[CUSTOMIZATION] Define artist image as pinned.

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I feel sorry to start this suggestion by saying that a plenty lot of users want it to be implemented, but I don't know if they didn't even make a request or if last.fm staff are turning their faces and ignoring user satisfaction. Now, let's get to the problem before showing up the idea.

Above all, the last.fm premise of keeping photos with the best ratio (best positive and negative proportion among all) as the first photo and the main artist cover sounds interesting, as it shows up a form of attending satisfaction from the most users. Unfortunately, it fails miserably, and here's why:

  • Users are creating multiple accounts to give positives and negatives to the photos they want just to keep their favorites on top. In addition to that, last.fm's current system does NOT stop or reduce the incidence of these accounts, since it tries to solve the problem by attacking it's effect;
  • The user satisfaction premise losts itself thanks to the multiple accounts problem;
  • Other users gets unsatisfied because not all of them want this specific photo. Pictures with the best ratio does NOT mean they're the best picture among all, since it's a question of personal taste. Users who are currently unsatisfied will remain unsatisfied if they can't get their pictures as the main artist cover;
  • Some have an overwhelming unsatisfaction and even delete their scrobbles in order to remove that unwanted main picture in their library;
  • The scrobble deleting causes, even if not a major one, an impact in last.fm scrobbling system and these artists will have less scrobbles than they actually should have just because of a simple picture as a cover image;
  • This also shows up as a lack of customization issue;

After reading that, you should be thinking:
Okay, this really causes a lot of troubles just because of a simple issue. But since it's categorized as an idea, how are we (the last.fm staff) supposed to solve it? Keeping on mind that the best suggestions tend to be simple, constructive, and bring clear benefits to the entire community, as well as yourself.
Fortunately, this all can be solved as simple as adding an "Define image as pinned." button beside the photo, just like the "like" and "dislike" buttons are. The image the user choosed as pinned would be featured in his library as if it was the main artist image. In addition to that, the positive and negative system would remain and should still keep pictures with the best ratio on top, but it would now show up as a honest system that would feature real votes, reducing both the need of multiple accounts and scrobble deleting issues, bringing considerable and undeniable benefits for the whole community.
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Gabriel

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James Joul

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I believe there is a feature already in place to prevent this. Users must first reach a Scrobble threshold before they're allowed to access some features such as voting for images, uploading pictures or posting shouts. But of course it's not perfect, nothing is. There are people still using multiple accounts to upload and vote up their own images. For example 7/10 of the top images on Grimes' page are uploaded by the same user.

I love your idea though. I've always wanted the ability to select my own 'main' image for artists. As with music, everyone has different opinions and tastes regarding artist pictures. To add to this, the option to display a custom selection of favourite artists on our profiles (again) would also be great  :)
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Gabriel

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This feature, though, does not works. Users are playing short songs and the scrobbles needed are as little as 10 scrobbles from any artist, any song. They won't give up until they get their favorite image on their library. Also, I can name an incident at Exo's page which I was featured in.

There was a new image but it was getting a lot of downvotes, so I told everyone in the shoutbox to check it out. Then another user appeared claiming it was an ugly picture. Everything was okay until that part. Right after, another user showed up accusing the previous user for having multiple accounts just to get their favorite image on top. He added himself:
There is no way for honest users to compete with an unoccupied person that spends all day creating accounts for flood. You all will stay with the old picture on your profile because the website's "boss" does not allow anyone to get new pictures up.
Then a lot of people showed up copying and pasting his text (it works like a retweet) until the user himself appeared and told that of course he has a lot fake accounts like a lot of people do.This clearly proves that last.fm's current system is NOT and will remain NOT efficient until they do something about it.
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James Joul

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Yes, unfortunately the current system isn't very effective but I haven't noticed too many issues myself. You could increase the Scrobble requirement specifically for image voting - but then you'd be denying that feature to a large number of users and there are probably programs out there that add Scrobbles to your account with the click of a button anyway.

I agree that selecting your own artist image is a great idea, and I'd love to see it myself! I can just imagine how my profile or library would look if I was able to choose the pictures myself.

However, I'm also worried that this option could be abused. What's to stop people creating throwaway accounts and uploading anything they want to artist pages to then have those images show up on their profile? It could potentially cause even more problems and require some form of moderation or reporting feature. I think that would be a fairly rare occurrence though, but in the grand scheme of things, so is voting up images with multiple accounts. 

I'm all for it though. Let me choose the images!  :)
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Gabriel

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I believe there would be no point on creating another account if this is implemented. The reason people create accounts is just to upvote or downvote pictures because they want a specific one to be at their library. The only thing I can think is if people upload innapropriate content and set it on their profile, but think with me: if they don't do it now, why would they ever do it after the update?

[NEWS] About the previous reply: the user which was attacked just claimed (you can check it by ourself on Exo's shoutbox page, translate it from portuguese to english) it was a boycott against him and that he was also claimed guilty by the same person at GOT7's page, pointing the other user as the real guilty. I wonder how last.fm staff will react or remain indifferent to this having in mind that this is also now causing riots between users.
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Gabriel

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Your idea is very good, but it's incomplete, though. What if the users upload innapropriate content to their profiles? How is last.fm staff is supposed to deal with this? This update you're suggesting would increase the incidence of these, right?
Wrong. The update would even reduce the ocurrence of these because:
  • If it happens on the current system it would show up in all libraries and affect the community as a whole.
  • The only images that could be defined as pinned would be the images that are available on the artist library.
  • After the update, it would only show to the user who pinned the image, reducing the impact drastically.

There was also an incident on Lady Gaga's page where Britney Spears' fans did try to upload an image that looked like Lady Gaga was preaching their idol and they have suceeded. The photo stayed on the top and showed up in the whole community for hours, until the downvotes won against the multiple accounts that have been upvoting it. This is why the update would work significantly/meaningly, because they would only be able to get it on their library instead of the whole community with the current system AND they would need to have the artist on his favorite artists, which wouldn't even happen in Lady Gaga's case since the Britney fans were sending hate on her. They won't get the funny pictures displayed on their profile since they don't even scrobble her music.
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Gabriel

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Yup, this abuse flag on pictures idea would certainly be extremely useful, too. And it is even more simple and could act as a complement for the update, everything would turn out way more easier if users could report any violation against last.fm's community rules. Well thinked!