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Bad performance in Android app

Please spend some time improving the android application! How come the iOs app is so far ahead?

The drawers function are a really nice function, but work horrible on android at the moment.
The handles are to small for high res screens.

Please implement ALL the improvments that was made for the iphone app regarding drawers! For exampel the ability to swipe the entire drawer to close it.

Also please add the connection status drawer for gateways.

And the overall smothness/performance need some improvment to make it faster and to improve the overall experience
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  • I had the same problem with my Galaxy Tab which has a single, slow processor. After going to settings and turning off and stopping all the pre-added apps that I never use, and killing unused running crap, the speed of iRule increased dramatically. Hopefully, this may help some others.
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  • Jim,

    That is good advice. Also, as many are aware we have released a new version of the Android app. Make sure your Android app is up to date from the Play store 2.0.6

    Scott
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  • The touch responsiveness doesn't seem to be as good either. I tap something and the screen registers it, but unless I press harder and longer does it actually register.
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  • Which version of the app are you using? Which version of Android are you running?
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  • Please accept my apologies for not getting back to you sooner. This e-mail account is only for configuring iRule. I never expected to get e-mail on this account
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    The tablet I use exclusively for iRule is a Samsung GT-P3113 running Android Version 4.2.2. It is a single core, minimal tablet and is a few years old. IRule version is 4.0.2(2184). IRule will slow down from time to time, and I will clear program cache(s) and try to stop as many unnecessary programs the tablet will let me. Then iRule will run very fast! There is little or no lag moving from screen to screen, connecting to the gateways (3), nor with executing button commands. And I have MANY pages. I believe that rooting the table will allow me more app control, i.e. not having Google and Samsung apps run without being able to eliminate them, but that sounds like too much like work. IRule runs well as is. I feel that basic tablets can be purchased cheaply now, and I like having different tablets for use as separate devices running 1 specific app. I just bought an ASUS quad core tablet and 1200x800 screen for $70 I use it for running Torque only, and kept in the car.

    Having a tablet running iRule only as a remote makes sense. We need a remote to run all the equipment we have to watch TV, and it needs to be left in the family room. We have a TV on the back porch, and a TV in the family room that can be turned to face outside so it can be watched from the patio. There is a surround sound system in the family room, and a surround sound system with subwoofer outside. We also have a Blu-Ray player, and a Windows Media Center computer running My Movies, and all of the equipment is operated by iRule. I program many different remotes for customers, and iRule is the best and least expensive by far. As more and more devices are made that can be controlled by Ethernet, iRule (and a tablet) is the only remote that will continue to work in the future.I only wish someone would make an Android tablet with hard assignable buttons. If you are having troubles with slow operation with iRule, consider having a dedicated tablet as a remote, and turn off all unnecessary apps, and it will be the best remote one can have; at least until something better comes along.
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  • I am running Nexus 7 (2013) tablet. The screen presses just don't seem nearly as responsive as my iPhone, though the icons look like they sense my touch. I usually have to press harder/longer to get it to register the push of the button for the action to kick off.
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  • Also it is a true pain to try and get the drawer to move up from the bottom - it usually brings up a google action rather than the drawer, ultimately popping me out of iRule.
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  • Adam,

    I am using a 2013 Nexus 7 as well. Have you noticed the same un-responsiveness in other apps? I have noticed the touch screen not responding when trying to unlock the device, not just within iRule.

    In terms of the bottom drawer have you tried using a variable to open/close the drawer instead of using the handle?

    Change drawer to pinned with a percentage of 0 as default. Then assign a variable to the percentage field and use a button/gesture to open the drawer to the desired percentage.
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  • >>The touch responsiveness doesn't seem to be as good either. I tap something and the screen registers it, but unless I press harder and longer does it actually register. <<

    Actually, that same issue haunts iRule on our iPads. The screen will display the "glow" around the touched area, and we hear a click, but nothing happens. I suspect that it is an iPad issue -- somehow recognizing the touch but not forwarding that activity to iRule. That suspicion is based on our observation that the fault is much minimized if we use a stylus instead of a fingertip.
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  • @dlandiss

