Marina & the Diamonds changed her name

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Hello! Marina and the Diamonds has changed her name to simply "Marina", thus changing all of our stats when we continue to listen to her. I have hundreds of scrobbles by her and many have thousands, so we don't particularly want to manually change them over.Is there any chance you could change our existing scrobbles of this artist to her new name? Thanks!
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Hi Jack. To do this we'd need to create a redirect, which we can't do at the moment: https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/how-do-i-report-an-incorrect-artist-name-on-last-fm

Once we can create redirects, we can direct Marina & the Diamonds to Marina, as it's the same person. She'll obviously be the main artist on the Marina page, so this is most likely the best solution. Unfortunately, there's no ability to  say when that will be.

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Why can't it be done ?
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Because the main precondition for adding new redirections to the catalogue is still rolling out to all users, i.e. the new scrobbles database. When that process is done and showing stable behaviour, fixing old and new redirections will be one of the next tasks for the developers and will take some more time to be finished.
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Will the new database mean that users can redirect artists themselves or do you still need to ask the last.fm staff to do it?
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Lukas Vaickus

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Please change her name, it's ruining my scrobbles...
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Josh H

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When will this be fixed?? It's bugging me too
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Enrico Lamperti

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Shouldn't scrobbles of old songs remain "Marina & the diamonds" though? All new songs/albums may use the new name, but I believe the old ones should preserve the name they used when they were released. It's part of their history! :)
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This isn't how we really work, because we don't have aliases and so this would essentially create two artists with split scrobbles and totals, which nobody wants. So, as Marina and the Diamonds and Marina are both solo projects of Marina Diamandis, they should be on the same page, and will be once we have the facility to do that.
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Will our old scrobbles still show up under the name "Marina & the Diamonds" or will they be renamned to "Marina".

If the latter then  that is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. Just because an artist changes their name doesn't suddenly mean that the old name is now invalid and that material should be renamed!
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Yes, eventually she will be renamed to Marina, when it is possible. I'm sorry you feel that way about that. It's the same project, as she's still the same person. We don't have aliases and it is the logical way to handle it, otherwise the scrobbles would be split between two artist pages forever. We've done the same for countless other artists that changed their name in the past.

Some of the confusion here maybe comes from her old name sounding a lot like a band, giving the impression to some that she's now "went solo". However, this is actually the same case as, for example, Cheryl changing her name from Cheryl Cole (or Cheryl Tweedy), or Lily Allen changing her name to Lily Cooper and back again.

You're welcome to call her by whichever name you like, but a merger is the way Last.fm handles these cases, using the current name.
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If it's simply a redirect, which when we have autocorrect turned off will be ignored then that's a different matter.

Academic though since as soon as I've finished rebuilding my server I'm setting up a local scrobble server so I have full control over my scrobbles. Had my fill of incorrect "corrections" and swathes of missing scrobbles over the past few years.
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Yes, all redirects are not relevant if you switch off autocorrections.
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I’m surprised that people are in a hurry to have this re-direct implemented though. The new artist name is *extremely* generic (there are over 60 different artists named “Marina” in the discogs database, so the profile page is already a mess without a popular artist piling onto it), while at least with “Marina and the Diamonds” you’ll have a clean profile with scrobbles related to just that artist.
Other than that, pretty much every one of her official releases has been credited to “Marina and the Diamonds”; if she is using a different name now then at least wait for at least an album to come out to see if the name change actually sticks on official releases as well (as mentioned, there are already over 60 other artists using the name), before the entire database-entry ends up beyond uncluttering because of a premature redirect.
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I kind of understand your point, but I have to disagree. First, some services (ie. spotify) already changed the artist name to Marina, so even Marina's previous albums now scrobble as Marina, and not as "Marina and the diamonds". So, basically, now it's a mess, because some of Marina's scrobbles will still be under her previous stage name (eg. tracks purchased digitally), while others (eg. those scrobbled from spotify) would be scrobbled under the new name. This, kind of, ruins the statistics. 
The other thing is, (at least as far as I know), Marina did change her name, she did not start a new musical project. So - to me - it feels logical to change the affiliation of her previous albums too, since it's still the same artist, same "project".
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Any update when the name gets changed? 1 week? 1 month? 1 year?
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First, some services (ie. spotify) already changed the artist name to Marina, so even Marina's previous albums now scrobble as Marina, and not as "Marina and the diamonds". 
Well, then that's their error as those albums have NOT been rereleased under her new stage name.
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Well, then that's their error as those albums have NOT been rereleased under her new stage name.
But they are the same person, which for our purposes is enough. We've also redirected artists like Cheryl and Lily Allen when they've changed their name in the past.
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You're missing the point, which is that Spotify have taken it upon themselves to rename her material which was released under the name "Marina and the Diamonds" to just "Marina".

