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iRule Alternative Disscusion

I love iRule, for all it's bugs of which I've posted about I have spent dozens (hundreds?) of hours learning feedbacks, variables, macros etc and loved using Se7en template to make great remotes. We have a few years now to find alternatives to iRule so let's start a topic with pictures, examples and hardware compatibility and plenty of discussion.

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  • Thanks all, for your assistance. I started working with DemoPad (the best I can with internet still down after 5 days). I’ve been able to create some graphics but still a LONG way to go. It looks like the best option considering longevity, and power. I see buttons that say Pro Set so I’m not sure if I have to use the pro version to make them work. If so I may switch to Home Control. Until I get internet back and can do more research, I can’t do a lot. If it becomes to daunting, I’ll switch over to Home Control.
    MPG732: thanks for the subpages tip.
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  • Ya, you kinda need internet. Once you get it back if you have questions, I started a thread over on AVS. http://www.avsforum.com/forum/93-remo...
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  • MPG732:
    Finally after 5 day have the internet back. Who knows how long that will last. A am a member of the AVS Forum so thanks for setting up a new thread.
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    • I believe you are confused. You just buy the app once. I did choose to pay the monthly fee to get the pro version, but DemoPad was a cheep replacement. In a lot of ways I found it better and easier to build then iRule was. It has been very stable App.
    • That’s correct. Once you go over one device there is an in app purchase of $30 plus tax and that’s a one tome thing. From that one time purchase you can add multiple devices. Even less expensive than iRule was initially. The forum help is quick from a DemoPad person and if that doesn’t solve an issue, an email gets answered promptly.
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  • Don, I never really was a fan of iRules drawers with the handles. I opted to have drawers open and close dependent on a condition or button press. The problem with iRule was populating the drawers with different content depending on the state of a device, ect... There were work arounds involving swapping buttons that where out of the drawers viewable window into it and buttons that where in the viewable window out to make room for the new buttons. A royal PITA to set up. You could always link to another drawer but it would not update unless you navigated to another page and then back to refresh it. I always thought it was a bug that never got fixed.

    With Home Remote there is a visibility parameter that allows you to stack drawers (grids or canvases in Home Remote lingo) one on top of another. And make them visible or hidden based on the on/off state of the device, input selected, of any other variable. This makes things so much easier.

    The pictured gif is left side of my build cropped down, and represents a single page in the build dedicated to my living room. The different variations you see are being hidden and revealed based on the input I have selected. There really is no reasonable limit to the number of different drawers you can have stacked. The important thing is they can all be on a single page.

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  • Pretty impressive.
    Mine is pretty basic so the draws worked OK for me. See image. The image up loaded was a page for my new Sony 4K Projector. Somewhat incomplete as I am still finding IR and IP codes for the projector and 120” Elite screen.

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  • Karen Evil 9
    OK I’m really trying here with Home Remote. But there are no preformatted buttons in the designer and I haven’t been successful in trying to get my iRule image libraries so I can use them. What am I missing?
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  • Don, what images are you looking for? You can get them yourself if you have access to a Windows computer.

    Another place to look is:

    http://getirule.com/support/download/

    And if there are not too many I would consider copying them for you.
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  • >>John Wallace 5 minutes ago
    How do I extract the seven images from the link, I only get some PSD files?<<

    John. PSD files are for Photoshop. You would use Photoshop to get to the layers you want and then save as PNG files to preserve the transparent background.
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  • Hi,

    Yes I opened them in Photoshop, I get a strange result.
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  • While the psd are useful for creating custom buttons. It would probably be easer just to drag and drop the buttons you want from the library if you plan on using the existing iRule seven buttons. Unfortunately the unpressed buttons are transparent white on a white background so it makes it really hard to know what you are looking at. I had suggested to the iRule developers that the change the background in the button view to a color other than white so the buttons would be visible but they never changed it. If you are on android the buttons in your build reside on your device after a sync.
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  • John, you are on your own there. I know pitifully little about Photoshop. Drop in on the Arts Department at a local community college and they will know.
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  • New to the forum here. Figured it was time to start looking for alternative control software. I’ve used Irule for years an I’m very sad to see it go! So from the suggestions above, it looks like I will give DemoPad a shot. Here is a screenshot of one of my pages. Will demopad get me the same results.
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  • Yes as long as you have that graphic set to import.
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  • Thanks for the quick reply! I know this is probably not the best place to ask this, but what is the difference between the free basic design software and the pro design version that is $8 a month?
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  • Check on the DemoPad site as it will explain the difference. I am using the basic and it’s wotking fine. I like the latitude of being able to design on the PC and move buttons around with the mouse. I thought that there was a steep learning curve but in the end I am now using DemoPad exclusively. It looks like you have some “draws” in your page. They are called “subpages” in DP. Join the forum as the DP people and members are very helpful.many of the processes in iRule are performed behind the scenes. In DP you are going to have to learn how ‘flags” work as they are very important in making things like “subpages” appear and disappear. You can use the DP design software for free which includes one IP controlled device. If you want more devices (IR controlled components) are not considered devices, it will cost you a one time charge of I believe $40. To me it took a lot of help (freely given) and hours to get mine set up. I mimicked what I had in iRule and once that was working I started making changes. DP has a number of backgrounds and buttons. If you have your own graphics that’s even better. Good luck.
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  • I don't know to much about Demopad but others have spoken highly of it. If you are like most who have moved on from iRule you will not be missing it for long. There are just better options out there. This is a demo of my latest project created with Home Remote.