    You are describing the exact problem I am experiencing on my android tablet... I never experience it on my iPhone.
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  • I’m frustrated
    I'm experiencing the same issue. Irule can be slow to respond, hangs, I get the message that irule has stopped working and what do I want to do-wait, restart, send report? It never used to be like only in the last month or 2.
    I tried installing an app that gave me control over what other apps were running or had permission to auto start and reduced the background load but this made no difference. Next I did a factory reset and put the tablet back to as new condition and only installed irule but again this made no difference, still problematic and painful to use.
    Problems include: tap a button and nothing happens or there is a delay of maybe 15 to 20 seconds. tap a button and I get the blue glow and again nothing happens for 15 to 20 seconds, same with swiping to change to a different page = long delay. My Wife has given up and gone back to the collection of remotes as the tablet has become unusable to just too frustrating.
    Hardware: Asus ME302C
    Android Version: 4.3
    Irule version: 4.1.1 (2461)
    No recent changes to my set up have happened recently.

    Question: is there a way to go back and try earlier versions? the problem is only recent and I'd like to be able to find a working version and stick with it.
    Any assistance or suggestions would be appreciated.
    Thanks
    DR
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  • Just got to see your post. I am somewhat confused about your issues. The only tablet I use for iRule is an older Samsung GT-P3113 Running Android version 4.2.2. I have an Asus tablet that I paid $70 new that runs only Torq, and it is left in the car, so I do not really know how iRule runs on it. But a solution for you may be obtainable with some though, and answers to some basic questions to establish where the problem really is.
    2 places to start looking for problems are:
    1. the device itself
    2. your network

    Starting with the device: does any program run well on the tablet? If so, are any programs that run well use a network connection? (this really leads to number 2 on the list). I have little experience with tablets, but I can't imagine having trouble with iRule and not other programs.
    Have you gone to Settings - Application Manager, the scroll over to Running? from there you can go to each running program then stop and clear memory for any unnecessary programs. This is what works for my Samsung. Unfortunately, you will need to repeat the process from time to time as Asus tablets are filled with preloaded programs, aka crap, that cannot be uninstalled, and are, by far, unnecessary for you. The Asus tablet in my car runs well but I do not need data connection to run Torq so I have no idea if it will run the same as yours if I loaded iRule. I would not be surprised if it did.

    Do you turn off the tablet when not in use? That is, do you power it down? if so, restarting it will reload all the unnecessary preloaded programs, and all of them, including Google itself, will try and see if there are updates available. This will tie up processing power, and network bandwidth at the tablet, causing any program you are trying to use to run slow.

    If all programs run slow, the tablet may be defective. It is always a possibility that needs looked into.

    Now to the network itself. This is an area that affects everything using it. And often, there are problems occurring here that cannot be easily assessed but commonly occur.
    Are you using a Global Cache IP2IR, WF2IR, or something else?
    Do you use static IP addresses, or DHCP? If using DHCP, what device is dealing out the IP addresses?
    Do you have more than 1 router in your network?
    If you are using any hardwired Ethernet devices? Are you using premade cables? Are the wires neatly run (i.e. no kinks)? Are any next to electrical wires or devices? There are many electrical devices that throw off tons of RF garbage that WILL affect Ethernet cable signal transmissions near them. These questions are just the beginning to find an issue with a wired section of a network. The answers can determine a direction, But that is just for the hardwiring.
    Now to the wireless. What WAP(the wireless connection point connecting wireless devices to hardwire devices) are you using? There are some really lousy wireless WAP/Routers out there. Are you using a wireless router as your WAP? If so, are you connecting the wireless router to the rest of the network by connecting the Ethernet cable from a switch or cable router to the Internet connection on the wireless router? Most people do, and that is where many problems start to occur in their network.