It's one thing for last.fm to implement a redirect, quite another for Spotify to rename material which has not been officially rereleased under the new name - same person or not.
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Well, I'd take that issue up with Spotify, we can't do anything about that here.

You may want to note, though, that the request to rename the material almost certainly came from her representatives, it wouldn't have been a Spotify in-house decision.
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I'm confused on why some people don't want the re-direct. Her past albums scrobble under "Marina" now too so I have split scrobbles and everything is just messy, why would anyone want that? 
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Also see my previous post on the subject. But there are at least 60 other artists called Marina, all of whom may have something to say about using the artist name in the first place. Of course this Marina is by far the most popular one, but there have been numerous examples of popular artists having to change their name because some obscure musician with the same name threatened with legal action (see Santigold, Caribou). As long as she hasn't released anything under her 'new' name I wouldn't automatically assume that it's going to stick, Spotify name change or not.

Furthermore, if last.fm changes the redirect now and it has to be undone, then suddenly you have 60 other Marinas being 'undone' to Marina and the Diamonds along with it. I'd say wait until she at least releases an album under the new name. And even then I'm not in favor of it, because all of her previous releases were released under the old band name anyway. So why would history have to be rewritten everywhere? Spotify naming conventions are damaging enough already to last.fm.
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Furthermore, if last.fm changes the redirect now and it has to be undone, then suddenly you have 60 other Marinas being 'undone' to Marina and the Diamonds along with it.
This is not how redirects work. If a redirect is removed, the scrobbles that were redirected return to the unredirected title. Any scrobble under the artist 'Marina' will only ever redirect to another name if we redirected 'Marina', but we wouldn't do that as it's a shared artist page. We'd only redirect to 'Marina'. You're mistaking the system for a non-reversable merger but we always retain the content of the original scrobble. As for the confusion, feel free to blame the artist.
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I don't like her new name. & the Diamonds was perfect.
I have over 19.000 Marina & the Diamond scrobbles. When I listen with Spotify now it gets split up and that sucks. My heart is bleeding for letting the Diamonds go but I don't want her scrobbles be ruined. So I'm here for the name change.
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Maybe it is already said by someone, I admit I didn't read it all.

But, Marina & the Diamonds will be always the name of the artist of these albums they did under that name. Marina now will be the artist of their following albums.

It is not the first time, like Viet Cong that turned into Preoccupations .
Or Upcdowncleftcrightcabc+Start that turned into Upcdownc .


Artists can change name, not their scrobbles.
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But, Marina & the Diamonds will be always the name of the artist of these albums they did under that name. Marina now will be the artist of their following albums.
We'll be placing a redirect to Marina once we're able to. This is an individual changing their name akin to, for example, Cheryl Cole's change to Cheryl. The majority, and especially those who have Marina as a top artist, do not want her scrobbles split to two artists.

As for Viet Cong, they've changed their name since we lost the ability to add redirections, but I see no reason we wouldn't also redirect them to Preoccupations as it's the same band.

Note that the other music site follows the same practice as us: Here's their page that combines Viet Cong and Preoccupations, and their page for Marina. The difference there is that they have an alias system for specific albums, which we do not have. It's not inconceivable we could eventually have aliases for the catalogue, but that's not in the pipeline at the moment.
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I've been talking about this problem for years let alone now she has changed to Marina. I have 9,000 scrobbles under Marina & the Diamonds and 44,000 under Marina and the Diamonds, with no way of merging the two. Both names have the same stats page, but still, remain separate in my scrobbles listings. So the new stuff under Marina won't even be added to my 44,000 scrobbles.
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I had the same problem scrobbling with "Dinosaur Jr." and "Dinosaur Jr". Eventually i just deleted my scrobbles of the incorrectly tagged artist because simply it was my own fault for scrobbling an incorrectly tagged artist.

We the users should take at least some responsibility for keeping our scrobbles clean rather than scrobbling incorrectly and demanding last.fm to fix it.
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I kept my scrobbles clean. And even if there are some flaws it's no big deal. The problem is that the artist changed the name and the scrobbles from the same artist are now separated under two different names.
I could scrobble them incorrectly with the old name or start scrobbling correctly with the new one but then all my new scrobbles for the artist won't count for Marina & the Diamonds (the old name). My old artist page (over 19.000 scrobbles) would be dead.