Integrating Google Talk (IM) & Google Voice SMS/Voicemail?

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Any chance GTalk and GVoice will integrate? I am developing a custom lockscreen but I feel it really works better as a home-based setup like your team has devised rather than a lockscreen. I've been in contact with several devs about supporting these as I find among the apps with similar goal (converged information preview), they don't yet support converging events from these into the unified view. I'd like to start on it in my app with a priority but I don't want to detract from the excellent options provided by SlideScreen and the others I've tried
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Both of those are pretty high on the list. It looks like GTalk is much easier than Google Voice, but at some point we'll support both.
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I hope "some point" for google voice is not far off -- I don't use regular SMS at all, so it'd be a beautiful dream to have GV integration for, SMS messages especially!
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Agreed with the others. This is essential on the Android. My friends and I don't use regular messaging or our regular numbers. SMS and voice calls are all handled by Google Voice.
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Confirmed. I do not use SMS at all, everything I do is with Google Voice.
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+1 I do not use Android's Messaging but Google Voice instead. This would be great to have in SlideScreen!
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remember UK users. we have no google voice, so if it greatly increases the size or bulk of slidescreen it will all be to waste on us. If this addition ends up slowing down the rest of the app, please consider releasing a second version or an add on to enable the voice functionality.

(gTalk is a must however)
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@dinkydarko you mean all users worldwide except the US I think (not 100% sure about Canada). Then again, the pro version of slide screen isn't available in every country either as there are plenty where users can't buy apps yet.
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I like the interface, but like many others I use my Google Voice account for SMS, and I will likely buy this home replacement once I can change this setting.
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I like the interface, but like many others I use my Google Voice account for SMS, and I will likely buy this home replacement once I can change this setting.
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This is great news. As an open source project I love to point my users at other projects that complement the total experience we're going for. Do you think that the slidescreen project will ever provide a customizable widget which we could then host on the custom lockscreen? I find that this is the simplest way (given the limitations of implementing a custom lockscreen) to support other apps. We're implementing appwidgethost in the custom lockscreen component. The goal initially with that was to support some of our own widgets but also provide compatibility with Executive Assistant which is another app that approaches the converged event viewing but does not implement it as a home replacement.
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Google Voice Voicemail integration is something I'd really really like to see. This is by far the number one enhancement I am looking for with SlideScreen. Google Talk would be nice, but Google Voice is essential.
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Once google voice is supported, I can definitely see myself getting this application. Even if temporarily the only support is to change the sms button to launch google voice instead, even without showing the sms messages. That alone for now would be enough to purchase the app.
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Is it just Gtalk integration being worked on or are there others? (MSN, Facebook Chat etc)
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I'd say GTalk will be first because there's support built into the phone, but if there's also some support for those other networks in there then we'll do them at the same time.
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I agree with Harrison's statement: "Even if temporarily the only support is to change the sms button to launch google voice instead, even without showing the sms messages." I would buy the app if this were possible.
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I'll buy the application when it has Google Voice support, but can't use it without.
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Seperating Google Voice's voicemail and SMS in to seperate lines would be awesome.
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GTalk is essential for me. Having a notification would be really good. I don't use or can use Google Voice, so that's not important for me.
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YES. This is needed.
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Ok guys don't mean to be rude but I think they get the picture. They've already responded and advised that this functionality will be added soon anyway.
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I think its more a matter of people showing their support for this feature so that larva labs can put the appropriate priority on this. I for one will be very happy to when they include this and I hope they take it as the comments of potential customers, not people just criticizing.

Of course now I sound like I'm doing PR for the commenters.
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Yeah, for me it's not about blasting them, but about showing that each and every person who wants this places a priority on it over, say... Myspace integration ;-)
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I'm all for Google Talk integration, but have no interest in Voice, personally.