    There are enough questions here to determine a direction to find your problem. I really want iRule to say that many problem I see people having with their program have nothing to do with the program itself. However, I do see that by saying so will cause many to think that iRule is just trying to blame someone else for their problems when often, it really is not their fault, and/or not under their control. I see that the iRule program tries to keep its network connection to the gateways. And if it does not have a connection, any pressed key will act like the program is not responding, when in fact, the program is trying to connect in order to accept a command that it can actually perform, not merely responding with a click.
    Don't get me wrong. iRule does have some issues. but anything else out there that can do as much as iRule costs a fortune. And I guarantee, any program will not work well with a bad network. That is why most are proprietary and unaffected by home networks but limits their capabilities. I see iRule improving all the time, at no cost to the end user. Just wait: soon every device will be able to take operating commands via TCP/IP, eliminating IR. And iRule will be able to control them, again, without cost.

    So, in conclusion, keep working at finding where your problems are. No matter if you keep iRule or not, you will still need to fix them. I am utterly amazed by how well my IRule remote works.
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  • I have the same problem as D R.

    I have come up with a workaround. See the "iRule Android freezing after most recent release"
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  • Thanks RB
    What worked for me in the short term was to uninstall iRule and down grade it to version 'iRule_4.0.3_2248.apk'. This has fixed 98% of the problems. I might try again when they release a newer release.
    DR

    Hi Jim,
    my comments in [BOLD AND BRACKETS, NOT SHOUTING, JUST EASIER TO SEE].

    Starting with the device: does any program run well on the tablet?[OTHERS DID BEFORE I DID A FACTORY RESET AND SINCE THEN THE WEB BROWSER IS THE ONLY THING I'VE USED APART FROM IRULE] If so, are any programs that run well use a network connection? (this really leads to number 2 on the list). I have little experience with tablets, but I can't imagine having trouble with iRule and not other programs.
    Have you gone to Settings - Application Manager, the scroll over to Running? [YES] from there you can go to each running program then stop and clear memory for any unnecessary programs. This is what works for my Samsung. Unfortunately, you will need to repeat the process from time to time as Asus tablets are filled with preloaded programs, aka crap, that cannot be uninstalled, and are, by far, unnecessary for you.[I NOTICED THIS AND IT'S ANNOYING THAT THERE ISN'T AN EASY WAY TO DISABLE THEM FROM AUTOSTARTING OR TO UNINSTALL THEM ALTOGETHER] The Asus tablet in my car runs well but I do not need data connection to run Torq so I have no idea if it will run the same as yours if I loaded iRule. I would not be surprised if it did. [I MIGHT LOOK AT A SAMSUNG NEXT TIME, NOT SURE I COULD BRING MYSELF TO GET AN IPAD, BUT......]

    Do you turn off the tablet when not in use? [NO, IT'S ON AND RUNNING IRULE PRETTY MUCH 24/7] That is, do you power it down? if so, restarting it will reload all the unnecessary preloaded programs, and all of them, including Google itself, will try and see if there are updates available. This will tie up processing power, and network bandwidth at the tablet, causing any program you are trying to use to run slow.

    If all programs run slow, the tablet may be defective. It is always a possibility that needs looked into.

    Now to the network itself. This is an area that affects everything using it. And often, there are problems occurring here that cannot be easily assessed but commonly occur.
    Are you using a Global Cache IP2IR, WF2IR, or something else? [YES, WIRED IP2IR]
    Do you use static IP addresses, or DHCP? If using DHCP, what device is dealing out the IP addresses? [STATIC, I PREFER TO HAND OUT THE ADDRESS AND KNOW WHAT IS WHAT]
    Do you have more than 1 router in your network? [NO]
    If you are using any hardwired Ethernet devices? Are you using premade cables? [NO, BUT I'M AN ELECTRICIAN AND INSTRUMENT TECH, SO THERE IS NO ISSUES HERE] Are the wires neatly run (i.e. no kinks)? Are any next to electrical wires or devices? There are many electrical devices that throw off tons of RF garbage that WILL affect Ethernet cable signal transmissions near them. These questions are just the beginning to find an issue with a wired section of a network. The answers can determine a direction, But that is just for the hardwiring.
    Now to the wireless. What WAP(the wireless connection point connecting wireless devices to hardwire devices) are you using? [THE ROUTER IS A BILLION BiPAC 7800NXL] There are some really lousy wireless WAP/Routers out there. Are you using a wireless router as your WAP? If so, are you connecting the wireless router to the rest of the network by connecting the Ethernet cable from a switch or cable router to the Internet connection on the wireless router? Most people do, and that is where many problems start to occur in their network. [THE ROUTER IS THE WAP, AND THERE IS A WIRED CONNECTION TO A SWITCH WHICH GOES OUT TO SEVERAL ROOMS, NOTHING TOO EXTRAVAGANT]

