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iRule Alternative Disscusion

I love iRule, for all it's bugs of which I've posted about I have spent dozens (hundreds?) of hours learning feedbacks, variables, macros etc and loved using Se7en template to make great remotes. We have a few years now to find alternatives to iRule so let's start a topic with pictures, examples and hardware compatibility and plenty of discussion.

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  • Home Remote
    looks good. Not cloud-based but local installed application, CG iTach is supported among many other things like Denon/Marantz, Philips Hue etc.

    They've even got an app for Windows.
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  • SImple Control? Looks snazzy and complex. Pricing process looks confusing though and no android.
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  • Every year or two I try Simple Control (formerly Roomie Remote), and get stuck quickly. The biggest stumbling block is the inability to create your own IP commands. If not all of your device's commands are supported by their device library you are wedged. Getting data back and displaying it consistently is also at the mercy of their support.

    The philosophy of this product is very different from iRule. The target market is not custom installers, but instead technically savvy DIYers. Very technically savvy, from my previous evaluations.

    They are apparently working on a new major release, with significant structural changes. They started a beta nearly a year ago (!) and the most recent estimation is from August in https://forum.simplecontrol.com/t/ver... about a potential "Q4 release". No word since on that thread. The main web site says "coming this Fall". Which is now.
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  • I've looked around a lot the last months. For a few days I am working with TouchControl and would be very glad if a few iRulers would come over to help me. But those of you who might think that Roomie/Simple Control could be an alternative to iRule shouldn't waste their time with TouchControl. It seems to be quite complex but very promising. And those of you who are "on Android". Sorry, no app for you. Just iOS.

    The pros and cons so far:

    Pro:
    - cheap: About 10,- to 15,-€ /$ including an in app buy to use Global Cache hardware (unlimited: iTach, Global Cache, IR, serial, relay)
    - it seems as if there is no limitation of handsets, devices, panels or graphics
    - seems to control everything: IR, IP, serial and more
    - works excellent with my IP cams without any modules
    - connection to the IR database of Global Cache
    - also works with Pronto Hex IR codes (didn't tried that)
    - no online builder, works with a local server on Mac OSX or Windows
    - server is only needed while you make changes with the app, the app itself runs without server
    - "interesting" concepts with sliders, knobs, gesture pads and some more
    - the app runs stable, the server sometimes crashes in my setup (Mac), no data loss
    - for those of you who know what they do: It looks like as if you can control nearly everything within the app with JavaScript.
    - a lot more features that I don't understand

    Contra:
    - no simple drag&drop design. Coming from iRule it seems very complicated and new, so there is a steep learning curve. I've looked at TouchControl a weekend in July and didn't understand anything. In my need of a new capable system I've tried it again a few days ago and begin to understand the concept.
    - nearly no community - but we can change this
    - NO Android app

    I am in no way related to the programmer or people behind TouchControl. Perhaps I give it up in a few weeks for a bug I haven't found until now. But I've tested a lot of systems and this one seems by far the best regardless of costs.

    Here's a link...
    http://www.touchapptech.com

    Nocko!
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  • TouchControl looks fascinating - A release history that goes back more than 5 years, but fewer than 100 posts in the online forum (Total members 36 • Our newest member Nocko!). This rather looks like a single-person project, beware.
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    • ..."I believe my entire iRule app could be done on this system, and would likely work better..."
      That's the point. Haven't found another system on which this statement fits!
    • Well, one could do their own in a web development style, but, I find that less enjoyable. It's nice to have *some* things coded for you!
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  • I have been looking at this app as well. Never really used the irule devices library but to upload my devices and feedbacks to other people so the lack of drag and drop doesnt effect me. I usually get my own ir codes from my itach receiver and the original remote so I have a personal database of ir codes for my isy and my own programs. Whats the total cost to get ir/ip control and the app? From what i have read it seams to cheap. My initial concern with Irule was that the cost was too low and there was no yearly cost to keep things going like a server. As a programmer myself It never made sense that Irule never charged monthly or yearly for their server system. Felt it was only a matter of time from the get go without a steady form of income any business is bound to fold or sell.

