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I have just read this thread by a forum champion suggesting how to make good artist banners. While I appreciate the author's good intentions, does it not just strongly underline how terrible this banner thing is in its current format?

Isn't it about time Last FM abandoned how it currently fills this space? Images uploaded for the "main" image have different requirements to a header image, and trying to get users to upload two types of image to facilitate the new design layout is silly. If you ask me, the fact the header uses the first available landscape image screams "we didn't know what to fill this with so that will do". Any cursory testing of this code before it was pushed live would have shown that 99% of images and pages have headers that look terrible and something else should be used.....

Can I make a suggestion? Default the header image (on user profiles, at least) to a basic pattern jpeg, perhaps a Last FM logo inspired thing, but allow users to upload and create their own if they want. This helpfully kills two birds with one stone: the headers ALL OVER THE SITE will stop looking terrible AND there will be an added level of customisation to user profiles that so many people on here have been requesting for the past 18 months.

Thoughts?
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+1   I've suggested this so many times.

I spent a bit of time yesterday playing around with Stylish making some small changes to the site. I've been using a custom header image for months now. It's amazing how much better the whole website looks when you don't always have an artist's forehead at the top of every page.

This is what my profile looks like currently. I even made the progress bar for the player at the top bigger and removed the artwork - less clutter.

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It's amazing how much better the whole website looks when you don't always have an artist's forehead at the top of every page.
LOL indeed. I can only assume the Last FM testers all have a forehead fetish otherwise you would think someone would have gone "oh, wait a minute, this doesn't look good OR right".
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Forehead fetish, haha. I guess it could've been worse then.
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Exactly. Although, it would surely make our profiles look more interesting, considering how little personalisation we have at the moment.
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YES.

It's the best way to let us personalize our profiles more. It would be great if we could have a vote on this issue, maybe some kind of a poll or something, but I'm sure everyone would prefer having a header picture of their own choosing.  
Plus, I think it's easier for you guys as well, it's already hard for people to agree on the main artist photo, just imagine how many complaints there would be (and there is already a lot, imagine how it will increase once the website becomes fully functioning and more people are around) whether some photo makes a good banner, if the size is right, if only the top half is visible, etc....
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It would be great if we could have a vote on this issue, maybe some kind of a poll or something
A start, I hope, is that this thread becomes popular - so if you're reading this and not commenting, hit helpful/like or whatever - so that it gets acknowledged and acknowledged beyond a brush off "under consideration" tag.
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I am pretty sure this will get ignored Elliot but for what it's worth I support this suggestion 100 percent. I'd even be content with a generic last.fm themed background if they don't want users uploading their own images (for fear of abuse/copyright reasons maybe. although if this works on sites like Facebook and twitter i cannot see why it can't work on last.fm). Anything would be better than what we get now.
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if this works on sites like Facebook and twitter i cannot see why it can't work on last.fm
Excellent point - particularly since they rebranded "friends" as followers, akin to Twitter.
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YES! I am getting nauseous viewing the same head banner on my page. I suspect the administration is planning to build this option in the future.
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They won't because they need the room for more advertisement.
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The forum champion is just saying, "Here are the options available for the header image, deal with it."

...in a nicer way.
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Yeah, this isn't meant as a dig at him - not at all. More that the header issue is ridiculous and it needs sorting, as the current system really doesn't work.
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I'm just pointing out the way he goes about things. I mean, c'mon. What he's suggesting is pretty disastrous. Not to mention how this would affect the look on the artists' image galleries and the already broken voting system. He, in another, albeit, nicer way is just saying to just deal with it. Like other staff here, he's not being sympathetic or understanding what we really want.
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Like other staff here, he's not ... understanding what we really want.
Thing is, with this particular feature, I feel like what we're asking for is an improvement of the currently flawed design, rather than a selfish request or something additional. To all but the blind, the current headers are poorly implemented.
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This should be our choice. Its our page, how hard is that to understand. We spent hours looking at it everydat and we could very well improve our experience on the site by looking something we are able to customize. 
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We should have at least a minmal capacity to customize our own main page, you know. 
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No response from the staff yet??? Why not? Give us some words about this, lastfm.
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Im waiting...
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The selective responses from the staff are so frustrating.
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They have nothing to say. And never will, probably...
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it's a resounding no. or they haven't considered it/made up their minds yet.
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It's because the staff has a different point of view than us. They are not typical Last.fm users, they are barely Last.fm users to begin with. I mean, just because someone is scrobbling, doesn't mean that they are fully using the website.
There are exceptions, of course, some of them are active (but I can bet anything that 99% percent of them are not using every bit of this website like we did). 

That being said, I can understand why they don't see the problems that we see. For somebody who doesn't do much besides scrobbling - things are looking fine.
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To be honest, I mainly use Last FM for scrobbling/stat viewing, rather than all the groups and whatnot, and I certainly don't think it looks fine (in case you hadn't noticed, lol)

But you're right, they undoubtedly have a different perspective to us users, which is both a shame and wrong.
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It's because the staff has a different point of view than us. They are not typical Last.fm users, they are barely Last.fm users to begin with.
Yeah. One of the staff members, Jessicat31, writes articles on the features page telling us what music we should listen to - when she only averages 2 Scrobbles per day on her account. I find that odd.