    There are enough questions here to determine a direction to find your problem. I really want iRule to say that many problem I see people having with their program have nothing to do with the program itself. However, I do see that by saying so will cause many to think that iRule is just trying to blame someone else for their problems when often, it really is not their fault, and/or not under their control. I see that the iRule program tries to keep its network connection to the gateways. And if it does not have a connection, any pressed key will act like the program is not responding, when in fact, the program is trying to connect in order to accept a command that it can actually perform, not merely responding with a click.
    Don't get me wrong. iRule does have some issues. but anything else out there that can do as much as iRule costs a fortune. And I guarantee, any program will not work well with a bad network. That is why most are proprietary and unaffected by home networks but limits their capabilities. I see iRule improving all the time, at no cost to the end user. Just wait: soon every device will be able to take operating commands via TCP/IP, eliminating IR. And iRule will be able to control them, again, without cost.

    So, in conclusion, keep working at finding where your problems are. No matter if you keep iRule or not, you will still need to fix them. I am utterly amazed by how well my IRule remote works. [ SINCE DOWN GRADING TO THE PREVIOUS RELEASE IRULE HAS BEEN WORKING ALMOST 100%, I THINK I NOTICED A DELAY HICCUP THE OTHER DAY, BUT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE MANY ASUS APPS DOING AN UPGRADE (GRUMBLE, GRUMBLE). OVERALL I'M VERY HAPPY WITH IRULE AND SHOW IT OFF WHEN I GET THE CHANCE. I STOPPED LOOKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE ONCE I FOUND IT. I LOVE THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT'S AVAILABLE AND THE AMOUNT OF DEVICES YOU CAN CONTROL. THE IP2IR IS A BRILLIANT PIECE OF KIT ALSO. I NEVER KNEW HALF OF THIS STUFF EXISTED UNTIL I BIT THE BULLET AND BOUGHT THE TABLET AND IP2IR., HOPEFULLY THIS BUG WILL GET FLUSHED OUT IN FUTURE RELEASES. CHEERS AND THANKS FOR YOU LONG ANSWER/SUGGESTIONS. DR]
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  • I’m sad
    I also have this problem now a long time.
    I have 2 P3110 7" tabs and irule have been working great and fast a couple of years until updated to newer versions.
    It is really hardly usable now and me and my girlfriend are quite disappointed. I have been waiting and waiting for updates that fixes this, but not yet..
    I think ill just downgrade, but kinda dissapointing for future and if i need to find some other control system. I really don't, but it is not working well.
    Sometimes it can take 20sek for my system with the globalcache gc100 to respond.
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  • Thanks for this thread! This is also what worked for me.
    "What worked for me in the short term was to uninstall iRule and down grade it to version 'iRule_4.0.3_2248.apk'. This has fixed 98% of the problems".
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  • I’m frustrated
    I found 4.1.0 was stable as well.

    Not to say that I am not completely frustrated with iRule. Having been around this long there is little excuse (IMHO) to be having these kinds of stability issues. I am in the same boat having several "clean" tablets (Nexus 7) that literally run nothing but iRule and they are a constant source of frustration. Rebooting and killing the app is not a solution.
    I am losing faith that they are going to take the Android platform seriously so I would love to hear about alternatives if anyone has any suggestions.
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  • It has been some time since I have checked the forum. From what I see, there is some performance issues with the latest version, but I am on hold with working on all of this. The Samsung tablet, which worked well, died from a cracked screen, and my Asus tablet has died (both by my own doing) and I am now looking for another tablet.

