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Signing my content rights away with the new Jolicloud EULA?

To follow on from Judland's question from a couple of months ago on "Would like some clarification of the Jolicloud EULA"

The new EULA says:

"You retain your rights to any Content you submit, post or display on or through the Jolicloud Services. By uploading, submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through the Jolicloud Services, you grant Jolicloud a worldwide, perpetual, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, reproduce, process, adapt, modify, publish, transmit, display and distribute such Content in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed)."

If

"You retain your rights to any Content you submit, post or display on or ***through the Jolicloud Services***",

what does;

"By uploading, submitting, posting or displaying Content on ***or through the Jolicloud Services***, you grant Jolicloud a worldwide, perpetual, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, reproduce, process, adapt, modify, publish, transmit, display and distribute such Content in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed)."

mean?

Surely by using Jolicloud at all then you are using Jolicloud Services to post any form of content.

Is the term "Content" restricted to anything posted directly on the Jolicloud services such as reviews, tweets user chat etc., or does it extend to anything you post such as to Google Sites or Facebook?

I could understand the new EULA if it said:

"You retain your rights to any Content you submit, post or display on or through the Jolicloud Services. By uploading, submitting, posting or displaying ***Content on the Jolicloud Services****, you grant Jolicloud a worldwide, perpetual, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, reproduce, process, adapt, modify, publish, transmit, display and distribute such Content in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed)."

i.e. anything posted ***on*** Jolicloud Services but excluding ***through*** Jolicloud services.

But that is not what it says and what it *does* say looks like a very scary EULA to me.
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  • I’m frustrated
    This isn't fixed yet?!

    I love Jolicloud and I've been with it from the start. I'm hoping this EULA nonsense gets resolved because it is really not that hard and I don't wanna have to stop using it. As it stands, I've been very limited in my used and still run xp on my netbook for anything important because I feel that there I can at least retain a little bit of privacy at the moment.

    That being said, I think that what it means by "through Jolicloud services" is through the Jolicloud social stream, or through their websites. Chromium is not a Jolicloud service, but rather one utilized by a Jolicloud Service (Jolicloud itself) so it has its own EULA as does OpenOffice, Dropbox, etc. If so far, I am correct, there should be no problem using those programs as usual and maintaining your rights to it. My main concern is once I save my documents, are they considered to be posted on a Jolicloud service and free game?

    I am not a legal expert! None of us really are. I've learned that when it comes to law, "Never say never and always avoid always" because unless thoroughly explaned, nothing can be certain and even then, there is usually a loophole.

    Jolicloud, lets get this resolved please. I promote you guys like crazy and the last few days I've had 3 people install Jolicloud as there main distro and I plan to enlighten many more but this EULA is killing my confidence in the OS I've become so accustomed to.

    Lets fix this and if you need any help from us, let us know and we will do our best!
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  • I’m happy
    I don't think there is a resolution to this. It is what it is, and if you don't agree with it then don't use jolicloud. Jolicloud has to make money somehow, and if that means by selling your content and/or personal information, at least they aren't hiding it from us. Unlike how facebook/twitter/etc hide it but sell it anyway.

    If you really feel like it's a problem *and* you will not stop using jolicloud, then enable incognito mode in the nickle/chromium browser.
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  • I’m a face with a line for a mouth
    george, that makes sense but it is not right and the issue should not be avoided by the company. I LOVE Jolicloud. I promote it as if I made it myself and though I'm a founding member, I didn't do much compared to what they've done.

    They are being asked a simple question: What is private and what is not when I use your operating system. Why see mention of this in the EULA but it is not very clear so if they are going to take our information, we need to know what information that is. The point of a EULA george is to let the user know where he'she stands in terms of rights and privacy.

    This EULA does not clearly state our level of privacy and so it is flawed as a EULA and that needs to be fixed. We know facebook has access to anything we through up on our walls, any polls we answer, any surveys we take, any likes and dislikes, and so on. we DO NOT know what it is that Jolicloud is taking and that is the problem here.

    A knowledgeable response from a Jolicloud individual that leads to some real results would be very much appreciated here.
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  • Hmmmm.

    It's over a month since I posted my question and there doesn't seem to be anyone out there in pretty cloud space who will stand up and clearly state what the EULA means.

    In the meanwhile I have found this:

    http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story....

    Quote: " ... be aware we do not have access to the content you create from applications beside the Jolicloud desktop."

    The corollary to this is that Jolicloud *do* have access to content you create on your Jolicloud desktop.

    Oh no.

    Not my desktop you don't because that's one OS that I'll just be installing in the bin.
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  • By 'Jolicloud Desktop', it means the launcher, itself. Things like web apps that are created can be accessed because they're integrated with the launcher, which is an HTML5 back end to the OS.
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  • Zak,

    Thanks for your reply. That helps a little but what about stuff the user does offline?

    Your sat on a beach. You have no internet access. Your creating some wonderful artwork in Gimp or maybe Open/Libre Office Draw, based on on the fantastic views around you.

    You get to somewhere with internet access. Log in.

    You open your artwork file.

    Maybe you email it to your publisher or your agent.

    At what point does Jolicloud gain access to your artwork?

    Another example.

    I'm doing some internet banking. I finish the transaction and I do a print to pdf of the transaction acknowledgement slip (my bank tells me to print it and I would anyway as it's the only record I have of the transaction).

    I save this pdf to my desktop.

    This pdf has quite a lot of my bank account details in it.

    So, who has access to that file now?

    It's this sort of thing that raises some very serious questions in my mind.
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  • EMPLOYEE
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    Hi there,

    When you read and quote a paragraph from the Terms of Services, keep in mind the introduction that, I think, is answering your question.

    These are the terms of service (ToS) (the “Terms”) associated with the use of this website (available at http://www.jolicloud.com/ – the “Site”), any information, text, graphics, or other materials created and/or provided by Jolicloud and appearing on the Site (the “Content”), any services provided by Jolicloud SAS (“Jolicloud”) via the Jolicloud Desktop (“Jolicloud Services”) and the access to third party’s services provided through the Site and/or Services (the use of such services shall be governed specific third party ToS).


    In other words:

    • If you link your Dropbox or Google Docs account, we access the files only to make them available for you. We don't use or sell them!

    • For Joli OS, we do not have access to the content you create from applications beside the Jolicloud desktop (OpenOffice, Gimp, etc...).



    By the way, for those who are wondering about the credentials for the Dropbox or Google Docs integration, check this topic.
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