I feel like Jon cares about the site and what happens to it. That's pretty evident from his posts, and I know he has an active account here. But maybe most of the other staff just don't really care. Perhaps it's more of a job than a real interest or passion. There's a bunch of staff accounts on here that have never even posted. 

It just seems rather illogical that they haven't improved the header image issue yet. They built this new site with a new modern design, only to have it ruined by the header - which is on every single page. It's like redecorating your home and then leaving the living room stripped bare. Doesn't make much sense to me. 
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Yeah, I definitely get the impression staff members are generally software developers first and music/Last FM lovers a very distant second.
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Yeah. One of the staff members, Jessicat31, writes articles on the features page telling us what music we should listen to - when she only averages 2 Scrobbles per day on her account. I find that odd.
I'm practically speechless...and this is coming from myself, averaging 25 scrobbles per day, minding my own business listening to what I like and not having much to brag about.

With the new direction last.fm has unfortunately taken, this has become their new way to keep on top of trends in this social media world. Except that their way is borderline pathetic by the looks of it.

I'm all for a new webpage redesign to be up to date, but not the way last.fm has done. Killing our ability to customize OUR page. Imposing things we don't want. Not listening to us. It's almost criminal.

Jon seems like a nice person. Can't say the same for the rest. :/
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Yeah. One of the staff members, Jessicat31, writes articles on the features page telling us what music we should listen to - when she only averages 2 Scrobbles per day on her account. I find that odd.

I am practically speechless, and this is coming from me, averaging almost 40 scrobbles per day, minding my own business listening to what I like and not having much to brag about, with the new direction last.fm has unfortunately taken, this has become their new way to keep on top of trends in this social media world.

Except that their way is borderline pathetic by the looks of it, I'm still waiting for a staff member to write an announcement where is saying how we will return the old last.FM back, or, at least return the organizations, journal portal, forum portal, being able to get informed about new comments that I received on my page and the list goes on and on and on. Honestly, why a staff member like her is recommending us what we should listen to when she is the one who didn't scrobble anything new since 2005? In 10 years she made it reach only 12 000 scrobbles. I have seen plenty of members who are friends of mine of this community who made to reach up to 2 million scrobbles in less than 3 years. By the way, where is CEO Community team to review this? Where did they go? Give us some words about this, Last.FM. What did took you so long to answer to our ideas?
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(Click to enlarge)

  • Removed missing artwork icon (top left)
  • Removed Top Track. Often missing the correct artwork on my profile. Less clutter.
  • More space between the masthead buttons and your profile picture to prevent accidental clicking of the "Features" button (top right)
  • Brighter text for the "display name" and "Scrobbling since" (under profile name) - easier to read
  • Last.fm masthead logo is now white instead of red - fits better with the header design and colour scheme
  • Simple custom image used for header background
  • Subscriber badge colour change to fit better with custom header image
  • Darker text for the Scrobbles, Artists and Loved Tracks titles - slightly more visible

These are just a few small changes I've made to the header with my own userstyle that, in my personal opinion, makes it look a lot cleaner and neater. Of course the header image is the main concern here.

It's just nice to have a version of the header that I'm happy with and have some control over instead of waiting hopelessly for Last.fm to improve it.
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I think I'm rather happy with that faint, almost invisible font - that way I'm forced to squint harder and thus acquaint myself better with my dear laptop screen =)
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I actually think the Top Track thing would look good if it actually showed the artwork for the correct album you've scrobbled the track the most from during the period specified - which goes back to what we've all been saying in that other thread...!
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I like it too. But it rarely shows any artwork on my profile. Sure I could keep changing the time frame for my top tracks, but I like it set to 30 days. Given my options, I'd rather remove it completely.

The missing artwork issue should be such a simple thing to fix - you know, like the header  :)
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That's a very good idea!

The current solution is ugly as fuck.
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Here is no header images, i like it)

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O.O Gimme your Stylish script and the settings you're using, please. This is looking just utterly fabulous.
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My script based on theme - Almost fully customizable Last.fm (author Dante_MS)

it works correctly only with browser window resolution 1270h or wider

Link: http://pastebin.com/B240E1it
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How to use this script?
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You need Stylish extension for firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/?src=external-userstyleshome

1) Download script code and open in Notepad
2) Select all, (Ctrl+A) and copy (Ctrl+C)
3) Now, in browser, go to options and press Create button
4) Paste script code (Ctrl+V)
5) Save


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Thank you very much for sharing your parameters with us! You truly showcase creativity with your personal design ;)
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Thanx :)
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This should be a brand new Last.FM.
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This should be a brand new Last.FM.
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[EDIT]: It's not working, yet, I'm using Google Chrome who is way better than shitty Firefox.
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Hooray! Thank you guys!!!