    This appears to be far more difficult than it should be. Since what I want from a tablet will be used only as a remote, all I want is a basic, inexpensive tablet with a 7" or greater screen, 1024x600 or greater resolution, and minimal preloaded apps (ideally, none). There does not seem to be any, at least any found so far. Apparently tablet manufacturers are taking the same route as computer manufacturers, i.e. loading as many programs (apps) as software manufacturers are willing to pay to have installed on new devices. Just try and purchase a new Dell, HP, or Asus computer today. My understanding is that these computer manufacturers receive about $5 per computer from each software provider that gets preinstalled. Since thousands of computers are produced monthly, this amounts to lots of income for the computer manufacturers. Prices for many of these computers are great, but I have spent about an hour on each new computer removing "crapware" from them for my clients (I handle the IT for several small companies). It is amazing how much faster these computers will run once all the crap is removed. Fortunately, for computers, you can uninstall anything you want. Unfortunately, for tablets, the preinstalled apps are imbedded in the OS and can't be uninstalled. At least not easily and without risks. I believe that finding a tablet that is truly just a tablet running a clean Android operating system is not going to happen, although I have not given up hope. If one can be found, I believe it will be the way to determine how well iRule will perform, and I believe it will work well. Maybe, someday, I will find out.
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  • Try the Nexus devices. The first generation Nexus 7 can be had for $100 or less right now and comes with a clean OS. That is what I am using and I still have issues with iRule performance - which I believe are mainly to do with my Vera controller.
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  • Here is an update. Since last writing, I managed to damage my Asus tablet (got water on it) and purchased a NextBook from Walmart ($80).
    It has very few preloaded apps and I can stop them easily. IRule runs better on this tablet than on the Asus. Screens come up quickly, and operation functions well, most of the time. Every now and then, it will lock up, requiring a reboot. However, I use iRule often daily and all things considering, this is a good solution without spending the money for an iPad for using just as a remote.
    I copied the setup of my Asus to the NextBook as they both have the same screen resolution. The one issue I have noticed is that I have a .6 second delay between the numbers to enter a TV channel (from my FIOS cable box). The NextBook sends the code much faster than the Asus (albeit much more consistent), and the cable box will often miss some of the code. Maybe if I wrote the program entirely for the NextBook instead of just copying it from the Asus, it may work differently, but that seems too much like work. This is the 3rd Android I have used for iRule at home. I have noticed much difference in the delay times between all 3. This, I believe is an issue between the devices and not the program. Issues like this make a program like iRule more difficult to operate properly throughout a range of different Android devices. Since Apple makes only a few devices and make them operate the same way, it is much easier to control issues like delay timing. But I still feel the cost is too much for what is needed for using one as just a remote. I will adjust my delay timings and all will be well. As for the occasional lock up, I believe that can be overcome also.
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  • Jim, at least one of the iRule Device drivers for a cable box had 3 or 4 of the digits repeated 6 times instead of 3. It is hard to tell visually although you might be able to see the "blinks" well enough to figure it out. I used an oscilloscope to find it.

    Especially if the lost digits are always following a member of a certain set of digits, you might try adjusting the repeat of the offending digit to 2 instead of 3. The offender would be one PRECEDING the one skipped.

    We got the corrupt Device driver fixed, but you might still have an old copy in your Handset.
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  • I see the flashes and they are going too fast. The timing is set at .6 sec, but I can see that is not what is happening.

    The thought I am trying to express is that, unlike Apple products, all Android devices are not created as equally. Therefore, there are issues between Android devices and iRule cannot take responsibility for them, but must deal with them. This is one of them. I bought a new NextBook to replace my Asus tablet. Instead of writing a new configuration for it, I just downloaded the Asus configuration onto the NextBook as the screen resolution is the same. It works well, but the only difference I see is the delay timings, which I can change somewhat easily.