However, I hope having working Reader integration for Apps users is of a higher priority than this. :/
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As I use Google Voice for all my calls and SMS, this is an absolute necessity for me to use SlideScreen. The concept behind it is great, and I would really like to see GV integration so that I could use it.
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Yep, another Google Voice user here. I have my Google Voice SMS forward to Gmail where it gets assigned a unique label since gmail gets pushed to the phone which is something GV lacks. Would it be possible to have the SMS portion of Slidescreen also classify emails with a specific label as SMS?
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One more vote for GTalk, must have. Looking forward to Google Voice later as well. Will gladly pay for it.
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Gtalk integration should be nice. no interest in Google Voice 'cause I can't use it in Italy ATM.
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Google Talk would be great!
I love Slidescreen and I am waiting for any update! (especially Gtalk and Facebook :)
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Another vote for GV integration.
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I would really like to see a unified SMS section which has both Google Voice SMS and regular phone SMS.
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Thinking more about GV integration... because the email alert for GV messages always arrives before it is retrieved by the GV client on the phone, it becomes redundant. Ideally, it would be better if SlideScreen could mark the GV alert email as read and pull the GV message text into the SMS section on the home screen. (This is asking a lot, I know.) Further, when clicking it, SlideScreen should launch GV to enable a quick reply. This would be worth big money to me!!

Since Art raised the issue of combining GV SMS with regular SMS, I wanted to mention that paying for a carrier SMS plan is not necessary when GV is available and so well integrated. I'd suggest terminating the SMS service unless your monthly fee is the same with or without it.
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Thanks for the tip, but there are a couple of barriers to me switching to GV completely. The biggest issue is a lot of my contacts don't know my GV number yet and still txt my Verizon number. A secondary issue is the lack of push notifications for GV. Sometimes polling every 5 minutes for a txt just isn't good enough.
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Sure Art. By the way, I would contact you via direct message, but can't see how to do that here. GV will do push notification via email. You have to check the box in the Settings. This is what I meant by 'redundant' notifications.

To change over to GV, what my wife did was set her carrier voicemail greeting to state she is no longer at this number and listed the new number. After a couple weeks, we cut off the SMS plan. She gets a lot of texts and people got the idea right away. I was fortunate to start fresh leaving an old corporate number behind. To contact me directly, put "ingfellow" at the end of my user name... at gmail.
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art.jacobson, I don't even use the google voice app for sms unless i'm starting a new thread. You can just reply to the emails, which with the pushing of emails is near instant. I made the switch to GV from an old number, it was easy since I just made the switch and stopped accepting anything on the old number :) Anyway, moral of the story is you can just reply to the emails and GV will send the text message for you.
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Interesting, I didn't know that! I have email notifications turned off since I get them through the Google Voice app. I may have to play with your solution.
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+1 For GV integration! Awesome product!
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If only GV had push API :/
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This is a big problem for us. We're trying to figure out how to do GV, but the solutions we can come up with so far aren't very satisfying. Ideally Google would allow integration with their GV android app, but so far no luck there.
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Thanks, I've seen that. The problem is it's not push, so likely your Google Voice app would get notified well before we'd get around to checking, so you'd almost always be out of date on the home screen. That would lead to a lot of complaints I'm afraid.
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You could just poll every 5 mins or so, like you do with Twitter and Facebook, just more frequently. I, for one, would prefer delayed notices as opposed to no GV integration!

Awesome app regardless!!!
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what about setting it to check every min or so for 5 mins after a call comes in?
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Nice idea homelessbrian!
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That is a great idea, would be an interesting way to handle the calls side of the data. Notifying of new SMS type messages would still be slow, but maybe this puts it over the top and makes it worthwhile.
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Polling every 5 minutes sounds like a decent idea that should satisfy most regular GV users. I would also think about giving choices like the other services (10/15/30/60 mins) for those like myself who use GV, but don't need the immediate push. My main concern is that your GV solution is NOWHERE near the resource beast that the G.Voice app is (especially on the G1). That would make me not use it with SSP. As a demo user that purchased after 2 days of use, I say thanks and keep up the great work!
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Well here's the problem exactly, and what is holding up this implementation. To deliver this info in a reasonable amount of time we'll be using a lot of resources. Waking up the phone every 5 mins to poll for calls/texts is going to use battery, no two ways about it. So we're worried about putting in the work necessary to get the info, and then get bombarded with battery complaints. It maybe be a bit of a no win scenario here unless we can figure out some kind of proper push technology.
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Matt, thanks for the candid reply. I agree with you, we shouldn't cripple SSP simply for adding GV... and I'm a heavy GV user! I'd rather Google implement push similar to the Gmail app. It would be much cleaner than coding it into SSP, and anything that saves battery life on my Hero is welcome.
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Is there a problem with letting the user enable it via checkbox with a description that obviously warns the user: "WARNING, MAY CAUSE YOU TO KEEP YOUR PHONE PLUGGED IN 24 HOURS A DAY!" There would be no excuse for someone to email in complaining of battery issues I would hope.
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Matt (Hall) I have an idea that might be a reasonable workaround for now that could also help alleviate facebook notification concerns.