    Is there any part that requires to connect to their server or is it a program you run on your own server at home?
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  • Hi James,
    I think you speak about TouchControl?
    As far as I understand there is no connection to a server at TouchControl. I think they don't even have a server or a builder or something like that online.

    On the other hand: I understand your point and of course I understand Thomas as well (hope I haven't insulted him - if so: Sorry!). Someone who earns money with his "project" will probably invest more time and power and will live longer. But who guarantees ?

    On my Mac I have found a few issues with the server / builder of TouchControl. May be bugs may be my lack of understanding. As Thomas wrote - it seems to be a one-man show. But the man already answered my emails. Someday I have to decide for a new system and TouchControl seems interesting, at least.

    Any other suggestions? I need a system that works on a Mac and allows really free design. Support for IP, IR, serial (Global Cache / TCP) and IP Cams (web browser) is mandatory.

    By the way: Had a deeper look at Kramer Control as well. Very disappointing. iRule is still miles ahead.
    Nocko!
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  • Yea I was asking about touchcontrol. Maybe I’ll give it a try after work slows down.
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  • Does anyone have experience with the Key Digital Compass Control/Compass Navigator?
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  • I am a freelance Av programmer and was a huge supporter of On Controls and Irule. I use a lot of different systems on a daily basis. Have played a little bit with key digital and wasn't that excited about it.

    Im pushing most of my clients towards Kramer Control now its not for diy users but if you are a customer installer/integrator and was fan of irule its similar but is a lot more powerful.
    • What is the cost of this solution ? For how long before Kramer will be bought by some bigger company ?
    • Interesting... In which way do you think that Kramer Control is a lot more powerful than iRule was? When I had a look at the builder last time, there were no "url-widgets" and you had to decide if your handset is build in landscape or portrait mode. A mixed-mode wasn't possible. Also I didn't found an easy way to import commands or to set drawers. Although there are a few features that were not included in iRule, I think that iRule is for now by far more powerful. But perhaps Kramer updated the builder in the last days?
      Nocko!
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  • Is kramer too expensive for home users? I only use irule for personal use but have built a few handsets in the past couple of years and enjoyed learning it.

    Thank

    What about Demopad? Looks OK?
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    • As stated previously DemoPad is for Apple only if you use the App($30.99). This is what I am going to goto fro the second time. I used it before iRule and it works great - I only changed to do something different. It is compatible with all of the Global Cache devices and will work with virtually any IP/RS232 device you want to through at it. If you want to stick with the iPad App only there is no additional expence except GC units if you do not already have them.

      There is what might be a higher learning curve to this but it does do a great job!

      I have not checked it out yet but they do have a monthly cost plan which has some added benifits of which I think one is access to an Android App.

      They also sell there on GC type units.

      You can check this out at thier Website - demopad.com.
    • Forgot one thing which I think most people would like to know - This can be TOTALLY ran and accessed from your computer - does NOT require internet access.
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  • As per suggestion of satmarchall in https://getsatisfaction.com/irule/top... , I just checked this application and perhaps an option to consider? Anyone with MyUremote experience in here?
    Cheers,
    Hans
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  • Goodbye iRule - welcome back Harmony...

    I’ve put many hours into creating a bespoke remote using iRule, learning to script, designing layouts etc. and really enjoyed the experience/challenge :)

    However I missed real buttons, and was struggling with workarounds for newer streaming boxes, so I thought I’d try Logitech’s Harmony remotes again, and bought the Ultimate with hub.

    Blimey! Within an hour I’d replicated my iRule handset - and with all it’s nuances that I had to script in iRule for multiple screens/zones etc. And tonight I’ve just added a new fairly complex activity without leaving the the comfort of my sofa ;)

    So well worth considering, details below of my setup.

    Cheers, Graham.

    Lounge: Denon AVR zone 1, TV, projector, Freesat box, Roku, Fire TV, Qnap NAS running Kodi
    Kitchen: TV, Denon zone 2, all the above sources.
    Conservatory: Music, speakers only but same sources as above.
    Study: Video/Audio passthrough with Denon off, all sources.
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  • All I want is something that doesn't cost a fortune, gives you the power of variables and conditionals that iRule provided, and doesn't require a PC, server, or other dedicated hardware to operate the remote (that's fine for when you are developing/changing it) And ideally something that looks like it will last! Is there such a thing?

