Are we ever getting our charts back?

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On the old site we had

Top 8 Artists
Top 20, 30, 50, etc most played tracks (we had the freedom to choose)
Then we had another chart where we could choose how many of our top artists we wanted to show

Why was all of this customization removed and is it ever coming back? I'm curious as to how removing these features improves the last.fm experience. I don't care that the site is re-designed but there is a problem when you start removing all of the features that made the old site fun.
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Hi there.

Thanks for your feedback, a lot of users like yourself have been asking for more profile customisation and it's certainly something we are taking onboard and considering for future updates.

Just out of interest, can you explain why you would want 2 top artist charts that essentially show the same thing? I'm referring to the top 8 artists on the old site, followed by another top artists chart below that.
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"Can I just add my voice to this thread to say that I too am perplexed that a LastFM representative would have to ask this. It demonstrates that the whole redesign has been done without understanding how people actually use the site."

I bet it's an entirely new team than the one that did the old design. These newcomers have no idea why and what people liked about the old Last.fm. It's no wonder why this redesign looks like crap. They're probably suprised why so many users hate their "masterpiece"...

"The longstanding design was great because it provided so much data at a glance. Now it is laborious to get (just some) of the same data."

You're right. Anyone with some knowledge about usability and design will tell that this new site is inefficient and quite ugly. Even one extra click to do something that could be done easier before is one click too much.

The lack of artists charts on the profile pages is the biggest issue with the new site.
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I think I liked it better when staff ignored questions. Because that reply is pretty damn multiple facepalm/headdesk worthy.
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I know this post was made 2 months ago, but I have to comment because I'm frankly baffled at how blatantly Pbad, a supposed "Official Rep", can completely and utterly MISS THE POINT of their own website.

"Just out of interest, can you explain why you would want 2 top artist charts that essentially show the same thing? I'm referring to the top 8 artists on the old site, followed by another top artists chart below that."

The original poster mentioned the top 8, but that's not the main point that he was making. The main point here is the 20/30/50 artists chart that was below the 8 artist pictures (now 5), or basically the bulk of the music that we listen to. The reason I would want that, and I honestly feel dumb saying this because I thought it would be rather self-explanatory, is that one shows 5 artists...and the other shows 50. You cannot summarize a person's musical tastes in 5 artists. Looking at my current top 5, it gives the impression that I listen to nothing but death metal, which is quite inaccurate. The current 5 artist picture limit is nothing but a pretty-looking formality. It's form over function. In terms of deriving information about a person's general taste in music, it's practically worthless.

That reply from Pbad really just drove home the fact you guys (the Last.fm team) have no idea why the people who visit this site visit it in the first place. It's not for pretty graphics or aesthetics, it's for connecting to others who like similar music and finding new music and your current site makes that almost impractical. I don't want a giant collage of my top 5 artists, I want a text list of my top 50. The 5 used to be a bonus...now it's all we have, and that's a joke if you think it's an adequate replacement to what we used to have.
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I know this post was made 2 months ago, but I have to comment because I'm frankly baffled at how blatantly Pbad, a supposed "Official Rep", can completely and utterly MISS THE POINT of their own website.

"Just out of interest, can you explain why you would want 2 top artist charts that essentially show the same thing? I'm referring to the top 8 artists on the old site, followed by another top artists chart below that."

The original poster mentioned the top 8, but that's not the main point that he was making. The main point here is the 20/30/50 artists chart that was below the 8 artist pictures (now 5), or basically the bulk of the music that we listen to. The reason I would want that, and I honestly feel dumb saying this because I thought it would be rather self-explanatory, is that one shows 5 artists...and the other shows 50. You cannot summarize a person's musical tastes in 5 artists. Looking at my current top 5, it gives the impression that I listen to nothing but death metal, which is quite inaccurate. The current 5 artist picture limit is nothing but a pretty-looking formality. It's form over function. In terms of deriving information about a person's general taste in music, it's practically worthless.