The plan would be to instruct users to setup a label in their gmail account for Voice with a specific title (say..."GV" or "Google Voice") then setup Voice to forward to your email and have a filter to have those voicemails sent directly to the new label (all much easier than it sounds). Then have slidescreen respond to pushes from that label by making an entry in a Voice line, instead of the gmail email line. You could have actions on this line link to the voice app and possibly tell voice to refresh (which might even serve to act as push for the voice app).

This same thing could be implemented for facebook notifications. Also, in the case of facebook, you could have the notification entry link directly to the browser page specified by the link in the notification email.
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Hey matt. I think the method I explained a few comments ago would be a pretty decent workaround. Have it check for a GV message every minute for 5 mins after a call comes in. After that 5 min time period have it do regular checks every half hour or so.
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Brian, that's a great idea for phone calls, but doesn't help us for texts. So we'd be stuck doing the polling anyway.

JediDove, that's a cool solution, I'm worried that it'd be way to much setup for us to expect from people. I wonder if we could detect the email automatically though? I guess the question then is if yoiu're already getting an email why do you need us to notify you again in a separate section? Seems to be a pretty minor win in that case maybe.
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Personally, I want my voice and facebook notifications independent of my email notifications. I agree that it is a bit of setup, maybe there is an automatic way. But it would be nice to keep it all separate even if it has to be routed through gmail behind the scenes. Ideally I'd like a different LED color notification for each data type so I could peek at my phone after a vibe and know what just came through without interrupting a conversation etc. For facebook it would be nice to see a modified update data on the screen so instead of the emailer and subject it would have the friend name and content, then directly link to facebook. For gv if you could force a gv refresh on the email push then link to the app, it would be effectively push gv. The important part is that the user doesn't see the gmail doing its job. No email notification, no cluttered inbox.
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Do you have access to messages that skip the inbox? I don't know what the various APIs allow, but if you could somehow have access to a message that skipped inbox but still had a specific label...

If you have the filter bypass the inbox as well as apply a label, it doesn't go to the Slidescreen email notifier (I use this setup right now to keep what I label as "Facebook Junk" -- notifications from Facebook from popping up on the homescreen, as they are very low priority. I think JediDove has an AWESOME idea, and I also think it is not unreasonable to ask people to do such setup until a more rigid solution is found. It really isn't that obnoxious to set up, and would be a boon to those of use who are trying to get people to use our google voice #s exclusively (I hate when my friends are getting punched by my 3 different phone numbers I use -- I want them to only see the GV # so they don't complain about my many # identities lol)
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Tim you hit the nail on the head. In case my idea wasn't clear, I had hoped it could be done with a filter that skips the inbox. The only consideration is how to get slidescreen to archive the contents of that label after reading.
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http://googlevoiceblog.blogspot.com/2...

Google Voice adds push to sms.
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http://googlevoiceblog.blogspot.com/2...

Google Voice adds push to sms.
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Huh, I wonder if its just a coincidence that today I went to txt someone and it asked me if I wanted to use Voice or Messaging. I thought I had messaging as the default and I didn't download this update yet... Either way, YES, no excuse now for slidescreen support! Maybe I'll actually use Voice for SMS now...or maybe not...idk. Definitely turning off gmail forwarding and SMS forwarding for voicemail.

It's funny though, I've always gotten the voice notification within a minute of the email and SMS.
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So I guess the question here is what would you guys like to see in terms of integration? I mean if the SMSes already come in via normal SMS, and Voicemails get notified via email - what would you like Slidescreen to do? Just handle the shortcut buttons better?

Maybe I should make a new topic for this or something.
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So I guess the question here is what would you guys like to see in terms of integration? I mean if the SMSes already come in via normal SMS, and Voicemails get notified via email - what would you like Slidescreen to do? Just handle the shortcut buttons better?

Maybe I should make a new topic for this or something.
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Well now with push notifications, most people will not have the SMS sent to their messaging app, and will not have voicemail sent to email. Now the voice app can stand alone. It would be great to integrate both the voice and messaging SMS data into the txt line. Have each txt link to the apppropriate app for the number it was sent to. Add a setting to choose which app that the icon launches.