    I had a rudimentary iRule setup for some time but this spring starting redoing everything from scratch using the power conditions/variables provided and was very excited about the possibilities for my very complicated commercial setup. I was halfway through that rework when the Kramer thing stopped me in my tracks, and haven't wanted to devote the time knowing it would be wasted.

    Since Kramer has made it clear they're dropping all the iRule customers and we're one iOS/Android API change away from an app that will crash on launch, I really want to find something else. But after planning on what I could do with iRule using variables and conditionals, going back to something less powerful doesn't really excite me.

    I suppose if I can't find something that meets my needs/desires now, I may end up getting a couple used iPhones or cheap Androids and not updating the OS. Then I could at least use iRule as is for now and hope something better has come along by 2021 when the Builder goes away.
    • Yea I am in the middle of redoing my entire setup as well and will continue to finish as there is still 4 years left. I was very upset at first but the more I thought about it there is still a lot of time left. Most high end remotes are lucky to even last that long before they stop working. In 4 years a lot will have changed. 2 years ago only the rich or very advanced diyrs had voice control now it is very common and in 2-3 more years will be the norm I believe.
    • wisful thinking I'd say, let's recap: It shouldn't cost a fortune, gives the power iRule more or less doesn't require PC, server or other dedicated hardware. Did I miss something, but even if I did I wish you good luck because such a thing doesn't exist I believe otherwise everyone would gladly jump onto it. And beware of trying to use old androids without updating them. Multiple times it happened to me that I had to re-authenticate and re-download the panels out of nowhere, especially on the phone. The table works more reliable though
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  • Tried OpenRemote a bit but it was awful, malfunctioning and whatever you design looks totally different on the handset. So I dropped it.

    ATM: I'm setting up all my equipment to be controllable though OpenHAB2 running on a Pine64. OpenHAB2 also has Global Cache binding with support for Ethernet based GlobalCache products, like GC-100, iTach IP2IR, WIFI2IR, Flex, etc. The only limitation is quering sensor. But in the end you can do it yourselves on through HTTP/REST.

    This leaves me the flexibility of having whatever frontend I need once every
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  • So, have looked into Harmony Elite. It would definitely work but it's back to non feedback style (bad) but hard buttons (good). And likely would last a long time of course. I really really want IP control though with feedback, it makes things a lot more friendly. Looked at OpenRemote. Didn't really like it, too much coding needed (at least v3). v2 has a gui designer, v3 likely will not. MyURemote is way too simple. Didn't like Simple Control either and really do not want a monthly or yearly fee, just my preference. So, for me, it's between Harmony Elite and TouchControl. TouchControl is what I *want* to do, Harmony is of course simpler.
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  • I am still testing with TouchControl. Look&Feel of the app is great and the app seems very reliable. Due to my missing knowledge of Javascript and my poor Englisch it will take months, perhaps years to rebuild my iRule setup. But I see this as an hobby within a hobby so this won't be a problem as long iRule lives.

    The programmer of TouchControl (Dave) is really nice and incredible patient. But of course he can't teach me Javascript or rebuild my system. So it would be great if a few iRulers would come over to TouchControl to contribute.

    @sfatula: If we learn to keep things simple at first and then use the more advanced features of TouchControl (which look very tempting) I think you can build a working remote in a few hours or weeks, depending on your devices and demands. I don't think that you will be happy with the Harmony system when you know the possibilities of TouchControl. But I would like the idea to have something like the (very nice) Harmony hard button remote to control basics of my system. Perhaps we should ask Dave if he can enhance is server a little bit :-)
    Nocko!
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  • Yes, I do plan on moving over the their forums once I get further along. I won't keep it simple, I want to do what I do not in iRule and then some. Will be happy to share assuming I continue on this path. I will be retired at year end, so, will have a lot more time next year. Fortunately, iRule has given us that time!
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  • As an Android person, Simple Control doesn't do it for me.