    I am on the iRule bandwagon to try and let people know why Android devices sometimes have performance issues with iRule, and possibly what to do to improve performance. This is what my posts have been about. I believe, being in the business, and programming many different remotes, that there is no better remote control device than using iRule. Since many of my customers buy a remote as a stand alone device, it is clear to me that purchasing an Android tablet, a Global Cache device, and installing iRule as the only app and using it as a stand alone device, is the least expensive, and most versatile way to go. Unfortunately most Android devices come preloaded with crapware requiring removing or stopping them. The NextBook for $80 has very little unnecessary apps preloaded. So far, so good.
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  • I have completely given up on the Android version. I bought a Samsung Tab S, and a Samsung Tab Pro to be solely used as remote controls running iRule. The app keeps crashing (hangs after a few seconds or maximum 1 minute of not using it). Every time it does, I let it send a crash report to iRule. But support at iRule seem to ignore all request for help, I have given up. I have ported my designs to iPad, where they run mostly fine. But I sold my iPad when I changed to iRule wanting to go to Android, only to find out it doesn't work properly with Android...
    • Sorry you are having an issue with using iRule on your Samsung Tablets. I have a Tab S running the 5.0.01 Android and it is working fine. I, also have a Samsung Note 4 which works fine as well. Would you want to elaborate on the issues you are having - I would be willing to try and help if I can.
    • I have to check versions when I get back home, but iRule is on the newest version. I think my Tab S is on Android 4.2.2. The issue is I start iRule, issue a few commands. Then a few seconds later I come back (so in the meantime the tablets switched off, or I have turned the screen off) and iRule is not responsive. If I wait, I'll get the error message after a while, close or send report. In this case most of the time I send the report as I would like to help improving the app. If I don't want to wait I'll close the app with the app manager, restart and its fine again. But it hardly ever works without hanging for more than a few minutes. This has been the same on my Tab Pro, but I might give that another try as that has been updated to Android 5.0.1 now, maybe that'll make a difference. (I think I might have tried with the same result but to make sure will try again)
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  • Just a couple of things - I'm sure you are aware of these thinks but I thought I would mention.
    1) In iRule settings on the Pads do you have the "Prevent system lock" turned on?

    2) Strangely enough I had a problem connecting to all of my Gateways this morning when I started my system to watch the morning news. This reminded me that I had not power cycled my device in a couple of weeks. The issue was the wifi connection was not functioning properly - once I did this everything has been working flawlessly for several hours.

    I did not mention in my first comment that I have an iPad Air 2 as well as the two Android handsets that I use with my AV equipment in various parts of my home. I will conceed to you that overall I believe the iPad does function overall better than the Android handsets - especially with maintaining the wifi connection - but I do have to power cycle the iPad at times.

    If you asked me to break it down as far a reliability between the two -

    Ipad Handset - 99% Issue free.

    Android Handsets - 95% Issue free.
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  • I will add my name to the list . I hope this issue gets resolved quickly.
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  • I have my prevent system lock unticked, should that be ticked ? I regularly reboot my tablets, that does not seem to help
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  • In my opinion yes, I keep the "Prevent System Lock" ON and the "Dim Screen" ON.

    This keeps the iRule screen on and the Dim Screen does save some battery power.

    This has worked for me.
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  • I also experience slow response on my Samsung Tab-2 7". Often several seconds from a key-press to the desired response, IF I get a response.. It helps a lot to restart iRule, at least if I also get into the RAM manager and kill all background crap. iRule is the only app running, but after a while there are more than 20 other processes that the RAM manager reports to have killed. Have no clue what all these background processes are, but it is annoying not to be able to kill them permanently. When I do this iRule works just fine.

    Please give me back the gateway connect symbol! It was very useful to monitor during long macros.
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  • If you press and hold on a blank spot on any of your pages the connect symbol will drop down and you can view the commands sent or not sent.
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  • I'm having an issue on my Samsung Galaxy S6 after I updated to Lollipop 5.1.1 a few days ago. Almost every day that I start the iRule app I need to log in with my Google + account, sync (takes a minute or so), and then restore my gateways.

    Before updating to 5.1.1, I did not have to go through this every time I opened the app. I know that Lollipop 5.1.1 has caused issues with other apps, but most of them have come up with fixes and updates.

    Please look into this.
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  • Like others, I have problems with iRule on Android--frequent force closes, the "iRule has stopped responding" warnings, the repeated unwarranted "you need to sync before using iRule" messages, and generally slow performance. I'll also throw in episodes where the tablet gets really warm and I find iRule is sucking battery like crazy (fixed after killing and restarting the app).