That reply from Pbad really just drove home the fact you guys (the Last.fm team) have no idea why the people who visit this site visit it in the first place. It's not for pretty graphics or aesthetics, it's for connecting to others who like similar music and finding new music and your current site makes that almost impractical. I don't want a giant collage of my top 5 artists, I want a text list of my top 50. The 5 used to be a bonus...now it's all we have, and that's a joke if you think it's an adequate replacement to what we used to have.
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Double-posted and it won't even let me delete my shout. I can't really say I'm surprised...
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I want the visual top chart with the images AND the list of top artists we had previously. Purely because I used the visual one for most played in the last week and the list one for overall top artists. I know I can click through but I loved being able to just visit the my main profile and see both. Unfortutely I'll likely visit less without both of them. I don't see why we can't just have an additional list with top artists like we had before. This is exactly how most people I know who use this site do it. One for top one for 7 days.
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Last.fm will get my full support if they listen to our concerns. However I have a feeling they're hand is being forced and nothing is going to change.
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I want customisation of what my profile looks like. A top 5 forced display of artists and albums is not enough information for me. I loved the snapshot of how the profile was set up previously and customisation was a huge part of that. It makes no sense to take it away. It does feel like they're being forced into this design and the site has been on a downward spiral for a while now. Even those who listen to what the users say may have no say in how the site is managed and we're stuck with this mess of a website.
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Agreed. You said exactly what I would have. Really hope they take this into serious consideration. This is the number one problem IMO.
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I use this the same way as well (I think most people did). Seven days + overall was a powerful combo.
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Though it is at least being asked nicely, it does alarm me that someone from Last.fm would even ask why we want this. As others have observed here, many people used the combination of visual chart + list chart the way xstex describes. And Last.fm staff never noticed this? I guess there are lot of features that have been removed because Last.fm has not even observed the way users use the site. 
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I also used the charts exactly like this, and it was the most interesting and useful part of the site. Not only did I have a long list of my own stats at one glance, I could quickly see others' the same way.

The dual charts need to come back, along with the ability to customize for number and time frame. And, for the love of everything good, in TEXT not pictures!!
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Agreed. I don't mind the image chart, but I also want a text list like we had previously.
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Thanks for making this topic. This is my #1 issue of all issues with the new site. Need a list, not pictures, of WAY more than five top artists in order to use it as a basis of recommendation for artists to check out as well as to determine someone's musical taste. You really think we can tell each other's musical tastes from just five artists?
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Exactly. I have top artists that range from genres but having just the top 5 doesn't show that off.
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Same. I have 3,000 artists in my Last.fm/iTunes. My top 5 doesn't capture all of my taste whatsoever. I don't want to have to dig into every user's page to see what their taste in music is.
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Exactly, top 5 is a joke. I was actually hoping for a top 10 and there's no longer my top 50 artists that people can look at easier. It's now more a hassle.

I couldn't even choose between the last 7 days which i had the text one as or overall. The new layout is just terrible and cumbersome.
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Normally, an update will give you EXTRA features. Here, much-loved features are being taken away!
It's all a shambles. This site, which I have loved so much, which has been part of my everyday life, is committing suicide.
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I've been scrobbling for 12 years.  My top 5 artists will probably never, ever change.  If I can't show the rest, this website no longer serves a purpose.
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Me too. I like displaying them, but only along with other time frames for variety's sake.
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partysmasher