    I would just go with a Harmony Elite--it might be nice to have hard buttons again. But from what I can find, its ip control is limited to a few devices, and it can't control Global Cache hardware. Is that correct?
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  • Thanks for the info on TouchControl, just found the correct site. Some time back I found only hits relating to hearing aid devices. Checked again and found 'touchapptech'...
    Looks great and it seems to be able to deliver at least close to what iRule does, IP control, self-defined screen setup, feedback, etc). I definitely will have a go at it! I'm not really into programming but will work that out. An active user forum would help I think.
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  • Just checked the TouchControl Instructions, looks very complete and comprehensive and probably the reason why there is no real needs for a technical forum? For sure a lot of work went into this product and it looks costs/efforts are recovered through in-app purchases. Makes sense to me.. For die-hard (IOS) iRulers this application could be the answer. Yes, it (at least for now) very much looks for the techies with all that programming but in turn that approach only gives the features, functionality and flexibility we are all after, right?
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    • HansW, do you now how to sort the values in the spinner items? I have 5 DirecTV receivers and would love to sort them 1 thru 5, but currently they populate the spinner in the order they are found on the network.
    • Hi cdeslong. I don't have any setup expeirence with TouchControl yet and cannot help with your question. In fact it goes that far that I don't even understand the question yet!.... I only know DirectTV is a great service from at&t in the US Mexico or so? and we would love to have it here in the Netherlands.. :)
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  • Thoughts on approaching Kramer and purchasing the rights to iRule? iRule seems to have a niche that no one else quite fills, at least for the cost. I wouldn't be doing it for profit as this is a huge passion of mine with hundreds (dare I say a thousand?) hours invested, and I hear all of you saying the same thing. While I wouldn't be doing it for profit, I also wouldn't be doing it for a loss, either. Anyone with real world experience want to weigh in here? What would it really take to maintain? My thoughts are not robust future development here - essentially just keeping things the same but maybe making it more of a user ran project.
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  • Has anybody tried Anymote? Looks like a fairly rich UI and good customizability, but lacking support for a lot of home automation gear (Nest and Lutron being my two biggest use cases.)
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  • I have been playing around with DemoPad for the last few days. First, is you do not have to pay a monthly fee to use there product. The monthly service fee will give you more cloud storage and a little better support, though if you are only doing one project, you really don't need to pay the monthly fee. Once, you buy the app for $30.00, I believe you are done. Second, DemoPad's builder is downloaded. So you are no longer using a web base builder, which is a big plus for me. You can sync to the tablet right from the builder. You actually don't even need to use the cloud service you can do every thing from the builder.
    So no worries if DemoPad disappears. The builder software has a learning curve, but over all its not hard to figure out. So far I have been able to accomplish every thing I need to do. With an exception to feedback. I know DemoPad can do feedback, just haven't tackled that job yet. Third, there is a nice size graphic library that you can DL from there website. Not as large as iRule but not bad. Its also easy to add your own graphics. Fourth, DemPad seems to work with all Global Cache device's. So you won't have to buy new hardware. Fifth, I use a few web interface within a URL window inside my build. I have noticed that the same interface works better in DemoPad then it does in iRule. Sixth, One drawback is that there is not a lot of activity on there forums. So far I have been able to find answers to my questions on the forums. I have not tried email support yet, so I have no idea on how helpful they are. I know they made a shift in there business model and are gearing more towards a professional installer. I am not sure that's a bad thing. I have been an iRule user for years now, I am sad to see them go but at this point I would recommend DemoPad as a replacement. Plus its a low cost replacement.
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  • So I have had more time with DemoPad. Support has been very good for me. They respond via email very quickly, usually with in hours (I believe they are located in the UK, so they are 6 hours ahead of me so keep that in mind when emailing support). There is a bit of a learning curve on advanced features, but I now have all my feedback working, which includes KODI, DirecTV, Hue and EventGhost. So far the app has been very stable and seems to handle feedback very nicely. Now for people that are interested, yes you do have to pay the in app purchase of $30. US to use the app with more then one device. Then you have an option if you want to pay the monthly fee. I choosed to pay the lower priced monthly fee, so maybe that why support is so fast to respond.
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    Just discovered about iRule going bye-bye; sux! I have two rooms with reasonably complex home theater / automation setups and I have them working so nicely! What a bummer...