Then add a line (or somehow integrate with the phone line) for voicemail which would link to the message in the voice app. With push, using email and SMS notifications is unecessary and messy.
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I agree with jedidove. I don't use carrier SMS anymore since I started using Google Voice therefore I don't have the SMS SS feature enabled. Now that Google Voice push notifications are working, I no longer need GV txts to be forwarded to my email, I can rely solely on the GV app. For me, forwarding GV txt to my gmail was just a hack to enable me to respond to txts immediately.

So, being able to enable a GV SMS SS feature so that these txts now show up on SS in their own separate section would be awesome.
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I agree with jedidove. I don't use carrier SMS anymore since I started using Google Voice therefore I don't have the SMS SS feature enabled. Now that Google Voice push notifications are working, I no longer need GV txts to be forwarded to my email, I can rely solely on the GV app. For me, forwarding GV txt to my gmail was just a hack to enable me to respond to txts immediately.

So, being able to enable a GV SMS SS feature so that these txts now show up on SS in their own separate section would be awesome.
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I agree with jedidove. I don't use carrier SMS anymore since I started using Google Voice therefore I don't have the SMS SS feature enabled. Now that Google Voice push notifications are working, I no longer need GV txts to be forwarded to my email, I can rely solely on the GV app. For me, forwarding GV txt to my gmail was just a hack to enable me to respond to txts immediately.

So, being able to enable a GV SMS SS feature so that these txts now show up on SS in their own separate section would be awesome.
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Super stoked to see GV integration in SS!

Matt Hall: If there's anything we can help with, let us know! Off-topic, but... I work at Twitter and have been showing off SS around the office. Lots of ooooh's and ahhhhh's! Keep up the awesome work!
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Super stoked to see GV integration in SS!

Matt Hall: If there's anything we can help with, let us know! Off-topic, but... I work at Twitter and have been showing off SS around the office. Lots of ooooh's and ahhhhh's! Keep up the awesome work!
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Ok, let me look into how the new version of the GV app is working, maybe there's something we can trigger off of to know when there's a new message. That would be the ideal situation. Otherwise we'll be stuck polling, so I'm not sure how popular that would be now that GV has official push support.

Stirman - thanks for the promotional efforts! That's why we work so hard on this thing, the oooh's and ahhh's!
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I just want to make the nitpicking distinction that it is the "Voice" app, or the official "Google Voice" app. Reason being, there is another voice app called "GV" that people use that is third party.

How do you guys do email and messaging right now? Wouldn't it just be the same way? I think it acts exactly like gmail.
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We do email through undocumented calls to things that the gmail engineers left available for access. Almost no other app has those kinds of things available unfortunately.
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Oh, the life of the undocumented code.

On an unrelated note (to Voice, at least), how does Slidescreen access Google Reader's articles? What in particular makes the process so draining? I ask out of curiosity as a Computer Engineering Student, rather than curiosity as a user, I should add.
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Oh, the life of the undocumented code.

On an unrelated note (to Voice, at least), how does Slidescreen access Google Reader's articles? What in particular makes the process so draining? I ask out of curiosity as a Computer Engineering Student, rather than curiosity as a user, I should add.
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The problem there is that the Google Reader feed is pretty simple, it doesn't have any capability to return only new, changed, or whatever articles. It also can only return full article text, so just checking if an article is read requires downloading the whole thing. Radio is one of the more battery intensive things you can do on the phone so that's why it's so expensive.
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I don't mean to be contradictory, but this article seems to suggest one can have Google reader retrieve only unread articles with a parameter of "xt=[exclude target]" (if this is indeed the method which Larvalabs is using to talk to Reader).

Am I correct in thinking that SlideScreen, based on your comment, basically pulls a huge chunk of my reader data and then linearly iterates through each one to check for 'read' status? Would it be less time consuming to merely poll for unread items every so often, and dump the old data, rather than try to check against what you've got and calling queries in the process?
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I don't mean to be contradictory, but this article seems to suggest one can have Google reader retrieve only unread articles with a parameter of "xt=[exclude target]" (if this is indeed the method which Larvalabs is using to talk to Reader).

Am I correct in thinking that SlideScreen, based on your comment, basically pulls a huge chunk of my reader data and then linearly iterates through each one to check for 'read' status? Would it be less time consuming to merely poll for unread items every so often, and dump the old data, rather than try to check against what you've got and calling queries in the process?
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GV has push now
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GV has push now
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GV has push now
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I think others may have already pointed this out, but having the GV texts show up in the SMS portion of SlideScreen and the calls show up in the missed calls section of Slidescreen would be really neat.
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Exactly.