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XO...
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    As Karn Evil has stated, there are good alternatives out there.
    After trying Demopad, TouchControl and Home Remote, I have gone with Home Remote as I have been able to completely duplicate my iRule setup and IMPROVED it using Home Remote - I love the visibility options you have with it - much better than drawers etc I had to use in iRule.
    I now have over 75 pages using 35 plus devices ranging from Home Cinema, Media Servers, Bluray's units, Soundbars, HI-Fi amps, TV's, CCTV, Radio's, Power switches plus easy access to web pages!!
    I use Global Cache RS232 & IR, IP, HTTP & TCP to control my devices and none has been a problem once I understood the logic ( Thanks to Bill at Home Remote).

    I am always "tinkering" with my setup to improve it and LOVE how easy it is to make a small adjustment then test it straight away on my Windows PC (without the need to upload it to a Server!!) to make sure I have the result I want before simply transferring it to my iOS and Android devices.
    Being able to use Home remote on all my windows PC's and laptops is also great - something I could not do with iRule.

    Everyone will have to decide where they move their setup's to but I am really, really impressed with how much (almost instant) help you get from Bill at Home Remote.
    He listens to your requirements and, if he can, he will quickly adapt the HR system to meet the ever changing requirements of its users - especially ones like me who, being in the UK, use different devices (like the Keene IR Matrix which I use to distribute some of my IR around my home).

    Good luck to everyone on changing but I can thoroughly recommend Home Remote.
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  • I feel that both DemoPad and Home Remote will suit you just fine. They both have great email support. They both pretty much control every thing that iRule does. IP, IR, GC devices, etc..... They both handle feedback very well, maybe even better then iRule did. I have used both and functionality wise I think they are about the same. Both are a low cost alternative to iRule. I do prefer DemoPad for Home Remote have a much steeper learning curve. Most of the guys here seemed to have been spending months setting up Home Remote, where DemoPad guys seem to to spend a week or two and pretty much have it all done. Coming from iRule, the builder software is more familiar on DemoPad. I do pay for the pro version. I don't have a problem paying a small monthly fee if it help keeps a company going that hopefully doesn't disappear like iRule did. That was the downfall of iRule. We saw the end coming long before it did. This kind of product has a limited amount of customers. iRule was completely dependent on sales of the product to stay a viable business. We know sales slowed way down as the market got saturated. We know this from the lack of new people coming to the forums and lack of development. Which is a concern I have for Home Remote. How long will Bill keep this going if he has no revenue stream. At some point hes going to have to charge for his time, or hes developing Home Remote to hopefully sell it off at some point down the road. No matter where we go, we never know what the future will bring. You kinda roll the deice on that. All we can do is hope we pick the right product that will stick around. Now if your interested in DemoPad I started a thread on AVS Forums.

    http://www.avsforum.com/forum/93-remo...

    Good Luck,
    Mike
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  • Im still on iRule, but not keen on spending more time on it. I have a dedicated home theater with some automation, but almost only one source, running kodi. Something that did work with iRule, but not that well. I never got the keyboard working, so had to type titles with arrows and on screen keyboard (unacceptable). Also feedbacks from kodi in iRule never really worked. I used a URL with a web interface and a lot of tweaks. Countless hours spent...

    So my question for you guys: If kodi is the main deal for me, what would be the best iRule alternative?
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  • I don't use Kodi any more, moved over to Plex, but when I did use Kodi with DemoPad, I did have Kodi working nicely. I had feedback working including a progress slider. As for keyboard, I think your going to run into the same issues. I know guys have gotten some type of keyboard to work, just not sure how. I believe each key is a macro, with select then the key itself and then right arrow or some thing like that. I also used one of Kodi web interface in DemoPad to surf and launch movies from. I don't remember which one I used but one worked better then the others. I also had it so once I selected and started playing a movie from the web interface, DemoPad would jump back to my Kodi control page. I did find that web pages worked much better in DemoPad then in iRule. I think you are just going to have to play around a bit on the keyboard. I was very happy back when I was using it.
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  • I am using Home Remote with the yarc web interface for Kodi that I modified slightly. I tested awxi, yarc and arch interfaces and on all three the search function works with the native os keyboard. I am running Android.
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  • One thing I didn't think of. If you are on Android, I would go with Home Remote and not DemoPad. If you are on IOS I would recommend DemoPad over Home Remote for I feel its a much more polished system.
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  • Well I am happy to say I now have every thing running in DemoPad. For years I had a laptop running EventGhost to run a few scripts that I where not able to do in iRule. Now I have been able to do it all in DemoPad. The last few things where my DirecTV feedback, which includes a progress slider and duration of whats on. Which if you don't know DirecTV uses Epoch time. I was able to break it down to give me the length and display the duration of the show/movie. I also have a fully fictional alarm clock that I can set to any time I want. Then launches an series of events that wake me up in the morning. I have been very happy with DemoPad.
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