    I think it's rotten of Kramer to buy iRule just to shut it down. If they wanted our business, they would have provided a conversion utility to preserve all the hard work we put into our iRule handsets. I will never go with Kramer because if that's how they roll, then what's to stop them from doing the same thing again in the future?!? 'f***' that! As for buying iRule from them, you can't. They bought it to shut down low-cost competition so you'll have to pay their price. Don't even bother trying...I have been so happy to be liberated from the wallet-rape of Crestron et. al. - I'm not about to give up the good thing I've got going...

    Great info about TouchControl and DemoPad. I will have to check those out for sure. In the meantime, I might just relax about it since, as others have pointed out, we have a few years which is quite a long time in technology.
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  • Great point Rob. In fact, it might be better for those who can or want to wait to wait as then libraries of code can be built up over time for different devices where they do not already exist. Especially for ip control devices.

    I too was bummed big time. However, I am finding I will probably enjoy the stuff I can now do that iRule did not do, so, it's not all bad. Time is the bad part. TouchControl does not require web access to any server either for the builder. I like that too , as some who are testing demopad have pointed out. I think that's a good thing.

    Relaxing about it is probably your best bet for now, let's others be the bleeding edge.

    No *way* would I go down the route of Crestron et. al!
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  • Regex generally refers to Regular Expressions, which are a semi cryptic way of looking for a matching patterns. So, for example, in TouchControl when I am trying to match the returned values from my older Insteon controller, I have a pattern like this: /0250' + InsteonID + '.{8}(.{2})(.{2})/ One can use them for more complex scenarios, not all devices return feedback as iRule wanted them with a nice fixed prefix and suffix.
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  • Someone had asked for a sample page from TouchControl, so, here's one, long way from being done, it's my opening screen for the home theater room. On the top in iRule I had around 50 fields with various feedback from my receiver such as which channels are being sent audio, the format of the video, etc. I've been working on pieces of various screens and figuring out the best place to put things before I start actually completing pages. This mostly looks like my iRule page, missing a few buttons such as System Off, a few cleanups from iRule, the volume knob I like better than my former slider, etc. So, this is more the template, which will apply to each of my pages, sort of like iRule panels. There are a million ways to do things of course, but, mostly keeping to the style I used in iRule, good or bad. Most things I am finding are much better. I am using all the current images I was using for the most part.

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    • It's definitely not a lot of work, it's as much as you make of it. TC is so much better than iRule, so, yes, you can go a lot further if you wish, or not. Simpler remotes would be fairly fast once you learn the product, which will be true of any product. So, I do agree it is more complicated if you take advantage of every potential feature. But you don't have to. To say more complicated than iRule can also be said a different way - more flexible than iRule. But it only works on IOS, so those with any mixed environment or no IOS at all are definitely not going to care!

      There will be no one app that will work or be the best for everyone. There are those that have very basic remotes, those could even be served by an actual physical remote. There are those on the other end who invested a ton of time in iRule trying to make it do fancy things (which often was very difficult due to how you had to do it), those will be well suited to apps like TC and it's highly likely the effort will be far less than they originally spent. Then there are those more in the middle. Etc. For the techie looking for the most possible features, they will be more apt to like TC. Things that people requested that were never added by iRule like voice are there. Keyboard, there. etc. The language that iRule created for doing the fancier things was so very basic and limited, nothing like Javascript, which is a well known and pretty simple to learn language. So, I wouldn't doubt people will migrate to 10 or 15 different solutions. Nothing wrong with that. The key is trying to figure out what the best fit is for you.
    • I agree with you and I think "complicated" is the wrong word - more a lot of things to learn how it works, but I will give it a try.
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  • Just to be clear, TouchControl in the Apple store for $6.99, correct? Don’t want to look at the wrong thing.
    • It's called "TouchControl Universal Remote". I can't see the price as I own it. It has several addons, some of which I may end up getting. But, I would still suggest people wait a bit and consider all the feedback here to see what might be right for them, there are many products I have never heard of being discussed now and that's good for all. I hope to write up (one day in the coming months) something to help iRule owners (with terms and such) convert to TC. But that is a ways off.

