activities, devices then become "keyword" variables that Alexa can listen for. Then when hearing the proper combination of words, Alexa pushes that virtual button.

    Your solution is not screen, it is translating intent into action in the simplest, easiest to understand method possible.

    I get the feeling you perceive Alexa as almost competitive, look at all of your true competitors and how they are embracing this. The popularity says that the end-users Spoke, the market as always wanted easier ways of interfacing with technology and environment, our homes. That's why your company exists. Embrace a new method of that person communicating their intent and help them accomplish what they intend!
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  • After a bit of research. It looks as most all of echo integrations invlolve a hub of some sort. Irule has no hub. At the rate of which echo is evolving there will be much better solutions becoming avail. I use isy994i for my smart home and with the network add on I can control everything in my house. Echo will interface with the isy944i and should be able to send any ir command that is currently programmed into it. That was my point is that Irule sends commands to my isy hub as does echo. They both simply send commands. If Irule used a hub and the handsets relayed through that hub it would make sense to have echo also utilize that hub but Irule is not cloud based or hub based. The handsets are downloaded to each device and used individually.

    I have the echo now and several dots on order that I plan on integrating into my system. But I will not go through Irule as it is only avail when using a handset. I will utilize my isy994i hub for some and the rest will be software I write that will run on my Windows server 24/7 until I get better at coding for the rpi3 I bought.
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  • Setup my isy944i in about 3hrs can now control all my lights, russound/sonos system and livingroom entertainment system using echo. The only thing I don't like is having to say turn on and turn off for all the commands. Works for most but some are weird like skipping a song you have to say Alexa turn on skip or Alexa turn on next. Will work until sonos and echo update to work together.
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