Add a song threshold before voting on artist pictures

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https://www.last.fm/music/Pavement/+images/d2e7215d67c221732dbbf235a68ad15a

This picture had 21 upvotes and 3 downvotes literally 30 minutes ago.
Now it has 21 upvotes and 9 downvotes

Someone is using alt accounts to downvote any pictures they don't want and this is really frustrating. Please do something about this like add a song limit threshold before voting on pictures OR make us choose our own pictures.
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st-laurent

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Now it's 14 downvotes.
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Someone is going to town on Sonic Youth photos too. 

This one is constantly being forced to main whenever people decide to change it. I saw it go up by about 30 votes within the half hour. https://www.last.fm/music/Sonic+Youth/+images/8b9ca5dd884f4452ae0599bbc7445f9e
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There's already something like that. One can't vote straightaway without scrobbling any music.
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TBH, the more I think about this issue, the more I feel the best solution would be to have the ability to pin our own choice of main image. Leave it as default to use the voted-for main, but give frequent users of Last FM and who get annoyed by this (which I feel there are many, including myself) the chance to get round idiots abusing the system.

It would kill two annoying birds with one stone. Not only would you circumvent dickheads who use sockpuppet accounts to vote up their choice of image, but you would also allow contributing and active users to have current pictures for mains. Speaking personally, I have recently experienced the extreme frustration of trying to change main images for artists who have a mainly inactive userbase combined with old photos for mains that have too many up-votes to shift. I don't like bothering people with endless requests to up-vote this and down-vote that.

I don't feel song thresholds would work, as people are also abusing song submissions on the site all the time. Take a look at top listeners for major artists where some people think there's a massive cache in being one of the top 4 listed on the page, visit their pages and you will often see people who have got the same full-length song being repeated for days on end at the minimum 30 second threshold rather than the actual length of the track concerned. My personal solution to these users would be to lock-out their account for a good 30 days if they do this. I've said this before many moons ago on here, but I still reckon their should be a daily (or maybe weekly) cap on track submissions. They could use your Last Week data and temporarily freeze your profile if you've listened to music literally 24/7, i.e. not slept for 7 days on the trot, which nobody does. I personally use this as a gauge for unfollowing/not following people. If you're more concerned with being a Top Listener than having an accurate record of your real listening habits then you can GTFO as far as I'm concerned, lol
 
But I digress...

As I say, I personally feel the ideal solution is give users the ability to pin (from the images uploaded to an artist's image library) their choice of main photo, then we don't have to worry about the obviously broken voting system that is currently in place.
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I agree with most of this but I don't know if the continuous scrobble activity is necessarily a good barometer of whether someone's scrobbles are legit. Everything on my profile is stuff I've either already listened to or am going to listen to in the near future (i.e., I've already started a given playlist and just put the rest into the queue), but these days I do at least 90% of my listening either on a FiiO or on my car stereo, neither of which scrobble. This means that nearly everything I scrobble these days is played on my computer with the sound on mute - it's just a repeat of stuff I've already listened to or have queued up in my car/MP3 player. The times have absolutely no correlation to when I listened to the songs, but it's all legit. The thing is, though, that since some of these playlists are ridiculously long (I have about 5 days' worth of Grateful Dead on my FiiO for example), there are times when I have music playing continuously for an absurdly large amount of time.

Anyway, while I'm not opposed to a quota, I think perhaps the quota should be for number of scrobbles over a pretty long period of time (at least a month) rather than just over the last.week thing. And since I just bumped a suggestion that last.fm should implement a last.month feature, this seems to dovetail nicely with that.
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Having a requirement to have listened to an artist before being able to vote on their images is actually a really good idea. It'd work against people canvassing for people to upvote/downvote images (admittedly more of an issue in 2011 than it is today), it'd work against trolling, and it'd mean that the images are being ordered according to the artist's actual fans. I wouldn't set a quota beyond just needing to have scrobbled them, though.

Even better would be being able to pick your own image. Sometimes it can be frustrating if you like a certain era of an artist's work, but the photo is always a modern one or a different lineup. To give a major example, I know it's a problem for Bee Gees fans, as quite a few people only like their 1960s or five-piece era but the images are invariably always from the disco period. Letting the user display the image of their choice would help them to show off which era or mood of the band they're into.
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The only downside (beyond perhaps a coding difficulty?) of blocking users who haven't listened to an artist from voting is that you can't (potentially) ask friends/followers for help in shifting very old photos.

As you say, it can be frustrating when very old photos linger at the top when far more current ones are available that are also usually of a higher quality.

Ideally speaking, and I think most people on here seem to be in agreement, having the ability to pin your own personal main would be brilliant. You could still leave the current system as the default unless changed by the user. Aside from getting round image trolling, it would also add a subtle element of profile personalisation that a lot of people want brought back. I suppose it comes down to how easy this kind of feature would be to implement and whether it would cause excessive processing or storage problems for the Last FM servers.
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I don't know if that's necessarily a downside, though. I'm not really a fan of certain users being able to canvas people to get their own way. Is the opinion of a user with an army of friends more valid than the user without?

There's also whether "old" photos are a bad thing - should an artist active since the early 2000s, that might have recorded their most popular music in say 2005, have a photo from when they were most successful, or today? Should the image cater to the present or to the era most users are listening to? It's not always clear cut, really.

The images system would benefit from reform either way. Changing the vote weighting, taking on your suggestion to consider photo age in the algorithm (or even a one-time removal of old votes to acknowledge the larger user base 5-10 years ago), or the ideal of allowing users to select their own image as they wish would all be great, but as part of that more advanced system I'd still prefer if the defaults were voted on by those who've scrobbled the artist and not those dropping in to back up their friends.
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I was about to post this idea too. Some people abuse the system.
Some just want to vote a picture they don't like down.
But there are even people who hate a certain genre/artist so much that they take time out of their useless lifes to navigate to an artists page and somehow downvote pictures, and/or upvote really bad pictures.
I am serious. I've seen this happen on a lot of reggaeton artists.

I get it, you have a different taste than other people have and you are upset that other people don't have exactly the same taste as you do. xD

Just make the option available after having 100 plays of the artist. I know that's can also be altered. But... yeah. Every improvement helps. In my head it seems fairly easy to build in aswell, but that's up to a developer.
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