      Also working with the dev to make a few changes to make it simpler for iRule migrators. For example, prefix and suffix delimited feedback and a few other things. You can do the same thing without that, but, it makes it a little bit simpler.
    • Thanks for the info and your arrangement to help other iRule users migrate eventually to TC.
      The price for "TouchControl Universal Remote" in the Europe Apple store (Germany) is 7.99 EUR (+ in app-purchases). For me the price is absolute OK for such extensive software.
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    Simple Control just released their new version 5.0 of the software. Its been completely worked over, updated, improved. Everything I have read, seen has impressed me. Nothing is perfect but they seem to have a real grasp on this market and know where its heading and plan to stay current. I think I will give it a chance. Here is a couple of links worth looking at if anyone is interested.

    https://www.simplecontrol.com/sc5rele...

    https://www.simplecontrol.com/

    https://forum.simplecontrol.com/
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    • Yea I went ahead and did the v4.5 added the itach devices. Then moved to the v5.0 and the cancelled the subscription for v4.5. They have it all outlined it wasn't to much work to accomplish. Worth the time and couple bucks VS purchasing a couple new devices they offer for $99 a pop.
      As for the pricing it actually got better. They actually improved it to clean up confusion on the different schemes. They added devices to each plan.
      3 devices to 10 devices $20yr, 20 devices to 30 devices #30yr, 100 devices for $50.
      I don't feel that pricing is to bad considering if we don't pay to play then it wont advance and stay current and end up just like irule or any of the other companies like irule.
    • Take my money! (Once you make an Android version.)
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  • I listened to a podcast with the ceo of simple control from about a year ago.

    If anyone is interested the link is

    http://www.thedigitalmediazone.com/20...
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  • Just a suggestion on organisation for this thread going forward.

    This is a vital and very interesting discussion for many of us, but it is already becoming a bit hard to follow as it contains many good individual topics.

    May I suggest we set up a new topic for each alternative to iRule instead?

    Perhaps best if anyone who wants to actively start a topic of an alternative to iRule and it's pros and cons does so, including the info from each app from this thread?

    Alternatively someone creates separate topics uniformly named ("Alternative to iRule official: example: TouchControl") for all of them?
    I harvested at least the ones below from this thread and added a few.
    If someone is good at creating these topics as a nice mod-type action I think it would be good. The commenting of this getsatisfaction site would probably help getting a feel for where we are all going.

    Perhaps John Wallace who started this thread can add all these links to to opening post of this thread for convenience?

    Home Remote
    http://thehomeremote.com

    Harmony Elite
    https://www.logitech.com/sv-se/produc...

    TouchControl
    http://www.touchapptech.com

    Simple Control
    https://www.simplecontrol.com

    Kramer Control
    https://control.kramerav.com/control....

    Anymote
    https://anymote.io

    Crestron App
    https://www.crestron.com/products/mod...

    Control 4
    https://www.control4.com

    DemoPad
    http://www.demopad.com

    Netio
    http://netio.davideickhoff.de/en/
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  • >>May I suggest we set up a new topic for each alternative to iRule instead? <<

    Or, at the very least, state which alternative you are posting about when you write things like "I tried it and found it too complex." "It" doesn't help us much.

    Quote-backs can be useful.................
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  • Houser fantastic idea. I would like to offer the consideration to remove Kramer, Crestron, and Control4 from the list as they require some sort of professional to integrate - they are not truly DIY, which is what I believe is the anchor here.

    For each topic, it would also be great if we could come up with a standard set of questions answered at the top of each topic so that we may have side-by-side comparisons. Here's a start. Please offer your suggestions to add/remove to these:

    What OS's is it compatible with?
    Does it have an IR Database?
    Does it allow custom design/graphics?
    Is it cloud based or local?
    What are the costs?
    Is there custom hardware required?
    Compatability with:
    Global Cache
    Insteon
    ISY
    HTTP
    TCP
    Feedback
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