    I like iRule, but it's only appropriate for hobbyists at this point; I wouldn't recommend it to the average person. Certainly if iRule wants to widen their market, they have to improve stability.
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  • I rooted the Samsung tab-2 (P3110), and installed a custom recovery, and flashed a Cyanogenmod custom ROM. This improved the response in the iRule app itself, like smoother an faster opening drawers, changing panels etc.. No improvement to speak of regarding the "spinning wheel" connecting to the gateways. Yesterday I installed a wireless access-point to the same switch where I have my iRule controlled stuff connected. This really improved response, and everything worked well all evening :-) All commands that I sent worked at first attempt, and I noticed that the connect-symbol was spinning for maybe a second or two every 5 seconds or so, but else it was green all the time. Usually this symbol turns yellow or red from time to time.
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  • I switched to Apple mainly because of iRule. Although I think 99% reliable is an exaggeration. Android maybe 60% and iOS 85% is more like it. And I just added a 3rd device and updated the app and the feedbacks have all gone to shit. It's a good thing it's cheap, because I spend the savings on headache medicine.
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  • I agree with Kevin H. I have both and have issues with both. In particular the Vera module has been a major issue on both platforms for, literally for years now, with little to now progress. (which really sucks b/c I've paid extra for a bunch of modules that don't work.. I've kind of given up on iRule for that and started moving on to a much more responsive app. Doesn't look quite as nice (as the interface isn't as flexible) but so far it is MUCH more reliable and MUCH more responsive with my Home Automation stuff.

    Constantly being asked to re-login and sync with the google account is the latest source of irritation with iRule..
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  • I bought a Logitech Harmony Ultimate, not the same but i will try how it works.
    It just works to bad with my 2 dedicated galaxy tab 7" remotes.
    I had to downgrade to an older version as i read in this thread after having huge delays and hangups and so on.
    Irule was good, but at least the last year has only been trouble.

    If the logitech remote works without problem and autosync the settings to phone/tablet, then it might be worth it. I will find out.
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    Back again.
    After down grading to version 4.0.3 (2248) of irule, as per previous post, everything was running at about 98% happiness. But I recently made some changes to some of my screens and needed to do an update, but there has been a change with google removing the Legacy Logon and us needing a google+ login, thus I had to upgrade my version of irule to a newer version in order to sync. Now running version 4.2.2 and performance is woeful again. Lots of delays after pressing a button, then it does it's thing. Or the usual warning of "irule is not responding, what do you want to do. wait? quit?..."
    I'm seriously considering dropping $569AU on a ipad air 2 16GB wi-fi, purely to run irule. A bit extravagant for a remote and I'm starting to question my sanity....
    No other apps running as I regularly minimise irule and close anything that has auto started using the 'Task Manager' widget, I've also done a factory reset/restore and the only app installed [apart from the bloat-ware that comes with the tablet, that you cant remove...] is irule.
    The saga continues....

    Hardware: Asus ME302C
    Android Version: 4.3
    Irule version: 4.2.2 (2761)

    DR
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    • Good point, I'll probably be better off spending the money on something else. I've started closing the app and restarting it every day and this helps a bit, but like you I'm now looking for alternatives. Just need to get something that will work with my GlobalCache IP2IR and my HTPC [xbmc/kodi].
    • I have made the crossover and it is a major improvement on the iPad. Was so sick of having the lag with wifi connection on Asus tablets. Have bought one iPad and running successfully for a week now so will pick up a second one. Shudder of the thought but hey it works!!!

      There are a few online solutions out there but I have read enough on other forums that the lag or complexity (or lack there of) will always be slightly noticeable. I am maintaining with iRule for the present with the improvement on apple products. Have spent too many hours to leave this behind .... for the present. Never returning to the inflexible logitech. Happy wife happy life now!!!
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    please mention some alternatives. I'm trying Logitech but i am open for other softwares like Irule.
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  • I have experimented with a few but I am slowly moving things over to to Imperihome. It supports many Home Automation systems. My constant irritation in iRule is the messed up support for Vera. This is super snappy and reliable with Vera. It is also very flexible (but not as free flowing as iRule). Also to control my IR/RS-232 devices it isn't quite as elegant as iRule as I am using http commands to control those from Imperihome. The Developer is very involved and responsive and updates/fixes come at a good pace. Its been developed mainly in Android but they recently released an iOS version as well which I don't think is as feature reach as the Android version yet. Considering my investment so far in iRule it is also significantly cheaper.

    http://www.imperihome.com/
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  • Is there any response from support or I Rule management on these issues?

