Denon AVR not waking or connecting gateway initially with iRule, but wakes with Denon app just fine.

My iRule doesn't connect to the denon IP gateway when the Denon is off. I get the yellow symbol.

If I turn the Denon on using IR or something other than iRule, then it finds the gateway, icon turns green right away and iRule operates it fine.

The denon wakes and operates fine using its web interface or the denon app, so this tells me its an issue with iRule. The Denon is also configured to have the network port "always on" to be looking for IP commands.

I have the denon and iTach IP's fixed (and outside the DHCP range). The denon is also set to port 23.

Any ideas?

I guess I'll just add an IR power on command with a delay on it on all my source menus.
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  • Wow, it went from bad to worse once I added a Kindle to the mix. It's rare I can get both connected to the denon gateway at the same time. Now the 2nd handset won't even connect when the Denon is powered up.

    I know the denon only supports one connection, but it's only connected to the iTach. It doesn't see the handsets directly.

    Very frustrated to have it only working 25% of the time.
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  • What kind of gateway are you using for this?

    If your connecting directly to the Denon, it will only give you one connection.

    If you are using the iTach you should get up to 4 connections, but you must first enable it from the web page.

    Can you give more info on your gateway setup for these devices?
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  • Cool, here's my info. I don't see anywhere to enable that from the iTach webpage.

    Denon 3313 IP and gateway is 192.168.2.7, port 23, network set to "always on" in AVR settings. I have 1 gateway for the denon, and under it i actually have two devices added. Denon, and Denon zone 2/3.
    Itach is 192.168.2.6. has 3 IR ports added to that gateway
    Gateway is set to 192.168.2.1
    DCHP on denon and itach is turned off.
    Router has DHCP enabled for 192.168.2.100+

    I have a samsung phone, kindle, and iphone setup in Builder, pro version. separate tab for each.

    On the iTach webpage i get these options:

    Network Configuration

    Enter the new settings for the device below:

    Firmware Version: 710-1005-05
    Enable LOCK (unchecked)
    Enable DHCP (unchecked)
    MAC Address: 00:0C:1E:02:91:2A
    IP Address: 192.168.2.6
    Gateway: 192.168.2.1
    Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

    Should I be using Wake on Lan on the iRule settings for the Denon? This is unchecked. Or is that redundant with the Denon network setting to "always on"?
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  • I'm ready to throw this sh** through the window. Spend weeks getting my UI all perfected. Works excellent on the phone, other than some delay in starting up.

    Use it on the kindle, nukes everything. Phone will no longer load any gateways. Then oh wait, got some of them 10 minutes later after getting half pissed. Ok, now I'm completely pissed. Oh wait, now it loads all of them. Get it working on the kindle.... nukes the phone.

    This is a joke. How is this supposed to be a wife-proof solution if I have to fiddle with trying to get gateways to connect every single time?

    I'm searching all over trying to find a solution other than jumping off a bridge. A refund won't give me 3 weeks of my time back. Had my mother over last weekend and because it didn't connect to the itach or denon 90% of the time she gave up trying to use it, and had to come find me every time. If I wanted it to operate that way I'd ducttape 6 remotes to my thigh.
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  • Sorry for the delayed response.

    The multiport setting I spoke of was for iTach WF2SL or IP2SL, you are using an IP gateway so that should support 8 connections at the same time.

    Can you try to completely take the Denon out of your setup and see if you can connect your devices to the iTach simultaneously. Denon only allows a single connection at a time. If you connect with a phone then you cannot connect with the Kindle. If you need more than one connection to the Denon you should use IR not IP.

    I don't have a good reason for why you lose connection to the iTach, that should work OK.
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  • If I get a RS232 itach unit, and control the denon through that, will I be able to get feedback to multiple handsets, since the denon would then be connected only to one device?
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  • Yes RS232 iTach will support 4 simultaneous connections.

    if you use IR for Denon you could evaluate complete control before you invest in another iTach.
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  • I've already got all my chips on the table, so I'm gonna order the IP2SL.

    I did some interesting things with using the feedbacks to create simple graphics such as indicator lights and button highlighting.
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  • I have the IP2SL working and it seems to have cured my ailments. I guess the Denon was the limitation after all. It seems to have trouble connecting reliably through the network to iRule, even with only one handset in use.

    With the RS232 both handsets appear to be working very reliably.
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  • Kevin, how did you do indicator lights and button highlighting using feedbacks? I would be very interested to know.

    Thanks.

    Jeff
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    Basically, you create a duplicate source feedback "code" for each button you want a light for. Then change the "replace with" value to ascii "█" or even add a few "████" only on the particular source value you want to create a light for. Every other source on that light will have a space as its value. You can mess with the font size and color to get it pretty well placed and sized.

    So, when you have cable/sat on, that block will show up on your zone 1 cable button on your main screen. When you switch to radio, that block will change to a blank. And the other code you created for radio will turn on instead. If you want the off light to be a different color instead of blank you'll have to create an additional feedback code for each source that has black/grey whatever ascii "█" on the "replace with" for all sources EXCEPT the correct source, which will have a blank space.

    There are a few other tricks to it which you'll find as you get into it. It's a lot to explain here.

    The first trick is that the feedback does not display on top of a button graphic. So you have to put your graphics in the background layer and then use transparent buttons. Basically a .png file that is 100% transparent, which you can then size in the builder.

    Once you master that you can try the button highlighting. The simplest type keeps the button in the foreground layer and displays a slightly larger "o" behind the button when that source or mute or sleep timer or whatever is in use. These are a bitch because you have to use a massive font, and the minimum height prevents you from sticking it up at the very top or bottom of the screen. They are also tricky to get aligned properly with the button graphic. You can do quite a few things with this if you are creative enough. Some of my power buttons change with feedback too!

    Also zone 2 kinda sucks in that it takes more tricks to get it to not display a source light when it's off. I'm still working on those workarounds.

    Here's a few screenshots. With my luck, they'll have a software update next week that makes this obsolete, lol.

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  • Great creativity Kevin.... I think I will wait for 3.1 which hopefully is coming very soon.

    I am also messing around with Z2 feedback right now. If you figure out the tokenized string, or whatever it is for Z2?, please pass along. I will take a crack at it in the next few days.

    I have AVR 1912, have been screwing around with IP Control for a while with very similiar issues as yours. However, the 1912 doesn't have an RS-232 connection so I am screwed there. I am going to try an HTTP Gateway as that is the same protocol that the Denon IOS Remote App uses. However, haven't seen the commands documented and the apparent device in iRule Device Users doesn't seem to exist either. Hopefully I can get a reliable AVR/iRule soon enough.

    Very nice remote by the way.
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  • I wish I knew the answer. I created a big giant scrolling box for Z2's string and all I can get to display is the source.

    Z2? queries many things about zone 2, but without knowing the string, I can't begin to make best use of it.

    This isn't really a problem for you unless you're trying to do what I'm doing to fit my activities, power states and source feedback all on the home page.
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