Can't figure out only one thing: how to edit Listening story
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Try this part of code:

.scrobble-chart .highcharts-container{
filter:invert(88.0%) saturate(0%)!important;
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Worked! :)
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That's a cool background Alex, reminds me of Alan Wake. :)
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Glad you approve of Alex's work, Jon, however is there any chance you could pass my suggestion along to the team (if you haven't already done so) please?
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I am very glad to see, that you appreciated my work :)
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Elliot Robinson Tell me I'm a pessimist, but as James Joul somewhere above mentioned, Jon is probably the only one moderator who wants Last.fm to get better (or at least it seems so) So I don't expect changing the theme, even if it's so pretty and Alan Wake-ish [I also has this association! :) ]

Also, I have to ask: is it any way to add this theme to Chrome? I tried and failed, and it makes me sad as it's phenomenal..
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Elliot Robinson Tell me I'm a pessimist, but as James Joul somewhere above mentioned, Jon is probably the only one moderator who wants Last.fm to get better (or at least it seems so) So I don't expect changing the theme, even if it's so pretty and Alan Wake-ish [I also has this association! :) ]

Also, I have to ask: is it any way to add this theme to Chrome? I tried and failed, and it makes me sad as it's phenomenal..
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I had a chat with our lead designer about foreheaders last week, and he pretty much agrees with all the points raised here.  You're not wrong about the aspect ratio being too narrow for most images (at least on desktop), and as you may have noticed, with each design iteration, the team have made the header smaller and more compact.  So, currently we are considering alternatives (everything from blurring the image to a header-less design), though please understand that it may take some time before you see us move forward on this, as the development team are currently focused on other priorities right now.  

As for uploading custom header images... I can't promise we'll do this, but I'll raise it with the team for consideration.  Keep in mind that a key design principal we want to communicate is that Last.fm is a music website, and that could be at odds with allowing users to upload whatever header image they want. It would also be another thing to moderate, which would require dedicated mod tools and possibly a way to report offensive image as well. It also doesn't solve the problem for catalogue pages either, so it's only a partial fix, rather than addressing the underline cause.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply, Jon. Glad to hear it's being considered. I can appreciate that moderating customised header would be a logistical nightmare, but I personally think even a default Last FM image would be preferable to the forehead plague that currently covers the site!
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When the beta site launched the headers had a much darker gradient. They still didn't look great, but better than what we have now. The recent change in aspect ratio definitely made things worse, even though I prefer the new design overall. 


I've mentioned this before, but maybe you should give users a selection of Last.fm/ music themed images to choose from and then possibly allow Subscribers to upload their own images. I think there should be more incentive to Subscribe. Or of course something I suggested a long time ago which is a collage of album artwork  :)

I understand that custom images can be abused, but for years you let people decorate their sidewall with whatever they wanted. Perhaps that was a mistake and that's why we're now limited to 200 plain text characters... I don't know, you've been silent on that for a year now.

I'm sure you can think of something better than what we currently have. I'm just happy this thread finally got an official reply.
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I'm just happy this thread finally got an official reply.
It's amazing how something so simple can be so beneficial.

Customisation being tied to subscriptions would certainly be a good incentive to sign up. As it currently stands, regardless of your opinion on how well the site looks and operates, the benefits of paying (even a minimal) subscription are arguably non-existent.
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I see  Jon's point that this is a music website, but that's not all that defines us, so being able to express ourselves more would be nice and it would make our pages look unique.

As for the possibility of people posting inappropriate pictures, well it happens with artist images and avatars all the time, so it shouldn't be too hard to add it to the moderation list.
And the best thing would be to get some kind of warning while uploading the photo, that would tell us that in case of uploading something offensive/inappropriate we would be forbiden from uploading anything new for the next three months (or whatever else they find to be a suitable 'punishment').
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled please fix page banners.

it's like a dark forehead gallery every time.

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Option to change 'cover photo' / photo used at top of profile.

I realise more customisation are reportedly on the way. However, in terms of issues with layout of current profile the main issue is that the 'cover photo' at the top just doesn't work. It takes too thin a slice from a picture (is it top artist? top album? random? I can't tell) for it to provide any useful information. Perhaps if there was a fade going down so that more was shown but information ontop remained readable it would be better. Alternatively add ability for people to add banners for artists that people can up vote like with artist photos and use those instead. That's two ideas off the top of my head, I'm sure others can probably think of other and better changes...
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How has this not been fixed yet?
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I'm gonna bump this because I think it would be a popular addition

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let's get rid of all those foreheads =)
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At the very least, let us pick an existing image from an artists gallery to display as our header. That way, any off-topic or inappropriate images can be managed as they are now, and you don't have to moderate people's profiles to make sure they haven't uploaded something bad.
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I'm for this, but the best option would be uploading header photos by clicking upload image on your profile like you can do that on your own YouTube channel. If you can do something like that with your avatars, when why can't you do something like that with header images? What if we want to upload our avatars as header images? What do you think?

P.S. I had to replace my reply because Jon said so.
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I'm so tired of looking at people's foreheads and nostrils.
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I like the automatic header but it's really small so I've edited the Last.FM CSS with a Chrome extension and my profile page looks like this:

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Any news about this?
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Yes! And they are the same as for username change! Lucky you :)