    It seems that there are many customers including myself complaining with no response from I Rule as to what to expect on a possible fix. I hope to hear from them or I like others will be moving to a different platform.
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  • I have now used 7 different Android tablets and all have the same issue, and it is not exclusive to iRule. When the tablets are brought back from being "asleep", it can take quite some time to make the WIFI connection. No commands (button pressed) can be issued and executed until the WIFI connection has been established. I noticed that if I press buttons with commands that need WIFI to execute without the WIFI connected, it will make the tablet lock up (often times) and require a reboot. I have tried to find a way to keep the WIFI connected while the tablet is asleep, but to no avail.
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  • Since the last update iRule has been very unstable on my Nexus 7 2013 model. Symptoms include random crashing & non responsive commands...typically I'l do a command or two, iRule will just sit there, then the delayed commands shoot out in a bunch.

    Prior to the last update it was working quite well for many months. The tablet is dedicated to iRule. Please fix.
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  • First, check and uninstall or disable apps that are loaded, and unnecessary to run iRule. Nexus 7 is preloaded with lots of apps that run and are usually unwanted. Then check to see if your WIFI is taking a long time to connect when waking up. If so, wait until the connection is made before trying to press a command. This is where I find one of the biggest problems with iRule taking a long time to respond, then "shooting a bunch" of commands at once. This is not a problem with iRule, but with the tablet itself. Note that many unnecessary apps are trying to connect to the Internet when the tablet is waken, adding to the problem. iRule really needs to inform users of Android tablets of this issue. Maybe they can add an FAQ to inform how to do so. I have purchased a $30 tablet and installed iRule on it and it works great. The best part about the $30 tablet is that it was not preloaded with apps that take away processing time, and WIFI access. IF it was not for the terrible screen resolution of the $30 tablet, I would use them for all my customers. However, the point is clear to me that iRule does work on Android very well, but not without some extra effort that has nothing to do with iRule itself.
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  • This is all good advice. However, I have a Nexus 7 as well, and when I use iRule, I keep the screen on continuously (it's allowed to dim), which I believe means the wifi stays connected. Despite this, I get the no-response-then-send-a-bunch-of-commands problem.
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  • What Eric said. Nexus 7 is on all the time & does not sleep.

    And all was working well for months until the latest update.
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  • Eric:
    See if any of this sounds familiar...

    The delay is almost always about 5 seconds or so.

    Sometimes after the "no-response-then-send-a-bunch-of-commands problem" the menu bar will pop open out of nowhere.

    With the menu bar open and it happens, you can see that you are tapping or swiping on the tablet and no commands are being sent because the command icon never flashes, the 5 second delay happens, and then you see all the missed commands spit out at once.
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  • 5 seconds sounds right, although I've never really timed it or noticed that it's consistent. I'm not sure about the menu bar--I don't recall it in that situation; I'll start watching for it. Maybe you're doing something iRule is interpreting as press-and-hold?

    When it happens, I see that the button doesn't show the depressed state when I push it, until iRule's refractrory period ends and it sends several commands at once. That corresponds to the same issue you're seeing when the command icon doesn't flash at first. It also suggests to me that iRule is hanging, rather than there being a delay in the wifi connection.
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  • I think the tap command hangs & gets interpreted as a long press.

    You & I have the exact tablet & symptoms. Doesn't matter if it's a button press or a gesture either.
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  • There seems to be a clue that both Nexus 7's have the same problem. Have you tried to stop or eliminate the unnecessary apps?
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  • my Nexus 7 2013 exhibit none of these behaviours, also Jim what unnecessary apps? nexus devices are bare minimum android as it is?
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