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Great point. Didn't think of that, but you're absolutely right.
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It is impossible to gauge a person's music interest by 5 artists. That is why we need the chart. The library is not a good tool for this because it only displays 10 artists per page because of the artist pictures. So, we need to be able to add 50 top artists to that chart.
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Like many others, I used two charts; a weekly top 8 with pictures and an all-time top 50 chart.  This gave both a short-term and long-term look at music listening habits and looked rather cool to boot.  Now I have a 5 pictures of my top 5 bands, and its just...underwhelming.  If the purpose of this site is for musical stat collection and viewing/sharing of said stats (and for me, it is), why take away any layers of data?  I could see giving users options to hide them and streamline their profile, but taking away data presentation on a site predicated on stats is just nonsensical.
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Yes, which is exactly what I used them for as well. My long-term, 10 year-running musical taste. And then a short-term/recent picture of what I'm listening to.
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We definitely should be able to show more than 5 artists or albums, plus an Top Artist chart like mentioned above.  Also, we should have the option to even show the Top Albums or Top Songs section.  I personally like the new Top Album section, but I know others do not, whereas I personally don't need the Top Songs section, so I would like the have to ability to hide one of those sections.  Some of us listen to albums in their entirety, while others listen to random playlists.  My top songs are always from whatever album I listened to the most, which does not give a good representation of my music taste to others, while those that listen to random artists in a playlist style will likely have a sloppy and disorganized album section.
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chiming in to say this is important to me as well - i had the top 8 pictures of artists listened to in the last 7 days and then a much larger chart (i displayed 50) of top artists from the last 3 months.

the top album section is ok, but i used a collage in the sidebar previously that updated every day and showed a whole lot more albums and their art. i really hope that option to customize a profile page returns as well
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The Top 8 Artists with pictures coupled with the Top 50 Artists in list form is essential, and it's absence is at the very top of my long list of gripes. I, like most, had the Top 8 set to the last week and the Top 50 set to all time, where at a quick glance one could get a good idea of what kind of things I like and what I've been hearing recently. The new (and hopefully temporary) version of just the top 5 artists doesn't paint any kind of picture at all, regardless of how the timeframe is set.

I will say though that the Top Songs section was never a personal favorite of mine, and I could take it or leave it.

The ideal situation, at least for me, would be the Artists section set up the way I and others have mentioned, with the Top 8 in pictures (smaller pictures!) with the Top 50 right below that in the list form, and I would replace the Top Songs section with the Top Albums section in the same format, with a Top 8 albums with pictures (smaller pictures!) and a Top 50 right below it in list form. I think the addition of a Top Albums section is the best idea to come out of this whole mess.

At the very least, all of these sections should be available for customization. If you want Top Artists and Top Songs, great. If you want Top Artists and Top Albums, great. If you want all three, great. The lack of customization of the user profiles is probably in second place on my long list of gripes, as that's one of the many things that made this site special and unique in the first place. I loved seeing people's pages and all the great things they put on them. Now, all the pages look exactly the same except for the name and avatar. I'm not sure who finds that to be appealing but I certainly don't.

I sincerely hope that all of these comments everyone is making are being considered. We're not being negative, we're just saying it like it is. I'd imagine the new layout wouldn't be a problem at all for brand new users with no base of comparison, but it's such a slap in the face to the loyal users who have spent years on here. We love this site, we want to make it better. Help us help you. Please take these things into consideration. Thank you.
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hear hear
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Avenir Luna

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Preach it!
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Thanks for putting this so well. I agree on every point. Would just like to shout out that top tracks chart is something I value highly, but it needn't be on the profile page.
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It would be nice if you could view your library without having to scroll down 1000 pages. I used to be able to see all my overall charts in one place but this new format changes that. Not to mention the new one only shows 7..

I need a bigger monitor if this is not going to change, ugh!!
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As someone who still has a long service industry work history, if so many people pointed out that I had insulted a customer by questioning why they wanted something they wanted, and four days had passed, I would expect to have been required to apologize by now.  I see no apology anywhere in this thread.
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"Sometimes I wonder if the people behind this new beta abortion even know how their own old website worked." -> Last.fm Beta in a nutshell
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There's nothing to "consider" here. Just do it. Especially since the Library view and charts should never have been removed in the first place. It was pretty much the best parts of the profile. No, I don't really give a shit about the 'About me' so many people seem to be going on about. Fuck that shit.
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Surely on a website who's primary function is to collect and to display scobbles, it might be a good idea to... you know... show what we've been scrobbling? The top 5 image is not even close to enough. I'd even argue that the big chart of top artists that we had before was the single most important feature on a users profile page.
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From a closed thread: Last.fm user: "New lastfm is horrid!"  -- Staff: "Not a problem."
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Doesn't seem to be much reply from the official reps!

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